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DualSense has less latency than Xbox Controller
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onesvenus
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The video says it's the 120FPS mode so half of that: between 66 and 80 ms.
The difference between the dualsense and the Xbox controller is 25ms.
Anyway, we should wait for proper measurements. I'd say the dualsense will be faster than the Xbox controller again but those timings don't make sense. Looking at the past gen controllers average latency, it looks like the dualsense and xbox controller are 35 ms and 55 ms slower than their previous gen counterparts. That doesn't seem likely at all.
MaxwellParrish
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I think you have duplicate his frames of latency. Aren't 10 frames at 120 around 80ms ? And he is counting the input latency WITH the added latency of the screen, while I'm sure your other numbers have subtracted it
The_Mike
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Impressive. But if console players can't tell the difference between 30 60 or 120 fps then I doubt they can feel the difference between a few milliseconds
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Nope mouse and keyboard always win sorry.
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PharaoTutAnchAmun
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You are triggered and you are dead wrong....he is a Nintendo fanboy
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Black_Stride
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His methodology is so confusing.
He is playing on a 60Hz display.
He records at 120fps.
He places the footage in a 24fps timeline.
Then counts the frames?
Yeah imma wait for someone else to do this.
But i think the topic still stands the DualSense should have lower latency than the XSX.
recursive
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What?
Hezekiah
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At least that Xbox vid doesn't have any tearing in it.
diffusionx
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MS did reduce the lag though right? It’s not false advertising if the lag is reduced.
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Microsoft showcases new low-latency, cross-compatible Xbox Series X controller
As Microsoft's next-gen console gets closer to launch, it is starting to open up about the design and features of the Xbox Series X (XSX). As is...
www.techspot.com
LordOfChaos
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Isn't the "low latency marketing" just ALLM which turns game mode on your TV?
TBiddy
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This. And he even says in the original video that it's not a scientific way to test it.
The premise for this thread is ridiculous.
mckmas8808
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I agree with this. But interesting none the less.
a multicultural team of v
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Pretty sure that wireless for the PS4 was actually better than wired, for whatever reason.
Black_Stride
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Its actually an all encompassing number of things that fall into their Lower (than XB1) latency spiel.
And yes ALLM is one of those things.
Not that at no point do they even mention being faster than the competition they were/are simply trying to reduce latency versus themselves.
Which they have achieved.....but since everything is about wars and what not we need to bash them for achieving what they set out to do but not achieving enough for whoever it is that notices this latency difference.
LordOfChaos
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Its actually an all encompassing number of things that fall into their Lower (than XB1) latency spiel.
And yes ALLM is one of those things.
Not that at no point do they even mention being faster than the competition they were/are simply trying to reduce latency versus themselves.
Which they have achieved.....but since everything is about wars and what not we need to bash them for achieving what they set out to do but not achieving enough for whoever it is that notices this latency difference.
Ah, thanks. Must not have seen this.
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This is the Xbox moto.
Kuranghi
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My flatmate was playing a game on his PC yesterday with, I'm guessing, upwards of 250ms of input lag on the right stick. It was Dying Light and I kept watching him miss jumps when running and I was like wtf, you were way better at this game the first time you played it.
Then I had a go of it (to test out his new wired controller) and I was like "ohhhhhhhhh.... now I understand" lol. Most people just put up with it and then get used to it and this was BAD: when you nudged the right stick it actually returned to centre before there was even any movement on screen, I would NOT play many slower genres of games like that, let alone a FPS with fast paced parkour movement lol.
Anyway, my point is that he's massively enjoying his 3rd playthrough of a game he loves and even a completely fucked control feeling doesn't bother him, he's having fun, just like we all did when we were boys and girls.
TL;DR - This doesn't matter a fuck one way or the other because there are so many other factors involved that add way more input lag. Controller and screen lag isn't worth losing sleep over, everything you buy is much more than "good enough" these days. If you don't play MP games then go back to sleep on this issue, your Xbox's honour is safe.
The FGC used to have tournaments on 100+ms LCDs right when they switched over from CRTs because that was the best you could get at the time. If they could compete in a fudging FG with these sorts of figures (Thats just the screen lag as well, without the controller or game lag added), then 20ms for your screen and 50-60ms from your controller won't bother 90% of gaming-(wo)men. Especially when lots of SP games have literally 100s of ms of internal lag on top due to fancy animation systems like in RDR 2 or Jedi: Fallen Order.
Then I had a go of it (to test out his new wired controller) and I was like "ohhhhhhhhh.... now I understand" lol. Most people just put up with it and then get used to it and this was BAD: when you nudged the right stick it actually returned to centre before there was even any movement on screen, I would NOT play many slower genres of games like that, let alone a FPS with fast paced parkour movement lol.
Anyway, my point is that he's massively enjoying his 3rd playthrough of a game he loves and even a completely fucked control feeling doesn't bother him, he's having fun, just like we all did when we were boys and girls.
