I meant in last night's episode. No reference to his other living student at all.
Krillin cleaned up his act way before that. He was crying when he though Roshi killed him in the 21st tournament.
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Krillin cleaned up his act way before that. He was crying when he though Roshi killed him in the 21st tournament.
Krillin always had self-esteemed issues. That is why he wanted to train under Roshi to begin with. He just hid his insecurities under an inferiority-superiority complex, kind of like Vegeta.
I think because he has a closer bond with them. He did practically raised them unlike Yamcha. Also, Yamcha isn't there to get the message.
Just saw it.
- wtf at the rapey joke...
- Ugh at Goku getting trapped. He tried harder to save Hit lol. Likely the problem is they made him too strong for these cliche hero protagonist moments you always see. Way too strong...
- Rawk Hawk! Wonder if that was on purpose, especially his attacks being similar.
- the emotional moment fell flat a bit for me. But others probably enjoyed it.
- NEP looks somewhat interesting but has some bad models it seems.
decent episode overall though.
- wtf at the rapey joke...
- Ugh at Goku getting trapped. He tried harder to save Hit lol. Likely the problem is they made him too strong for these cliche hero protagonist moments you always see. Way too strong...
- Rawk Hawk! Wonder if that was on purpose, especially his attacks being similar.
- the emotional moment fell flat a bit for me. But others probably enjoyed it.
- NEP looks somewhat interesting but has some bad models it seems.
decent episode overall though.
Must have forgotten when the personality switch happened, then.
Aha. Speaking of Krillin, how did he suddenly grow hair? And why was Chiaotzu forever a kid?
Krillin was a monk, so he shaved his hair. After he retired from fighting, he regrew it. Super has shown us that Krillin shaves when he wants to fight like in Resurrection 'F' and in his character episodes before the tournament.
Just saw it.
- wtf at the rapey joke...
- Ugh at Goku getting trapped. He tried harder to save Hit lol. Likely the problem is they made him too strong for these cliche hero protagonist moments you always see. Way too strong...
- Rawk Hawk! Wonder if that was on purpose, especially his attacks being similar.
- the emotional moment fell flat a bit for me. But others probably enjoyed it.
- NEP looks somewhat interesting but has some bad models it seems.
decent episode overall though.
It isn't like we saw what Goku was doing before he went to help Hit.
His feud with Chiaotzu made it seem that he couldn't grow it at all.
It was more Chiaotzu being a hypocrite. Chiaotzu called his 'baldy' when he only have one string of hair.
tearsofash
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turns out master roshi is immortal and actually created the dragon balls and is more powerful than zen-oh
well From what we saw, I just meant Goku went Red to save Hit. While he was SSJ for a while before finally breaking free (as if there was any doubt he could from the start).
It was just funny. And points to him being too strong for these cliche story elements sometimes.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Master Roshi is immortal
Romars202129
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Thinking about it, this episode could have used more subtlety.
Take his 3 opponents after all. First demonstrates his perversions, and that he can surpass them?
Second is the tricky one that highlights how his experience is so valuable.
And then he has a freaking fight against youth itself the way they portray birdman.
Great episode, but wish it wasn't so on the nose.
Take his 3 opponents after all. First demonstrates his perversions, and that he can surpass them?
Second is the tricky one that highlights how his experience is so valuable.
And then he has a freaking fight against youth itself the way they portray birdman.
Great episode, but wish it wasn't so on the nose.
The entire episode was a minute, meaning Goku was Super Saiyan for only a few seconds. But I do see your point.
One hair is better than no hair 😏
Though more seriously, Chiaotzu was a colossal dick.
Raijin_Cain
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Is anyone else bothered that U7 seems to be breezing through everything when they were supposed to be the second weakest universe?
It feels like the fights should be harder. I understand that every universe has his Yamcha but if they are stronger than U7 they should have shown up (besides Jiren - who hasn't really done anything).
It feels like the fights should be harder. I understand that every universe has his Yamcha but if they are stronger than U7 they should have shown up (besides Jiren - who hasn't really done anything).
oh I had stopped paying attention to that timer thing...
Soon only the strong guys remain, which means goodbye Roshi, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, perhaps even in just one episode. It's going to go down quickly I think.
Yeah, would have been a fitting ending for him. Oh well, great episode regardless.
Actually, might be one of the only episodes that I've enjoyed in this arc so far lol.
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Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Now Anime Goku is stealing Manga Trunks' moves. Nobody is safe from the Goku Show.
Roshi has trapping techniques and hypnosis and all that lust. Truly a terrifying being.
Roshi has trapping techniques and hypnosis and all that lust. Truly a terrifying being.
Raijin_Cain
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Yes, maybe. I enjoyed this latest episode immensely (for no other reason that it shows a fighter winning by being smart instead of pure brute force) but I find the fights so far to be kinda weak,
Hopefully it gets better soon.
