Dragon's Crown Reviews

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You know what amazes me the most. Most reviews aren't mentioning the lack of voice chat in this game. How is this even possible in this day and age? That's why I'm not buying this game. That to me is the biggest sin of it.
 
PsychoRaven said:
You know what amazes me the most. Most reviews aren't mentioning the lack of voice chat in this game. How is this even possible in this day and age? That's why I'm not buying this game. That to me is the biggest sin of it.
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use skype or something

edit: is kinda dumb it doesn't have it though I guess
 
PsychoRaven said:
You know what amazes me the most. Most reviews aren't mentioning the lack of voice chat in this game. How is this even possible in this day and age? That's why I'm not buying this game. That to me is the biggest sin of it.
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Something something Dark Souls, Journey..
 
Other sites are banned here for much, much less.

Polygon reviews are bullshit, i start to think they do it at porpuse to get all the clicks.
 
Vire said:
The gameplay looks appealing to me and I actually just finished my backlog worth of games, so im eyeing a few things to play. I can possibly look past the questionable things I disagree with if its fun.

I haven't changed my stance on the characters of the game, but I understand why people are excited to play this.
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Me too and I understand why some would find it offensive. It seems like it'll be a great time sink for a rather empty Summer apart from TLOU.

And hey, if you don't want to see jiggly jugs just play one of the male characters or the Elf.
 
Vire said:
That was not intentional, all I did was a google image search and I chose one that I saw someone had an avatar of. The actual game looks no different in its character design.

And yes that picture is much more respectful. Shame the actual game isn't portrayed that way.

My point wasn't that the person drawing the characters was without talent. He clearly has some, and the worlds and environments behind the characters are beautiful.
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That picture is also from Dragon's Crown, BTW.

Vire said:
I have not unfortunately, is there going to be a demo or trial at all for this game?
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I wouldn't expect a demo. Vanillaware games usually don't get them, but I hope this one does.
 
Vire said:
That was not intentional, all I did was a google image search and I chose one that I saw someone had an avatar of. The actual game looks no different in its character design.

And yes that picture is much more respectful. Shame the actual game isn't portrayed that way.

My point wasn't that the person drawing the characters was without talent. He clearly has some, and the worlds and environments behind the characters are beautiful.
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I still don't understand how large breasts are disrespectful.
 
Jacksonlee said:
then reviews are not professional. they are merely thought pieces, blogs, something that anyone can come up with. (it was a seriously post , btw)

when sites that dedicate and cater to the masses such as Polygon give a score that is heavily influenced by personal distaste, it's doing a disservice to the readers.

i'd like to think that reviewing is a career - something that takes time, talent (in going beyond your own tastes) and effort.

if everything be opnions and how it feels, reviewers be damned. what's the point?
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Well, of course anyone can come up with a review. Websites don't hire people because they divine the real nature of a videogame, they hire them because they think they are good writers that can attract a readership.

Like I said, if reviews go beyond "your own tastes", then every game has a "true" score it "deserves." This is, of course, utter nonsense, just as it would be for every movie, every album, every book, etc. All criticism is subjective.

The only thing a critic can do is be honest about their experience and translate that experience into writing. You can choose not to read them or disregard them, but as long as they are honest they are doing their job.
 
PsychoRaven said:
You know what amazes me the most. Most reviews aren't mentioning the lack of voice chat in this game. How is this even possible in this day and age? That's why I'm not buying this game. That to me is the biggest sin of it.
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Buy the vita version - cross game chat.
 
IHaveCandy said:
I still don't understand how large breasts are disrespectful.
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There's a difference between large and ones that are melons three times the size of a characters head, jiggling all over.

But we have belabored that point enough. Lets move on and agree to disagree.
 
Vire said:
There's a difference between large and ones that are melons three times the size of a characters head, jiggling all over.

But we have belabored that point enough. Lets move on and agree to disagree.
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Why wouldn't they jiggle all over? o.O
 
Vire said:
The gameplay looks appealing to me and I actually just finished my backlog worth of games, so im eyeing a few things to play. I can possibly look past the questionable things I disagree with if its fun.

I haven't changed my stance on the characters of the game, but I understand why people are excited to play this.


They aren't small first off, secondly it's about the tone and elegance of the composition.
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Relatively speaking they are most definitely small, but can you please explain what about the tone or elegance makes it more appropriate? And please explain it to me like I'm an idiot because I'm still completely dumbfounded by this whole boobs issue and what makes something distasteful and what makes something, as you put it, elegant.
 
Vire said:
There's a difference between large and ones that are melons three times the size of a characters head, jiggling all over.

But we have belabored that point enough. Lets move on and agree to disagree.
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I know it's a complete faux pas to compare reality with art, but...

