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Dune Stuns the Venice Film Festival: “Once in a generation film” - Compared to LOTR

FunkMiller

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Making the first half of this book without the second at the same time was a huge mistake. Villeneuve is not a huge box office draw. He just isn’t. Getting people into what is essentially half a story is not going to be easy, especially a story as dense as Dune. HBO Max might well save the franchise’s bacon. They’ll green light part two based on how well it does there. If they’re willing to waste 70 million on Zack Snyder, they‘ll probably let Villeneuve complete the story.
 
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ManaByte

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Making the first half of this book without the second at the same time was a huge mistake. Villeneuve is not a huge box office draw. He just isn’t. Getting people into what is essentially half a story is not going to be easy, especially a story as dense as Dune. HBO Max might well save the franchise’s bacon. They’ll green light part two based on how well it does there. If they’re willing to waste 70 million on Zack Snyder, they‘ll probably let Villeneuve complete the story.

They also greenlit Wonder Woman 3 immediately after 1984's HBO Max premiere and that movie was Superman II all over again.
 

ManaByte

Member
HOLY SHIT the soundtrack is amazing. I always loved the Toto/Eno score to Lynch's, but THIS is what a Dune movie should sound like. It also doesn't sound like the typical Zimmer assembly line shit.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
They also greenlit Wonder Woman 3 immediately after 1984's HBO Max premiere and that movie was Superman II all over again.
I think you mean superman III. Supes 2, was actually good. And wasn't superman 1&2, supposed to be one film originally?
 

ManaByte

Member
I think you mean superman III. Supes 2, was actually good. And wasn't superman 1&2, supposed to be one film originally?
Nah 1984 isn't Superman III. It's absolutely II. It's the goofy sequel to a more serious original.

I wasn't bashing Superman II. I love the movie (and prefer the Lester version over the Donner cut) but it's a very different tone of movie from the original and WW to WW1984 is an almost identical tonal shift.

Hell even the plots are similar with both title characters losing their powers and having to get them back in the third act to save the day.
 
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sol_bad

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If this were just a cinema release, it would die on its arse. HBO Max is the best thing for it. I’m very much looking forward to watching it at home.

It's going to die on It's arse harder without a box office. Look a Suicide Squad.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
The stillsuits alone are enough to tell me just how many liberties they're taking with the source material.

I won't talk too much shit without watching it, but it's a red flag if you take anything from the David Lynch abortion.
What about the added humour? "Smile, Gurney." :p

Not gonna get myself HYPEnotized either by the twitter check marks. BR2049 was ultimately a let down for me compared to its predecessor.
 
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ManaByte

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BR2049 was ultimately a let down for me compared to its predecessor.
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Buggy Loop

Gold Member
I’m booking imax tickets with friends ASAP.

I love sci-fi ✅, I love Dune ✅, I loved every Villeneuve movies ✅, I love a slow burner, ✅ I love Hans Zimmer scores ✅.

Hype Train GIF by Leroy Patterson
 

ManaByte

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I can’t think of a single aspect where the original is better than 2049, I mean if you remove the rose tinted glasses.

I mean BR2049 answered the ONE question everyone had after the original.

And I'm not talking about if Deckard is a Replicant or not. No one cares about that except for Ridley Scott.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
The original is basically an 80s action movie disguised as a future detective story. The objective is to kill Roy Batty.

The sequel is an actual detective story solving a mystery that sprung from the final scenes of the original movie. It's a superior sequel.
Seems like the norm to me to work with what the previous story revealed if you're going to continue that story, that in itself doesn't make it newer story superior.

Drinker in the first 5 minutes brings up important questions that 2049 just ignores:
  • Why make replicants that can reproduce when BR and 2049 show questionable reliability
  • the inherent conflict of interest of a replicant hunting other replicants
  • How does a replicant child grow without the limitations of the parent(BR (final cut)said nothing about Racheal being special in that way)



The parts with K thinking that he might be the one was excellent, the movie started to falter for me when Deckard come into the picture.
 
Arrival and BR2049 are two of the best movies I’ve ever seen. Hyped as fuck for Dune! Will have to N95 up and see this shit in the theatre by myself if I have to.
 

ShadowNate

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I'm excited for this. More so than any other upcoming movie this year.

I thought BR2049 was ok. I did like its ideas more than I liked the actual film I think. I could do without a couple of segments from it, both of which I would describe as highly annoying.
 

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CliffyB's Cock Holster
The LOTR comparison I find kinda off-putting to be honest.

Felt it was highly overrated and honestly quite forgettable.
 

mortal

Banned
The LOTR comparison I find kinda off-putting to be honest.

Felt it was highly overrated and honestly quite forgettable.
I'm assuming the comparison is in terms of scale.

Scale is something that comes to mind when I think of Dune.
 

SpiceRacz

Member
They couldn't have picked a better director for this. It was almost guaranteed it was going to be really good.
 

Lupingosei

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According to Twitter reactions, Shang-Chi was an absolute triumph and was compared to Lord of the Rings.

According to reviews, it is an average to a good action movie with the usual Marvel plot problems.
 
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ManaByte

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According to Twitter reactions, Shang-Chi was an absolute triumph and was compared to Lord of the Rings.

According to reviews, it is an average to a good action movie with the usual Marvel plot problems.

You want real reviews? Fine.
 

thefool

Member
Watching this on an empty theater will be sweet.

According to Twitter reactions, Shang-Chi was an absolute triumph and was compared to Lord of the Rings.

According to reviews, it is an average to a good action movie with the usual Marvel plot problems.

Some of these tweets don't sound very entushiastic tbh. The average, "it's great, loud, entertaining, immersive".
 

ManaByte

Member
Watching this on an empty theater will be sweet.

Depends where you are. The Shang-Chi opening night showings in San Diego were like 90-95% full of people. When I saw the IMAX preview last month the theater was pretty much full as well.

CA is above 80% vaxxed now and it's still going up so people are mostly back to normal.
 

ManaByte

Member
Thank you, but again first reviews are useless to me as well.

I am not attacking you, I am attacking the access media system. People want access and get invited to those festivals and premiers.

Every movie gets the media hype in the early stages. Even for the last Ghostbusters movie.

I don't get my hopes too high yet. Again not attacking you.

You complained about Twitter reactions and compared them to real reviews. I provided you real printed reviews of the movie from likes like Time magazine and Ebert's site and you decide to dismiss them.
 

Lupingosei

Banned
You complained about Twitter reactions and compared them to real reviews. I provided you real printed reviews of the movie from likes like Time magazine and Ebert's site and you decide to dismiss them.
Yes, I do dismiss them as well, because they are part of the access media as well, just as the Tweets are.

Redlettermedia once had a discussion about this and I am on the same page as they are. It is not corruption that they write those reviews, it may be in the back of your head. But you watched the film before everybody else, met the crew, went to the party, this all will be part of the review in one way or the other.

I will wait for reviews when low-level critics have to go to a press screening in a theater near their place to watch the movie and if those reviews are still that enthusiastic, I will be more than happy.

btw. I loved Arrival probably one of my favorite sci-fi movies. So I am not against Villeneuve or against the idea, that the movie could be fantastic.
 
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ManaByte

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I will wait for reviews when low-level critics have to go to a press screening in a theater near their place to watch the movie and if those reviews are still that enthusiastic, I will be more than happy.
They did critic screenings all over the country this week. But of course you'll still dismiss those reviews because you only listen to outrage YouTubers who make their money trashing movies.
 

FunkMiller

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The original is basically an 80s action movie disguised as a future detective story. The objective is to kill Roy Batty.

The sequel is an actual detective story solving a mystery that sprung from the final scenes of the original movie. It's a superior sequel.

It’s actually a 1950s hard boiled detective noir disguised as a future detective story. The objective to stop replicants in general - though the genre was always more about the people than the plot or the macguffin.

It’s superior to the sequel because it’s plot is more coherent, the performances are better, and it’s more thought provoking, but 2049 is still a remarkable movie, even if the parts are greater than it sum.
 
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jason10mm

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I can’t think of a single aspect where the original is better than 2049, I mean if you remove the rose tinted glasses.
Are you kidding me? Rutger Hauer was genius in that film, nothing in BR2049 comes close. It has the visuals, but not the atmosphere. I can't think of anything other than Ava 30 meters tall beconing to me that was better that BR, any cut.
 

Dr Bass

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You think 2049 holds a candle, at all, to the original?

It's not even in the same realm in terms of meaning, impact to the medium, etc. It's a well made but completely non-essential flick that does absolutely nothing to capture the ethos of the original movie. It also makes the original movie worse, because what happens to the characters after that movie isn't the point.
 

NahaNago

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My expectations are pretty low for this movie. I am expecting at least stunning visuals and all of this praise for the movie is lowering my hype for it for some odd reason.
 

Dr Bass

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It’s actually a 1950s hard boiled detective noir disguised as a future detective story. The objective to stop replicants in general - though the genre was always more about the people than the plot or the macguffin.

It’s superior to the sequel because it’s plot is more coherent, the performances are better, and it’s more thought provoking, but 2049 is still a remarkable movie, even if the parts are greater than it sum.
Glad some people don't drink the "newer is better" kool-aid.

It's superior to the "sequel" (i.e. a story not written by the original author and therefore has almost no bearing on the original) for just about every reason imaginable. The characters. The themes. The music. The visuals. The production of that movie was such a landmark that it still influences movies and video games in a BIG way, to this day, 40 years later. It's still the high water mark in so many ways, and 2049 felt like a fan film with a budget, much like the new Star Wars movies. In terms of the characters, and the themes of the movie, compared to the first ... they are practically non-existent. It's another typical Hollywood plot driven big budget movie (this happens, and then this happens, which makes this happen!) that has absolutely no consequence at all. And then directly using the "time to die" music at the end that was used for Batty's scene in the original ... absurd, and unearned. It reminded me of how "The Artist" used the Vertigo music for it's ending. Just no, that is an emotional moment earned in another movie, that has nothing to do with this. Total and utter garbage decision making.

2049 looked great, and it sounded good too. But again, it was competent people ripping off the vision of other people and that's it. The story and characters are complete throwaway.

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Back to the original topic. Always take the early reviews with a huge grain of salt. Multiple tweets saying this is "Hans Zimmer's best score" is suspicious. Whenever there is shared language from different people it sounds like they were given a quote sheet to include in their comments. I am listening to the soundtrack now, and it sounds like typical recent Zimmer. Heavy on drums, rhythm and ambience. Not much in terms of musicality. But there is more to go, we will see. I mean I think Hans does a good job of writing material that matches up with the screen well, but "best score" seems unlikely, especially from what I've heard so far.
 
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