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Dune Stuns the Venice Film Festival: “Once in a generation film” - Compared to LOTR
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Glad to read Ferguson did well. I think she was one of the actors that mentioned she wasn't at all aware of the book and wasn't planning on getting into it. I always felt that an actor being too close or familiar with source material often isn't a good thing. Director and others need to know that stuff and bring it out in the performance of the actor for the film.
Haven't heard much about Piter(Dastmalchian). Hope he's just overshadowed, the actor seemed well cast for the role of the great villain. Actor talked lots about his love for the book.
Haven't heard much about Piter(Dastmalchian). Hope he's just overshadowed, the actor seemed well cast for the role of the great villain. Actor talked lots about his love for the book.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
That's a very charitable way to look at it, but I agree.
I'm just very skittish about getting hyped, mainly because I think most modern movies suck despite what most critics would have us believe.
Villeneuve is a quality film-maker, so I'm optimistic that Dune will actually turn out at least interesting,
Dr Bass
Member
And here is why you don’t buy into early press reviews. Not that the movie isn’t good. But it hardly seems to be a universal slam dunk.
www.indiewire.com
‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment
Hype is the mind-killer.
www.indiewire.com
clarky
Gold Member
I don't get your point. Your saying don't listen to early reviews but listen to this early press review instead?And here is why you don’t buy into early press reviews. Not that the movie isn’t good. But it hardly seems to be a universal slam dunk.
‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment
Hype is the mind-killer.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Oof, that reviewer doesn't hold back.And here is why you don’t buy into early press reviews. Not that the movie isn’t good. But it hardly seems to be a universal slam dunk.
‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment
Hype is the mind-killer.
Why on earth would you have low expectations. Great actors amazing director strong source material. A standing ovation doesn’t happen for every movie ESPECIALLY sci fi
I can’t take any review seriously that criticizes dune for having a “white savior” give me a break
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PanzerAzel
Member
I was going to see this, but seems like it commits the one unforgivable sin I simply cannot ignore. From Michael Rougeau at Gamespot:
“The elephant in the room, if there is one, is the fact that Dune is an almost-60-year-old story that suffers from a reliance on the all-too-familiar "white savior" trope; Paul Atreides, a powerful young white man, is hailed as a messiah and the fulfillment of prophecy by many (though not all) of the brown-skinned residents of Arrakis. The vague unease this trope imparts might have been mitigated by casting a non-white actor in Paul's role, although one can hardly complain about Chalamet himself. And during recent interviews with the press, including GameSpot, Villeneuve has said he views Dune's larger story as a rebuttal of white savior tropes. That may not come across in this chapter, but I'm inclined to give the visionary director the benefit of the doubt and see where the tale goes next.”
Yes…..the “vague unease”. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to gut this one out.
“The elephant in the room, if there is one, is the fact that Dune is an almost-60-year-old story that suffers from a reliance on the all-too-familiar "white savior" trope; Paul Atreides, a powerful young white man, is hailed as a messiah and the fulfillment of prophecy by many (though not all) of the brown-skinned residents of Arrakis. The vague unease this trope imparts might have been mitigated by casting a non-white actor in Paul's role, although one can hardly complain about Chalamet himself. And during recent interviews with the press, including GameSpot, Villeneuve has said he views Dune's larger story as a rebuttal of white savior tropes. That may not come across in this chapter, but I'm inclined to give the visionary director the benefit of the doubt and see where the tale goes next.”
Yes…..the “vague unease”. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to gut this one out.
Xenon
Member
1. The post below yours.
2. It's coming from Hollywood and they just can't help themselves.
3 Blade Runner 2049 was a great film and the ending was good but that was an original story. I can't help but think that he may be planning another swap of the main characters but this time with a known story. That leak about part 2 didn't help my fear in this.
4. A diverse cast wasn't a problem for me before they started to hire diversity consultants to make sure the characters don't do anything that might negatively represent the identity group they belong to, like Rey and Fin. Now they come with a shit load of political baggage.
5. Its still early, and it hasn't happened yet, but I can't help but feel someone from the cast is going to attack the fans of the book.
6. Screen play adaptation is going to be written for a modern audience. This hasn't gone well in the past.
7. All the bullshit of the last 4 years has made my suspension of disbelief much harder to achieve.
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It's all in the wrist
Member
I only watch movies that get 9 minute standing ovations.
It sounds like the reviewer wanted the source material to be changed. I'm not down with that
imo that paragraph invalidates the entire review.
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HeadsUp7Up
Member
Can't wait to see this in IMAX.
HeadsUp7Up
Member
I watched Suicide Squad a few days ago at home and really wish I had saw it in the theater. It was great and seeing it on the big screen the first time would have made it even better.
PanzerAzel
Member
Yeah.
Apparently in this day and age, remaining faithful to the source material and period means you’re a bigot.
Reviewer is a twat.
Ammogeddon
Member
This is going to be the first film in a long time that I have been to watch at the imax, cannot wait.
In other news, an 8 minute standing ovation, that’s just ridiculous.
In other news, an 8 minute standing ovation, that’s just ridiculous.
FunkMiller
Member
Ugh...
Jesus Christ. He just couldn’t resist, could he?
Lupingosei
Banned
It is always amazing to see what a gigantic shitshow the US entertainment media has become.Ugh...
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Where is the IGN review? They gave it a 7. Hardly a masterpiece by any standard and they are a bigger outlet than any of those.You want real reviews? Fine.
Denis Villeneuve's Take on 'Dune' Is an Admirably Understated Spectacle
Timothée Chalamet and Zendaya sparkle, and even that treacherous sandworm has a shivery elegancetime.com
'Dune' Film Review: Huge Sci-Fi Epic Is Relentlessly Dark But Thrilling
Timothée Chalamet stars in Denis Villeneuve's dazzling and frustrating take on Frank Herbert's classic 1965 novelwww.thewrap.com
Dune is this generation’s Lord of the Rings trilogy – review
Denis Villeneuve’s film is of such literal and emotional largeness that it overwhelms the senseswww.independent.co.uk
Dune movie review & film summary (2021) | Roger Ebert
Villeneuve, working with amazing technicians including cinematographer Greig Fraser, editor Joe Walker, and production designer Patrice Vermette, manages to walk the thin line between grandeur and pomposity.www.rogerebert.com
Dune Review
We take a look at Dune, the acclaimed director Denis Villeneuve adaptation of Frank Herbert's classic 1965 classic novel.www.joblo.com
AwardsWatch - Venice review: Denis Villeneuve’s ‘Dune’ is a gripping and visually arresting opener to an exciting universe [Grade: A]
Venice review: Denis Villeneuve's 'Dune' is a gripping and visually arresting opener to an exciting universe [Grade: A]awardswatch.com
Dune is a stellar crowd-pleaser on a vast scale
Director Denis Villeneuve ramps up the production values in an epic sci-fi adventure starring Timothée Chalamet and Oscar Isaacwww.ft.com
Review: Denis Villeneuve’s 'Dune' is a transporting vision, but it could use a touch more madness
Timothée Chalamet, Zendaya and Oscar Isaac headline Denis Villeneuve's seat-rattling adaptation of the Frank Herbert sci-fi classic.www.latimes.com
Dune Review - IGN
Dune is a gorgeous but imperfect epic, a technical wonder that spends too much time setting up a third act that never comes.
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ClanOfNone
Member
lmao, "white savior trope," do these people even read the books? Paul ignites a jihad that kills billions and is hated by many. His son becomes a God Emperor that rules with an iron fist for millenia and is eventually assassinated.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Only at a film festival. I can't imagine anyone in the general public giving any movie a standing ovation. Who the fuck does that?An 8 minute long standing ovation?
Lupingosei
Banned
So you are not an American.
ManaByte
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Who's standing?
FunkMiller
Member
Never go to the cinema in America. They clap like seals at the end of movies. It’s incredibly cringeworthy
Lupingosei
Banned
They clap at everything, a celebrity showing up, planes landing, somebody doing something. It is part of becoming American somehow.Never go to the cinema in America. They clap like seals at the end of movies. It’s incredibly cringeworthy
French are rude, Italians are loud, Americans clap.
I don't think the fremen were a different ethnicity than Paul in the book because after thousands of years there weren't races anymore.
This reviewer is a white savior trope.Ugh...
No mention of Bechdal test, must be neutral. That's a relief: LET"S GO!!!
