Dwyane Wade to Sign with the Chicago Bulls
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That's going to be a sad Miami Roster if Bosh Retires early due to his Blood Clots.
And then the NBA needs to do the Heat a solid and give us the number 1 pick in the draft, like they did for Clev twice when they lost LeBron James
Randolph Freelander
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A lot of people are overstating the impact of state income taxes, trying to lessen or eliminate the difference between the Miami and Chicago offers. Approximately half (less than that, but let's go with simplicity) of Wade's Miami salary would be subject to other state's income taxes based on road games. Similarly, only half of Wade's Chicago salary would be subject to the Illinois state income tax for the same reason, road games in other states. Right now, and this is subject to change, Illinois only has a single rate of 3.75% on all income. Apply that to half of Wade's salary over two years, it's roughly 1.8 million (rounding up). Therefore, an equivalent deal from Miami would need to be somewhere around 2 years, 45.7 million.
If I have made some wrong assumptions anywhere above, it will impact the numbers, of course, but the basic heart of the matter is that Illinois taxes would have to be egregious to offset the difference in salary.
If I have made some wrong assumptions anywhere above, it will impact the numbers, of course, but the basic heart of the matter is that Illinois taxes would have to be egregious to offset the difference in salary.
Lol no they wont, its Miami and no state tax, a bunch of cap room, plus more if they get out of the Bosh deal if he cant play.
CassidyIzABeast
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EL CUCO
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TwntyOneTwlv
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Oh wow, if that's true then you're 100% right, that's pathetic. How lame.
Outdoor Miner
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So Heat fans were right that Cavs fans are pathetic
Turns out that basketball fans love burning jerseys.?
MiamiWesker
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Still can't believe this.
That Riley message.
Omg what is happening on Lebatard right now. Lololol.
entremet
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As a starter. Could play longer if he rides the bench.
That Riley message was great. I don't know how it's playing out to the public but, for me, it was like "Alright Pat. You're right. Let's do this again."
Still can't believe this.
That Riley message.
Omg what is happening on Lebatard right now. Lololol.
He isn't terrible on D. He easily grabs a double double with a couple of blocks. Any team would welcome that addition.
Man, this was more crushing than losing to the Mavs in the Finals. This was so hard, because this is the right basketball decision, but it still feels so wrong. D-Wade is regressing and last year was his worst year since he was a rookie, his usage/efficiency rate was only higher than Kobe's last year out of 12 who had a similar usage rate. He's older and injury prone, and paying him the money he wanted would have crippled our ability to get FA's next year without a doubt. BUT ITS FUCKING DWYANE TYRONE WADE JR.
He should have retired here, and we will look at this as one of the messiest breakups in sports. Should Riley have given him more respect? Sure, but he made the right decision. This is turning into a league where you have to build a roster to beat the Warriors/Cavs. Wade brings more allure to Miami, but with the Bosh uncertainty, it's hard to know how much farther we can go with him. Now, the team gets blown up. Bosh will either retire or get traded if he plays to make cap. We can have close to 60mil if we trade Dragic, Bosh, & McBob. We use that money to max out one or two guys and this team will effectively be brand new.
Best thing now is to let the rooks play and develop and hope they take the next step. Use the pick to either draft someone when we get into the lottery or trade him for a star. This is crushing, but ultimately the right move.
I'll miss you Dwade, thank you for making me a true fan of basketball.
He should have retired here, and we will look at this as one of the messiest breakups in sports. Should Riley have given him more respect? Sure, but he made the right decision. This is turning into a league where you have to build a roster to beat the Warriors/Cavs. Wade brings more allure to Miami, but with the Bosh uncertainty, it's hard to know how much farther we can go with him. Now, the team gets blown up. Bosh will either retire or get traded if he plays to make cap. We can have close to 60mil if we trade Dragic, Bosh, & McBob. We use that money to max out one or two guys and this team will effectively be brand new.
Best thing now is to let the rooks play and develop and hope they take the next step. Use the pick to either draft someone when we get into the lottery or trade him for a star. This is crushing, but ultimately the right move.
I'll miss you Dwade, thank you for making me a true fan of basketball.
hodayathink
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Heat fans keep talking about having cap space next year. What's the point of having that cap space if no one's coming? Because unless Goran Dragic becomes Kyrie or John Wall, or Winslow becomes the next Wade, none of the super-coveted max guys of 2017 are coming to Miami, no matter what magic you think Riley has. You lost the face of your franchise for the hope of signing a max player next year. Not the certainty, just the hope.
Jag
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Kobe stayed the face of the Lakers and look how well that ended for them. 2017 has a shitload of FA and the Heat will be able to pay. Nothing is guaranteed, but overpaying an aging and injury prone star doesn't help with FA either.
I HATE that Wade left, but it was a decision based on emotion and probably the wrong one. I wished he would have Dirked, but he Kobed instead.
There is a small part of me that feels like Lebron and his "player empowerment" got into Wades head. Making the East that much weaker just benefits Lebron.
hodayathink
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The man's taken less money to help the team for, what, the entire past decade. He's been loyal to a fault. And now, when the Heat do have the money, he asks to get paid and the answer is no, because they hope to be able to pay someone next year? If I'm him, that's about when my loyalty ends, too.
And the Lakers are where they are because of a shitty GM much more than because of Kobe's contract. Oh, and because the league voided the first Chris Paul trade.
Edit: It just annoys me when people get pissed about "player empowerment", but when it comes to rewarding loyal players, it turns to "oh, we have to make a business decision".
Ninja Scooter
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The Lakers are where they are because they shot for the Dwight/Nash combo and it blew up in their face. The Kobe contract was dumb but it's a multitude of factors that led to them bottoming out.
Because we've attracted free agents here since forever? Either we trade for them and they sign here or they come willingly. It's Miami, there's no state tax, and it's an organization that's proven more often than not that they can build a team to win. Since Riley has been here, we've been pretty much competitive since the beginning. Yea, maybe we don't get anyone, but what if Whiteside/Winslow/Richardson blow up? Why do people want to go play for Boston? Do FA's think "Man, I really want to play with that Isaiah Thomas". We might strike out on everyone, maybe not. However, having cap is almost always better than not having cap, just look at the Lakers.
Ninja Scooter
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Have you? You got Bron and Bosh in one fell swoop (probably as much due to Wade than anything else). Aside from that...Alonzo Mourning? Lakers used to think the same thing, even though aside from Shaq in 96 there is no real evidence that free agents will drop everything to leave for LA in free agency. I don't know how you can watch the events of the last 3-5 years and not see a pretty big shift in the way the NBA and it's players operate. The players have much more of the power. Guys want to go to teams where they can win. Top players want to play with other top players. Cap space is no longer valuable. Everybody has it or can get it pretty easily. Market doesn't matter as much. Kevin Durant got a $250 million shoe deal playing in Oklahoma City.
Outdoor Miner
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Signing Wade for the amount he wanted (2yr-50m) would not have prevented the Heat from signing a max player next year if Bosh's salary does indeed come off the books + the planned salary cap increase.
Let's fast forward to next year and which team do you think will have the better chance at signing one of those FA stars? Bulls with Wade and Butler, or Heat with Whiteside and Dragic?
Let's fast forward to next year and which team do you think will have the better chance at signing one of those FA stars? Bulls with Wade and Butler, or Heat with Whiteside and Dragic?
Jag
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Thing is it wasn't about the money. At the end of the day he maybe got $5m more from the Bulls after factoring in the tax change. Not to mention he's got to move his entire family, etc. At his level of wealth, those few millions are negligible.
He didn't go to the Bulls to get paid. He went to the Bulls to say fuck you to Riles and Arison.
He didn't go to the Bulls to get paid. He went to the Bulls to say fuck you to Riles and Arison.
Byakuya769
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Because the Kobe parachute has sent FA after FA to Lakers to sign.
Players don't care about any of that shit. They care about THEIR money, opportunities, staff and teammates.
Dreams-Visions
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Perhaps you're young. The rest of us remember when Miami was a doormat for Jordan, Ewing, Thomas, Grandmama, Shaq and Reggie.
The Heat were only really relevant when Wade was part of the franchise with Shaq, then with LBJ and Chris. Before that uh..Rony Seikaly and Zo? And in the years between Shaq and LBJ they were a 1st round exiting playoff team. The odds of the Heat returning to irrelevancy are higher than them magically luring free agent talent to play for Miami just because.
If that sort of geographical magic worked, the Dolphins would be annual contenders, the Hurricanes would be the best sports college, and the Marlins would be able to underbid to get the talent that everyone else pays out the ass for.
As it turns out, not all that many outside of college vacationers and the wealthy looking to take advantage of favorable taxes give a single fuck about south Florida.
The Heat have attracted FA for a long time and Pat has shown the ability to build contenders. When the Hardaway/Zo combination fell off, he got Brian Grant and Eddie Jones to come with Zo. It's just that Zo got kidney disease and everything fell apart before Wade got here. And even before Wade, we had Caron and Lamarr Odom ready to play alongside him.
As much as Wade helped to build the organization to what it is now, Riley kept his promise to keep the franchise relevant and give Wade teammates to work with.
That shouldn't be ignored. It was a collaboration and neither side should get sole credit.
As much as Wade helped to build the organization to what it is now, Riley kept his promise to keep the franchise relevant and give Wade teammates to work with.
That shouldn't be ignored. It was a collaboration and neither side should get sole credit.
hodayathink
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So your free agent signees of note, the ones you're talking about when saying you've always attracted free agents, are Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom and Caron Butler? I'll put it this way, that's like signing you can sign Chris Paul because you signed Harrison Barnes and Chandler Parsons.
Byakuya769
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How are you defining relevant? Regular playoff appearances, multiple eastern conference finals appearances and an intense Knicks rivalry aren't relevant?
It's strange seeing what use to be the chorus of "bitchmade Wade" (not you, but others) now becoming the champions of "Miami Heat did him dirty and this was a bad basketball move."
I'd rather just appreciate what he's done and what he represents for the franchise, but it's getting harder and harder not to have a real look last year's production...
SparkleMotion
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This is so hilariously wrong.
Outdoor Miner
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What's wrong with his production? Wade played 74 games and finished 4th in PER among SG's (Jimmy Butler was 3rd). Even with another drop in those numbers its still better than what Rose gave us.
SparkleMotion
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Oh, so you want superstars? Talk to me when that becomes an actual ability instead of collusion among the stars themselves to get together. I'm talking FA in general and if the money is there, they'll be interested. They always are.
hodayathink
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Isn't that supposed to be what this whole thing is about? That the reason they wouldn't give him the value contract he wanted (2 years, $50 million) being because they wanted to make sure they had enough cap space next year to go after that class of free agent superstars? The whole reason they waited this long in negotiation being that they wanted to make sure they had room to fit in Kevin Durant if he decided to sign with them (while still retaining Whiteside)?
Most likely. Riley has said many times that he isn't comfortable being a middling team. He wants championships and that's always the goal. He went for broke on Shaq trading away a good core for a win now scenario. If paid off. He stunk it up for two years with a prime Wade to chase after Lebron and Bosh.
The chances aren't good that he'll get what he wants but that's what he's going to try to do regardless of what I think and I'm okay with that. I got three championships in ten years with that method and relevant basketball for twenty.
Ninja Scooter
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Tell that to the Lakers and Knicks
That's why I padded it with "interested". Just cuz they're interested doesn't mean that they'll go. It's a lot more complicated than that of course, but you give yourself a shot with money.
Vestal
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Both teams took a chance but got FUCKED by Melo/Stat and Dwight/Nash. Neither lived up to expectations. Miami took the chance on Shaq, then on Bosh/Bron.
The Heat were relevant before Wade, we had a ECF series, and multiple playoff appearances. hen we signed EJ and Grant, they were as accessories to Zo, who then fell ill with the kidney disease. And we never signed Caron, we drafted him. We brought in Odom who was a good piece and then later traded him for Shaq. We have assets to trade now at the deadline, especially if Bosh is off the books. We can trade Jrich, Dragic, and picks for another star. I mean, in the last 20 years, we've been bad for what, 4 or 5 years? We've consistently shown we can rebuild quickly to become competitive.
If you're asking me if FA's had to decide between playing with Wade/Butler/Rondo and whoever is left in Miami, it's Miami. Listen, Wade is pretty good, but he's REGRESSING, his efficiency has gone down. Now you have 3 people in your rotation who work best with the ball in their hands and none of them shoot well. In an age where perimeter shooting has become so dominant, you know have 3 starters who aren't capable of that anymore. Wade shot a career low in 2pt% last year as well, so he's gotten worse at what he used to do best. He was amazing in the playoff series vs CHA and TOR, but you won't get that night in/night out.
Dwade for 20mil/yr is a good deal for US, because of his IMPACT on our community. For other people, it's a bad use of resources. I think we tank this year and maybe get a top 3 pick next year and flip the player we draft for someone else and then sign FA's that way. Another scenario is Bosh plays the whole yer and we offload him in the offseason. We are definitely going to look into the trading market, because that's how we scored all of our other players. Zo was traded for, Shaq was traded for.
I know they want a run at Westbrook/Griffin next year, I see us getting a shot at maybe Blake, because I personally think Russ is going to be either a Laker or a Clipper. If he stays with the Clippers, maybe Blake stays there too, but LAC doesn't have the cap for both.
And yea, maybe we suck and we keep our pick because they believe in him and in 3-4 years we build around the young guys we have. I believe the team will be good again and I' not really upset about that. I'm more upset that we didn't give Wade a fair shake considering how important he is to the franchise. EIther way, I'm rooting for the team and for Dwade, I think I'm buying a Bulls jersey, because I love that man
If you're asking me if FA's had to decide between playing with Wade/Butler/Rondo and whoever is left in Miami, it's Miami. Listen, Wade is pretty good, but he's REGRESSING, his efficiency has gone down. Now you have 3 people in your rotation who work best with the ball in their hands and none of them shoot well. In an age where perimeter shooting has become so dominant, you know have 3 starters who aren't capable of that anymore. