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DUKE NUKEM FOREVER |OT| Spank One For The Good Guys
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The Xtortionist
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Buckethead said:
Honestly guys, the PS3 demo didn't run bad at all if you factor out load times (hey Portal 2 got away with it). The in-game performance held up just fine and kicks the living shit out of the 360 demo. Is the full game worse? I hope not.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Buckethead said:
I should clarify, I meant the code was written primarly with PC in mind. But that said, PC code should be easy to port over to 360, and somewhat harder to port to the PS3, so with that in mind, it makes little sense that the PS3 version is the superior console version :lol
playing the full ps3 game here - much better than the atrocious demo (better framerate, no tearing), but load times are long as ever.
i'll have my fair share of fun with the game, because its funny an duke is some cool character from years ago. but every other aspect is just plain bad. bad level design (the rc car sections), boring enemies, literally no ai and its short too. overall, it would have been better, if the game was scrapped long ago.
but maybe the next game will be better, with gearbox on front.
i'll have my fair share of fun with the game, because its funny an duke is some cool character from years ago. but every other aspect is just plain bad. bad level design (the rc car sections), boring enemies, literally no ai and its short too. overall, it would have been better, if the game was scrapped long ago.
but maybe the next game will be better, with gearbox on front.
Just beat it, this game is absolutely dreadful. It fails as a fun throwback to 90s FPS, and as a decent modern FPS. You just want to go nuts and start circle strafing, but the health system requires you to be hiding behind cover waiting for health to recharge for most of the combat time. There is also no room to circle strafe because the level design is Call of Duty inspired instead of the more sprawling and open Duke 3d style. The boss battles mostly consist you running back and forth between cover and an ammo crate because the RPG can only hold 5 rockets now (down from 50).
The graphics are medicore, the performance (on the 360) is shocking, the load times are baffling. The pacing is off, fast swathes of time go by without any kind of gunplay. The shooting is janky and unsatisfying. The voice acting is abysmal, hell even the music is grating especially the load screen version of the theme which might be the worst version of that theme ever made. The Duke humour is present, but it's all delivered in such a poorly scripted and ill conceived manner that it's never funny. Even the "shocking stuff" like the
is so weirdly presented that it doesn't really have any effect on you other than confusion.
This game gets a 3/10, every aspect of it is worse than modern counterparts, and it doesn't even do throwback well (not that it seems to even be trying). Anyone who thinks this deserves a 7 or higher is no longer allowed to bitch about games media outlets never using their entire review scale.
Edit: Mistook Devastator for RPG
The graphics are medicore, the performance (on the 360) is shocking, the load times are baffling. The pacing is off, fast swathes of time go by without any kind of gunplay. The shooting is janky and unsatisfying. The voice acting is abysmal, hell even the music is grating especially the load screen version of the theme which might be the worst version of that theme ever made. The Duke humour is present, but it's all delivered in such a poorly scripted and ill conceived manner that it's never funny. Even the "shocking stuff" like the
rape apology of the Holsom twins scene
This game gets a 3/10, every aspect of it is worse than modern counterparts, and it doesn't even do throwback well (not that it seems to even be trying). Anyone who thinks this deserves a 7 or higher is no longer allowed to bitch about games media outlets never using their entire review scale.
Edit: Mistook Devastator for RPG
Buckethead
Banned
I don't see how this is the case.ram said:
This has made Duke Nukem relavent again. Whether you like the game or not, people are talking about Duke Nukem.
It's not just something "old people used to play". It's something happening in 2011.
Also they're recouping some money.
Now what they need to do (they being Gearbox) is make a new Duke game that is fresh but keeps the spirit of the franchise.
Then everyone wins.
CecilRousso
Member
SalsaShark said:
Deal with it? It´s not nothing I have to deal with it, I´m just talking about how people in general seem so much more forgiving about this game than others.
Myself, and three friends, have no complaints whatsoever with the technical gameplay side of the 360 release. Very little screen tearing, no slowdown, no glitches (thus far), no pop up, and really no noticable problems at all. Either the 4 of us, a mere trickle within a an ocean of gamers, got lucky, or perhaps the problems are being exacerbated just a little.
Exactly what I wanted, in both the sense a Duke Nukem experience, and an actual game. Over the top, action packed, B-movie. Rock on.
Exactly what I wanted, in both the sense a Duke Nukem experience, and an actual game. Over the top, action packed, B-movie. Rock on.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Buckethead said:
I wish Gearbox would buy the Blood IP too ;_; Bring back Caleb!
Just finished the game today. The end reference is hilarious. I expect the sequel to be much better as it is not weighed down by over 10 years of game design. Duke Nukem Forever playes like an old school game developed by an old school team. The sequel should play like an old school game developed by a modern and creative team.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
clockpunk said:
Blood and Duke 3D are tied as my all-time favourite FPS games. 'I live... again'.
derFeef said:
Oh God, don't remind me. Blood 2 was such an abysmal piece of utter dogshit. Sure, the graphics were good for its time, but that's about the only good thing about the game. Even Caleb's one-liners sucked.
The PC version looks acceptable, I think. Parts of it are actually quite impressive (eg. the hive section), while other bits are less so, but overall it looks on a level with a lot of 360 ports.Choc said:
It's just a shame the 360 version itself is such an awful port. I kind of wish they'd kept it on the PC, so players would at least experience it at its best - even if the total playerbase would be smaller.
Prime crotch
Banned
Hey, these obvious Olsen twins parody got raped and pregnant as consequence of the rape, oh and now they're dead, Hu-yuck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Yh4Aq54ek
"Guess you're....fucked" *cue The Who's*
Fuck this game and everyone involved in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Yh4Aq54ek
"Guess you're....fucked" *cue The Who's*
Fuck this game and everyone involved in it.
Discotheque
Banned
jgminto said:
aka give it to People Can Fly. Painkiller was the best old-style game I played in ages. And then Bulletstorm took that and added unique ideas to it (they even made the 2 weapon limit feel alright, but it would have been nice to have all the weapons at your disposal)
Prime crotch
Banned
What you think the aliens do with the women they capture? It's not very subtle about it.
untoldhero
Member
Haha, fucking double standards seriously.
scytheavatar
Member
Can someone explain to me what's so old school about this game? It plays exactly the same as any Halo wannabe you get nowadays, with its regenerating health, two weapon limit and not a lot of secrets.
Not to mention the fact that this aspect of the game originated in Duke3D.geebee said:
I don't see how this is any different than any other "alien impregnates human host" story except for the fact a joke is made of it.
scytheavatar said:
The humour mainly. It doesn't take itself seriously which is a trait lacking in most games these days. Apart from that the only other old school part of the game is the interactivity, these days usually nothing in the environment is interactive in a FPS game.
CecilRousso
Member
saunderez said:
I´m not saying anything about the scene in itself now, but people on the internet need to learn that you´re not P.C. just because you don´t think absolutely everything is funny.
1 - It's quite obviously rape. Anyone denying that is either stupid or desperately clawing to find a way to intellectually defend their game.
2 - Duke doesn't need intellectually defending. That's the point. If you're fine with playing a game where death and mutilation and violence is played for laughs, you cannot intelligently find issue with a rape joke - itself a joke about violence and (ultimately, when the birth happens) mutilation and death.
I mean, if someone takes offense at the rape joke and the death, mutilation and violence (and as a result doesn't agree with most mainstream games either), then I can respect their point of view. If not, fuck 'em.
2 - Duke doesn't need intellectually defending. That's the point. If you're fine with playing a game where death and mutilation and violence is played for laughs, you cannot intelligently find issue with a rape joke - itself a joke about violence and (ultimately, when the birth happens) mutilation and death.
I mean, if someone takes offense at the rape joke and the death, mutilation and violence (and as a result doesn't agree with most mainstream games either), then I can respect their point of view. If not, fuck 'em.
Are you talking about the rape discussion? That's the very concept of the game itself, present in Duke3D and the reason he fights those alien bastards. It'd be like saying it's a spoiler to know you'll be shooting things.MNC said:
I know that. But this is Duke Nukem we're talking about. It's like South Park in many ways, you expect it to be vulgar and anti-P.C. because that's who Duke is. If you don't like vulgarity then this game isn't for you. I'm just sick of the P.C. brigade storming in on their white horses thinking they should tell me what I should be offended by, thats all it comes down to in the end.CecilRousso said:
Phonomezer
Banned
Prime crotch said:
The most offensive thing about this is that it isn't funny.
Prime crotch
Banned
What exactly is mature about this title? The fagg joke, the shit throwing, the twins whose only role is to suck dick and to die later?geebee said:
Why this, or any kind of shit-throwing at minoritiy groups, is more alarming than the player killing npc's, is because it's reflective of an issue that affects society; all the alien murdering isn't even an allegory for war, it's just whack-a-mole.
ahah! yes, those girls got fucked up! get it? because they were figuratively and literally fucked! hi5 brosaunderez said:
Fuck you for finding this shit acceptable.