For the love of....Goku used his ki to restart Roshi's heart. It's the exact same thing Piccolo did with Gohan in Resurrection 'F' and what he tried to do to revived Goku in Episode 72 and how Goku restarted his own heart when Hit killed. It's nothing like what Future Trunks did in the manga. And even if it was, Manga Trunks would have ripped off Piccolo.
They never said that U7 was the second weakest.
Mortal level does not stand for power level.
That's what happens when you spend a few years training in your backyard with a Power Level 1 tortoise.
Emperor_Uriel
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Was definitely not expecting a Master Roshi episode to be way better than most of the warm-up fights so far.
The fact that they stayed true to his resolve and gave him two real fights is pretty impressive. Since every bit of drama in this arc feels fake, character development episodes like this one are as good as it gets.
The fact that they stayed true to his resolve and gave him two real fights is pretty impressive. Since every bit of drama in this arc feels fake, character development episodes like this one are as good as it gets.
Raijin_Cain
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Are you sure? I remember distinctly they saying that.
Or am I confusing it and they meant something else.
Please explain
Bobo Dakes
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Yeah, try that one with cops.
They should have more than one fight going on at once.
Each of these scenarios only lasts one episode each time.
So with 2 minutes to go, you know it's about to end. Same with Hit's episode and so on.
It removes some of the tension and mystery when you know no matter what, the fight is about to end.
Just have multiple storylines at once and cut to them. Hit could've lasted 3 episodes in parts, and gohan's could've been 2.
It feels too episodic atm
Each of these scenarios only lasts one episode each time.
So with 2 minutes to go, you know it's about to end. Same with Hit's episode and so on.
It removes some of the tension and mystery when you know no matter what, the fight is about to end.
Just have multiple storylines at once and cut to them. Hit could've lasted 3 episodes in parts, and gohan's could've been 2.
It feels too episodic atm
ningen level does not seem to be related to power level
it may be some kind of spiritual level or something
in some supplementary material they said that at least one of the non-participating universes has ningen that are energy beings or something I think
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https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/898246177409216512
They never explicitly married power level with mortal level.
It should be abundantly clear that U7 is a high tier universe as far as their most powerful fighters at this post. Where they may be low tier is a lot of their civilizations have been wiped out. They aren't as developed and prosperous as maybe some others.
Emperor_Uriel
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I think the logic was that U7 has the second lowest average "Mortal Level," which means that your average power level out of all of the inhabitants of U7 is lower than that of most other universes. Any random person from U11 would be very likely beat the ever living crap out of any random person from U7, basically.
Of course, it's all BS because the tournament would never include anyone who isn't an extreme outlier to begin with. It has zero bearing on the actual teams if U4's average power level is way higher than that of U7, yet they still have no outliers that are stronger than those from U7.
Raijin_Cain
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Yes, I think that too. Thats why it was weird how easy it has been so far.
I guess I understood it wrong them.
Thanks for all the replies.
Power level seem to have some effect on mortal level since the Grand Priest said Zen'o was surprised that mortals from the lower universes had such strong fighters. It's probably just one factor out of many and remember.
Also, everyone on the U7 team are outlier. For decades, the strongest being in the universe was Namek Saga Frieza and the Ginyu Force was the elite of the universe. It was only in the last two decades that the power levels starting going up for the outliers.
LSauchelli
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Goku has shown to be able to heal before. He did the same to Freeza, back in Namek. It's just transferring his ki. Plus that desfilbilartor thing we know he has.
I wonder about how he healed Roshi, it looked like he transfered God Ki in the end.
I wonder about how he healed Roshi, it looked like he transfered God Ki in the end.
ArchedThunder
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Dude, Cross Epoch is years old.
angelic
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It absolutely isn't, if it was power level, it would be called power level. The most clear demonstration that mortal level = enlightenment level is Universe 9. The GoD was morally weak, the Kai was a scumbag, and the universe was portrayed (and outright called it by themselves) as being brutish and rough (during the Freeza recruitment, amongst other times)...hence they were bottom of the league table. It's even more blatantly enlightenment level down to how much of DB is based on Buddhist philosophy, the ultimate goal of which is enlightenment..not power.
tl;dr - mortal level = enlightenment level, not power.
TeamLeftMatch
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KojiKnight
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I mean... I don't think he knows anyones name on the team aside from Goku and Vegeta. "Hey Goku's kid!"
There's Kri-errr Turillin.
Baleoce
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That's true, he pretty much just knows Goku and Vegeta xD He really doesn't care about superfluous information, like someone else said.
Galactic Barret
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I echo your thoughts exactly. Such a great callback.As someone who have much more nostalgia for OG Dragon Ball than Z, seeing the lullaby technique and hearing him say the Turtle way again send me chills. I love how much fan service there is for OG DB fans in Super.
He also knows Frieza's name. Everyone else, yeah...
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