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Shosai said:
You're comparing a state of being to a conscious act of artistic expression. I really hope you can tell the difference.
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Of course I can. And it's still completely valid. You don't have to limit the artistic representation of women to a maximum cup size, especially when extremely large breasted women exist in real life. Large breasts are not offensive in real life, so why should they be in art?
 
Funny thing is, if this released back in 1996 or something, no one would give a shit and the whole "super big tit" issue would be considered more humorless than offensive.

It's like we're moving backwards. The amount of bleeding heart PC sensitives among us is borderline embarrassing.

Im not talking about anyone specifically in here, but this whole fiasco is just a prime example of "Everyone needs to chill the fuck out."

It's a video game for christs sake.
 
Andrew. said:
Funny thing is, if this released back in 1996 or something, no one would give a shit and the whole "super big tit" issue would be considered more humorless than offensive.

It's like we're moving backwards. The amount of bleeding heart PC sensitives among us is borderline embarrassing.

Im not talking about anyone specifically in here, but this whole fiasco is just a prime example of "Everyone needs to chill the fuck out."

It's a video game for christs sake.
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My brother
 
IncandescentPrecept said:
Nobody has anything to say about the male characters?
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Of course not, that would bring about common sense and rational discussion. As you can see, there's no need for that here, apparently.
Andrew. said:
Funny thing is, if this released back in 1996 or something, no one would give a shit and the whole "super big tit" issue would be considered more humorless than offensive.

It's like we're moving backwards. The amount of bleeding heart PC sensitives among us is borderline embarrassing.

Im not talking about anyone specifically in here, but this whole fiasco is just a prime example of "Everyone needs to chill the fuck out."

It's a video game for christs sake.
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Pretty much summed up my thoughts on this whole thing.
 
IncandescentPrecept said:
Nobody has anything to say about the male characters?
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Knight is a hottie without his helmet and is this towering presence that reminds me of the Tower Knight from Demons Souls. The way his upper body billows out of his torso to loom over his own frame is incredible. The
minotaur
boss takes THAT aesthetic to an even further extreme, and he's even completely nude!

Dwarf's walk cycle is fantastic - he's like a version of the Golden Axe dwarf that exploded and was cross-bred with Yosemite Sam.

The wizard is the most boring character design Vanillaware has ever done.
 
Andrew. said:
Funny thing is, if this released back in 1996 or something, no one would give a shit and the whole "super big tit" issue would be considered more humorless than offensive.

It's like we're moving backwards. The amount of bleeding heart PC sensitives among us is borderline embarrassing.

Im not talking about anyone specifically in here, but this whole fiasco is just a prime example of "Everyone needs to chill the fuck out."

It's a video game for christs sake.
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Right and video games have done this for years on end, I'm not saying Dragon Crown is the exception, but id like to think video games have progressed more as an art form since 1996.

I think TLOU was one of the best representations of female characters ever between Tess, Marlene and Ellie.
 
Vire said:
Right and video games have done this for years on end, I'm not saying Dragon Crown is the exception, but id like to think video games have progressed more as an art form since 1996.
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I weep for you if you can't see the progress of games as a visual and technical medium in Dragon's Crown.
 
Vire said:
There's a difference between large and ones that are melons three times the size of a characters head, jiggling all over.

But we have belabored that point enough. Lets move on and agree to disagree.
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Do you not think there are some women that have breasts the size of the Sorceress? I don't get why being larger than the head is disrespectful. Are eyes larger than mouths in animes disrespectful too? Are noses smaller than fingernails disrespectful? Are muscles larger than heads disrespectful? I think the problem is that you haven't thought about the point enough, not too much. You've simply said "Those breasts are big. How disrespectful." In order for there to be disrespect, you have to assume a lot of things. You have to assume the creator is saying women not fitting that image are somehow less valuable or innately worse because of it. You have to assume the creator thinks that is what women should look like. You have to assume the creator thinks women should try and look like that. There is no reason to think any of these assumptions are true in regards to the Sorceress. Her large breasts are rather innocuous.
 
I don't get why the polygon reviewer is being criticized for complaining that she personally found the art style off-putting. It's her opinion, if you disagree with her that's fine but acting like she has lost credibility or integrity for sharing her own views in her review is a bit silly to say the least.
 
Vire said:
There's a difference between large and ones that are melons three times the size of a characters head, jiggling all over.

But we have belabored that point enough. Lets move on and agree to disagree.
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So is this disrespectful?

http://www.hdwallpapers3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/131022-christina-hendricks.jpg

Why can't a woman just be comfortable without fear of being classified as being classy or trashy, innocent or slutty etc.

Why is it that this

http://www.desktopas.com/files/2013...-Flexing-his-bi-ceps-Wallpaper-1024-x-768.jpg

Is seen as totally fine, acceptable, a sign of empowerment, good health, etc

and this

http://inappropriatebunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/jordan-carver-topless.jpg

is seen as being objectified, trashy, and a whole multitude of other negative connotations that only get thrown at women who express their sexuality. Oh and your welcome.
 