Ulysses 31
Member
Only watched the 1984 and 2000 versions, did the jihad extend to other worlds? Paul pretty much had took control of Arrakis by the end of book one so I wonder where the billions of deaths originate from in the other books.
ClanOfNone
Member
Yuh, the jihad spanned the entirety of the known human empire. lol, the official wiki says 60 BILLION people perished.
Who even gets their film reviews from Gamespot of all places?Ugh...
Anyone that unironically uses the "white savior" trope as a criticism misunderstands the book.
Especially if they're going to claim "effectively adapts the novel to the screen."
ClanOfNone
Member
The whole point of Paul is that he ISN'T a savior. The whole legend of Maud'dib was planted into the Fremen society by the Bene Gessirit Sisterhood. Paul knows that people will kill billions in his name, and he eventually doesn't follow through on his "Golden Path" and Leto II picks up where he left off.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
True but if you only read the first book you wouldn't know that. Paul is the hero of the first book. Its later when things go to shit. Plots within plots.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm as American as ABBA and Bowie.
ÆMNE22A!C
NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
And this movie is most likely as stunning as first wave "press" impressions are sincere.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Doesn't everything stun the Venice Film Festival, though? I mean, I'm hoping it won't suck, but critical analysis circa the last five years has always concerned me because it's less about reviewing a product and more about super meta promotion of the material. I'm curious and don't have the motivation to look myself to either confirm or deny my suppositions, but how many of these tweets and articles mention how it's on "on par with LoTR,' verbatim? I saw two in the OP, and that's always a red flag for me. Like industry approved buzz words and taglines to be put in a huge colored font floating quote above the article type stuff. Anyway, hope it really is that good.
bender
What time is it?
ManaByte
Member
I saw that in theaters. On a Friday night in a packed San Francisco theater. It was full MST3K mode. When Tom Baker showed up, someone in the front yelled "OH MY GOD WHAT DID THEY DO TO TOM?"
bender
What time is it?
Someone gives a speech and says something along the lines of "friends, it is now time to act.". I yelled out, "no, that was 45 minutes ago". The whole theater was rolling.
strange headache
Banned
Yes but you would need to read the books to know that. Something this Gamespot reviewer obviously didn't do before running his mouth. In his imagination he was probably triggered by a "white-skinned" protagonist saving a couple of "desert people". Probably didn't even do his research, just puke it out, hit send, done! On to the next mass-produced article.
eyesabitdull
Banned
I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but I just find it hard to listen to anyone telling me what's good and bad over the internet too much these days.
I recall BvS was also given a standing ovation and that being reported.
Definitely watching it, to at least wet my beak into the lore and seeing whether a read through of the book is an absolute must - but this pre release jerk off sesh of this (or any) movie always turns me cautious.
Fingers crossed its both an exceptional movie, and it actually makes a profit!
BarringGaffner
Member
You guys are being ridiculous. They didn’t even ding the score for it, and the reviewer doesn’t put together the final pro/con list.
A reviewer doesn’t need to read a book to review a movie, the movie must speak for itself. You’ve never seen a film that has failed the actual themes of a book? Watchmen comes to mind. Does me reading Watchmen make the film better because I know what the source material intended? Of course not.
If people aren’t going to read the book then let them see how things get turned on their head in part 2 rather than acting like assholes. And if the film fails the themes of the book (hopefully we get a part 2 to find out) then it should be criticized.
eyesabitdull
Banned
I agree with this.
A movie based on a book should make you either want to read the book itself, or let you go home feeling like you understood everything enough at a comfortable level.
This has been - and should continue to be - the rule of any book adaptation.
I didn't watch LOTR and felt at any point that I didn't understand a plot point or the lore because the Peter Jackson found a sweet spot to make digestible.
Nor did I watch Fight Club and felt like I needed to read the book to understand something.
Same could be said about the Harry Potter films, The Godfather, Gone Girl and many others.
Dune isn't Pokemon where they could just put out the first movie and every kid knew exactly what the world is about without explaining jack to the absolute confusion of all parents and get away with it.
That being said, neither have us have watched the movie and for all we know the Gamespot reviewer is a dunce.
Besides, who tf goes to gamespot to listen to a goddamn movie review?
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j0hnnix
Member
White man complains about being white tonight on 11 news.Ugh...