CecilRousso
Member
Phonomezer said:
Nope. It´s one thing to think that it fits with the game and is a part of the story, but surely no can think that that scens is actually funny?
Should have clarified.. I meant that the game is a Mature rated title.. we all know the content of the game is not so mature and intelligent.Prime crotch said:
You could argue that any negative action made in any video game reflects current issues that affect society. Do you get this concerned over other negative content in video games?
Prime crotch
Banned
If it's played for laughs or just as inconsequential, sure; more so if it's similar to this case. It's especially worrying with video games because the hardcore audience eats this up like it's candy.geebee said:
jizzlobber
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why is this a throwback to old school FPSs?
apart from the first few levels it doesn't tell you what to do and where to go.
apart from the first few levels it doesn't tell you what to do and where to go.
The whole aliens impregnating women didn't really bother me, it's classic science fiction. But what was really odd was the tone they used for it. That whole level was fairly serious for most part. I feel that they should have gone less serious because that segment didn't fit with the rest of the game.
But it's not inconsequential. It's Duke's primary motivation in the game. Duke is an unashamed hedonist, but "Those alien bastards are gonna PAY!" does not sound like someone who doesn't take the kidnapping seriously. In fact, Duke was kind of bored with the aliens until they started kidnapping women.Prime crotch said:
I'll admit that The Hive level was genuinely disturbing and uncomfortable. Which was kind of refreshing, really. I like it when a game tries to be disturbing and uncomfortable like that, most games play it so safe that it gets stale and boring.
Then the two comic relief twins get brutally killed off
Is it offensive? Oh, hell yes it is. Is it wrong to be offensive some times? No. Just be ready to deal with the fallout, but people have a right to offend. So do games, and I'm actually happy that Duke Nukem Forever isn't pulling its punches here. It's horrible, insensitive, and creepy. It will make a lot of people angry, and several more disgusted. And when was the last time a video game had the guts to do that?
Prime crotch
Banned
How pissed can he really be after dropping that iceburn right before their gruesome death.
Also, guts? What is gutsy about pulling yet another edgy joke, I guess after a lot of outdated ones it might look so.
It's the tone that is problematic. The pod women in Duke3D were always a creepy element, but they never got into a scripted joke routine.
Also, guts? What is gutsy about pulling yet another edgy joke, I guess after a lot of outdated ones it might look so.
It's the tone that is problematic. The pod women in Duke3D were always a creepy element, but they never got into a scripted joke routine.
Duke Nukem doesn't save the world to "save the world". He fights the aliens because they a) fuck with him and b) fuck with/up the women HE wants to fuck.
The hive levels, in both old and new game, are there for multiple things:
First, to shock. They are in there so people go "HOLY SHIT did you see that Duke Nukem game? That shit is SOOO crazy man, there's like naked chicks who were raped by aliens and their stomachs explode! And you can totally see their tits, it's awesome man!"
This was more relevant in the old game than in this one,because nowadays if we want to see fucked up stuff we go on the Internet and we have been desensualized anyway. Second AvP movie anyone? That shit was WORSE than what Duke did here.
Secondly to show off that Duke cares about fucking chicks. He doesn't care about "the" chicks, but he cares about not being able to bang them. They are vaginas on legs and if they aliens take them he can't bang them. This makes him "cool" or "90's cool" because he is a badass man who treats women like sex objects and nothing else.
The hive levels, in both old and new game, are there for multiple things:
First, to shock. They are in there so people go "HOLY SHIT did you see that Duke Nukem game? That shit is SOOO crazy man, there's like naked chicks who were raped by aliens and their stomachs explode! And you can totally see their tits, it's awesome man!"
This was more relevant in the old game than in this one,because nowadays if we want to see fucked up stuff we go on the Internet and we have been desensualized anyway. Second AvP movie anyone? That shit was WORSE than what Duke did here.
Secondly to show off that Duke cares about fucking chicks. He doesn't care about "the" chicks, but he cares about not being able to bang them. They are vaginas on legs and if they aliens take them he can't bang them. This makes him "cool" or "90's cool" because he is a badass man who treats women like sex objects and nothing else.
Prime crotch
Banned
Problem is, nobody whos a fan sees Duke as nothing but an awesome dude.Klyka said:
Always Bet on The Duke.