I'd be more forgiving if they did loot and difficulties in a more tolerable fashion. What you have here is especially bad. Dragon's Crown is hard-locking me into the worst possible playthrough, twice to thrice over. It is exaggerating these flaws and holding the good game behind hours of work (especially considering these areas are only new once and they want me to play it three+ times!)

Consider, for example, that in Kid Icarus: Uprising there was a very heavy loot component and a wide range of easy to hard modes (including brain-dead easy), but I still managed to like that game quite a bit. There are aspects of this I'm against on principle, but with the way you spent/gamble currency to access higher difficulties straight away and the way you could quickly get yourself on level (through loot) with the higher difficulties by simply upping the difficulty every stage made for a much more enjoyable game (even if I had to tinker with it, which I hate doing). A system like Kid Icarus is just far more palatable than this crazy grinding scenario. It is really fraudulent to call this a 40+ hour game (the desire of which is alone questionable). New game+ gone mad.

The rough part is saying no to the "real game" locked away even though I may like it to some extent.

Tain said:
State of the belt scroll! Imagine if this genre had a following similar in volume to the "we need oldschool" FPS movement, lol.
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What do you mean, Tain? I'm sure there are dozens of indie pixel chiptune rogue-like metroidvania action-rpg btmups to explore through at your local direct downloadable console service.
 
You all are focusing on the two main character designs when the Polygon review's problem is a broader game wide issue. It really isn't just "those breasts are big!"

The same can't be said for the female NPCs that fill Dragon's Crown's dungeons and other environments. Most of the women in the game are barely clothed, with heaving chests, backs twisted into suggestive positions, some with their legs spread almost as wide as the screen. They're presented as helpless objects, usually in need of rescue. It's obvious, one-sided and gross.
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CraftySkills said:
So is this disrespectful?

http://www.hdwallpapers3d.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/131022-christina-hendricks.jpg

Why can't a woman just be comfortable without fear of being classified as being classy or trashy, innocent or slutty etc.

Why is it that this

http://www.desktopas.com/files/2013...-Flexing-his-bi-ceps-Wallpaper-1024-x-768.jpg

Is seen as totally fine, acceptable, a sign of empowerment, good health, etc

and this

http://inappropriatebunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/jordan-carver-topless.jpg

is seen as being objectified, trashy, and a whole multitude of other negative connotations that only get thrown at women who express their sexuality. Oh and your welcome.
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I think you are conflating the issue.

I don't have a problem with Christina Hendricks having incredible breasts.

I have a problem with AMC exploiting her TNA as the sole reason she is on Mad Men. (Not entirely true but just the analogy)

The breasts aren't the issue, the intent and purpose are. Hint: sad pandering fan service.
 
I just preordered Dragon's Crown. I didn't expect the reviews to be this good and the game seems really cool. The negatives seem mostly focused on particular social issues rather than the actual quality of the game. Got hype.
 
Acquiescence said:
So at what page did this stop being a review thread and start becoming another Dragon's Crown Sorceress' Titties thread?
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1.


This thread was made specifically for the Polygon review.


Good. Keep it out of the OT....but honestly I don't know what else there is to say...like I am sure a bunch of things said here have been said in the previous threads.

I'm just glad its out and maybe there will be a new poster boy for this...that probably will be a poor choice too tho
 
Acquiescence said:
So at what page did this stop being a review thread and start becoming another Dragon's Crown Sorceress' Titties thread?
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I think people were bothered by the fact that they, er, it was made a big deal within some of the reviews. Thread was doomed from the start.
 
PairOfFilthySocks said:
Nothing says 'progressive society' like trying to suppress artists. GG Polygon. Keep chasing that dream of having integrity.
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lmao. Who's trying to suppress artists? The reviewer said she didn't like it. dat supression
 
Andrew. said:
Funny thing is, if this released back in 1996 or something, no one would give a shit and the whole "super big tit" issue would be considered more humorless than offensive.

It's like we're moving backwards. The amount of bleeding heart PC sensitives among us is borderline embarrassing.

Im not talking about anyone specifically in here, but this whole fiasco is just a prime example of "Everyone needs to chill the fuck out."

It's a video game for christs sake.
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BOOM.
 
Urgh...so much double standards.


I'd rather the reviewer just imagine the sprites as hitboxes and review the gameplay.


Anyway, Polygon will be Polygon. I've never clicked on their website and will never give them any hits. That Microsoft taint is just too much.
 
ultron87 said:
You all are focusing on the two main character designs when the Polygon review's problem is a broader game wide issue. It really isn't just "those breasts are big!"
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Are the male characters also asking for help thought as "helpless objects"? I often find "object" to be such a lazy argument. Every NPC that has no agency is nothing more than a plot-forwarding "object" regardless if it's asking for your help because it is the King or a sexy woman trying to seduce you for help.
 
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