TL;DR - This doesn't matter a fuck one way or the other because there are so many other factors involved that add way more input lag. Controller and screen lag isn't worth losing sleep over, everything you buy is much more than "good enough" these days. If you don't play MP games then go back to sleep on this issue, your Xbox's honour is safe.
The FGC used to have tournaments on 100+ms LCDs right when they switched over from CRTs because that was the best you could get at the time. If they could compete in a fudging FG with these sorts of figures (Thats just the screen lag as well, without the controller or game lag added), then 20ms for your screen and 50-60ms from your controller won't bother 90% of gaming-(wo)men. Especially when lots of SP games have literally 100s of ms of internal lag on top due to fancy animation systems like in RDR 2 or Jedi: Fallen Order.
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Well if one guy on the internet posted a YouTube video about it, it must be true. I also heard that ps5 is 20TF monster that has ssd speeds that complely change the game. Plus there are no xbox games. Oh ya, and Cerny said it was amazing, so it is. This place is mind blowing sometimes.
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Oh and you forgot it has RDNA3.
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MasterCornholio
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Cerny must have done something right if the PS5 is putting up a great fight with a vastly more powerful system.
yurinka
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Well, DualShock 4 already had less input lag than the XBO pad, and MS said the XSX pad uses the same tech than the XBO pad. DualSense (or at least PS5) uses Bluetooth 5.1 and USB 3.2 gen 2.
BT 5.1 and USB 3.2 gen 2 are way faster and have way less latency than the BT 2.1 and USB 3.1 gen 1 that Dual Shock 4, so the input lag difference between DualSense and XBX pad should be bigger than the one seen in DS4 vs XBO pad.
BT 5.1 and USB 3.2 gen 2 are way faster and have way less latency than the BT 2.1 and USB 3.1 gen 1 that Dual Shock 4, so the input lag difference between DualSense and XBX pad should be bigger than the one seen in DS4 vs XBO pad.
How about waiting for a reliable test ?
Starstruck
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Oh, come on
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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That's weird as there was 8ms reported throughout the life of Xbox One wireless controllers.
For Series X it is officially noted as 2ms, yes wireless.
Soon there will be a firmware update for Xbox One controllers to use DLI, just like Series X/S does and input scanning will be even more frequent resulting in less ms latency again.
I'd wait for something specialist testing on this one, clearly this YT video has shit testing or settings on his TV adding latency or has not updated controller firmware something. I've had the button pressing issue missing a button input rarely but overall the input latency on Xbox One and One X is fucking brilliant offline or online. So much so that going wired I don't even feel a tangible difference, I don't bother using wired in Apex for example, there's simply no benefit as online latency trumps the input latency anyhow. By the way your frames are rendering at approx 8ms to 16ms to 32ms (120fps vs 60fps vs 30fps) on average and you have your own reaction time of averaged approx 25ms to add to such real world examples.
Proper testing has you trial multiple devices e.g. many dualsense and xbox controllers with various games/dash etc.
See the image above for Series X/S fast input scanning being 2ms.
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For Series X it is officially noted as 2ms, yes wireless.
Soon there will be a firmware update for Xbox One controllers to use DLI, just like Series X/S does and input scanning will be even more frequent resulting in less ms latency again.
I'd wait for something specialist testing on this one, clearly this YT video has shit testing or settings on his TV adding latency or has not updated controller firmware something. I've had the button pressing issue missing a button input rarely but overall the input latency on Xbox One and One X is fucking brilliant offline or online. So much so that going wired I don't even feel a tangible difference, I don't bother using wired in Apex for example, there's simply no benefit as online latency trumps the input latency anyhow. By the way your frames are rendering at approx 8ms to 16ms to 32ms (120fps vs 60fps vs 30fps) on average and you have your own reaction time of averaged approx 25ms to add to such real world examples.
Proper testing has you trial multiple devices e.g. many dualsense and xbox controllers with various games/dash etc.
See the image above for Series X/S fast input scanning being 2ms.
Source
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yurinka
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Reliable tests were made in the previous gen. Xbox continue with the same technology while the PS technology highly improved both for playing wired and wireless. It's fair to think that the results in the OP aren't perfect but I think should be more or less more or less representative of real results.
Oddvintagechap
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PS5 has the latest radios. Wifi and Bluetooth. I wish they added USB4 on the USB-C port. Oh well. Would have have been able to play PS4 games at a 5GBs SSD speed. It capped at 10gbs.
Tygeezy
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The dualshock 4 polls at 250 hz (4 ms of added latency) vs 1000 hz in wireless (1 ms added latency). So this is simply not true.
In case anybody is wondering Jibb Smart from flick stick fame has messed with the dualsense and has confirmed in wired mode the dualsense is sadly polling at 250 hz.
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MomoVideo
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Oh, come on what?
We believe in generations and hide cross generation games until pre orders go live lol.. Microsoft did exactly what they said reduced lag from last generation.
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