The Silver
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Will Super ever give me a moment where Sean can surpass his 10 hour SSJ3 scream? I need this to happen.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
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iirc Sean said he destroyed his voice doing the SSB Kaioken scene.
Fulminator
Member
didnt he pass out during the ss3 scream though? or was that BoG
schemmel does good scream
schemmel does good scream
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
According to his interview he passed out when he was doing SSJ4.
Fulminator
Member
According to his interview he passed out when he was doing SSJ4.
oh really
i have to watch that scene again
My only response as well lol
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
I think there's a reason no one ever complains about Goku sounding completely different than the Japanese version in any other foreign language dub.
Vermillion
Banned
Lmfao
There's still hope for later on in this arc. Doesn't Goku yell a lot when he finds out Black kills Chichi /Goten in another timeline?
he passed out during the SS3 scream too
That dedication. Kai or OG dub?
roflwaffles
Member
I agree with you (although Nozawa's Black is really good) but I feel like people will rip you apart for this (unjustly).
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
Just found some great videos!
Someone been modifying some scene with the original music AND Sfx! (he also added some of the old scream where Nozawa had clearly more punch in her voice)
Son Goku Ultra Instinct VS Jiren
Mystic Gohan VS Son Goku
Vegeta VS Black Goku
That definitely add more intensity IMO (especially the SFX of some punches)
Someone been modifying some scene with the original music AND Sfx! (he also added some of the old scream where Nozawa had clearly more punch in her voice)
Son Goku Ultra Instinct VS Jiren
Mystic Gohan VS Son Goku
Vegeta VS Black Goku
That definitely add more intensity IMO (especially the SFX of some punches)
The more I think about it, the more I love the concept of Ultra Instinct. It's the most revolutionary Saiyan transformation since the first SSJ. I would have loved to see it more effective against Jiren but alas, I am sure they'll redeem it.
But they wrote themselves into a corner because I can't see how they eclipse this power up without being completely nonsensical. Meaning, ToP is probably the final arc of Super.
But they wrote themselves into a corner because I can't see how they eclipse this power up without being completely nonsensical. Meaning, ToP is probably the final arc of Super.
Or they're looking to change the structure slightly and give Goku, Vegeta, and maybe Gohan their own new unique forms.
It's reaching the point where it's that or just get silly.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I didn't know there were two Ultra Instinct Dokkan cards.
Sign of a New Form
Goku (Ultra Instinct "Omen")
Sign of a New Form
Goku (Ultra Instinct "Omen")
An arc focusing on Vegeta? Talk about losing interest in DB.
And Gohan is not that much better. He already has mystic. Personally, I'd rather them focus on Gotenks, Pan and Uub but I am not sure if the fanbase are ready for that.
The point is unless they want to start diversifying power sets there's only so much further they can go. Maybe this is the end and we're about to see a final arc, maybe they want to keep going for another few years and keep getting rich off it.
You said it yourself, if they want to do the latter they can't continue in this way without it turning to nonsense. I agree with you 100% on that, I've said it like a dozen times in this thread.
ArchedThunder
Banned
There is never a limit to how strong characters can be in Dragon Ball, after this arc we'll have a new villain or enemy that is even stronger/better. Ultra Instinct Goku is probably still much weaker than all of the angels.
If this is the last arc of Super it's not because Goku's too strong, it's because it'll just be replaced with a sequel.
ArchedThunder
Banned
He'd just be a giant target.
SnowFlakeCake
Member
I know hur durr GT and all but was Golden Oozaru not stronger than SSJ4? Vegeta had control of that form which was indeed cool and differentiated him from the rest, shit did not last too long when the tubby dude cut his tail off though in the earlier arc. 
The whole point of the supporting characters is to make Goku look good, Vegeta does that very well because the writers always realise they need someone around Goku's power to get beaten, to make Goku's eventual win look half decent.
It's what Toriyama has done for 30 years, nothing is going to change. The past year Goku has gone well past Vegeta, but the writers will correct that off screen in 1 episode. Toriyama did not even waste screen time showing Vegeta going SSJ Blue for the first time, he's just gonna rock up in an episode and go UI like it's nothing.
Only way that won't be the case is if another character can take his place. But Vegeta is a popular charter, second to Goku. Hit or Jiren won't do it because they are shit, can't think of anyone else worth half a penny besides them.
The whole point of the supporting characters is to make Goku look good, Vegeta does that very well because the writers always realise they need someone around Goku's power to get beaten, to make Goku's eventual win look half decent.
It's what Toriyama has done for 30 years, nothing is going to change. The past year Goku has gone well past Vegeta, but the writers will correct that off screen in 1 episode. Toriyama did not even waste screen time showing Vegeta going SSJ Blue for the first time, he's just gonna rock up in an episode and go UI like it's nothing.
Only way that won't be the case is if another character can take his place. But Vegeta is a popular charter, second to Goku. Hit or Jiren won't do it because they are shit, can't think of anyone else worth half a penny besides them.
Can't see how they can top Ultra Instinct tbh unless just getting more raw power.
Doesn't have to be going Great Ape exactly, but being able to tap into a primal Saiyan power that can only be controlled by those who could use Great Ape in full control. That way it would be off limits to Goku and Gohan at least.
Maybe it could be in a book on Planet Salad, which those Saiyans can't use because they've lost their tails over time?
I certainly would hate it but very obviously by transforming while using the mode...
He ll get white hair.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Lets not kid ourselves: That's practically all Gokus transformations are, more power and speed, even if they dress it up in nonsensical ideas and a new colour to justify it, "god ki" lol
Like Nozawa, but I do mostly agree. While I love her Black, her Goku is 'meh' to me outside of a few scenes.
Super Saiyan 4.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Its almost like Goku is the main character and Vegeta isn't...
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I've always wanted Vegeta to have his own forms. Like different variations on Super Saiyan.at least.
Linkstrikesback
Member
OOR the three wishes are to bring back all erased people in one universe. Limit all power levels to original DB levels and host another tournament!
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Amazing special, perhaps one of my fav moments in DB history. I loved Beerus' reactions and the animations, audio editing and music, while I can't understand what they're doing with Vegeta to be honest. The "demonic voice" was so out of nowhere yet freakin' awesome.
The hype is so high now that I also decided to give a shot at the manga and I'm positively surprised, seems more balanced and not a "Goku gets everything" show, although some stuff is pure bullshit imho (e.g.
). It makes me hope that they've a plan for Vegeta in the anime as well because so far he's been treated unfairly.
The hype is so high now that I also decided to give a shot at the manga and I'm positively surprised, seems more balanced and not a "Goku gets everything" show, although some stuff is pure bullshit imho (e.g.
Goku performing Hakai..?
The manga is much more Goku focused I thought?
"The Future Trunks Arc"
Glad you're enjoying Super content though, welcome aboard!
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
NeonZ
Member
I don't think it's really that clear. Goku's role in the first half of the arc is much smaller than in the anime. He never faces present Zamasu or even Black before he fuses with Future Zamasu. but then he takes over for the final battle.
And part of the blame there comes from Toriyama himself. "Trunks arc" and yet no power up for Trunks? The anime staff gave him a new transformation to allow him to keep up, which was a good choice, but even then you can see how they were held back by Toriyama's outline (like not even naming or explaining the transformation and the characters barely acknowledging it, in order to pretend that they weren't making a big deviation of their own, and then there was that one episode where Future Zamasu was talking like he was stronger than Trunks post-power up).
Poor Green Dad. He tries his best.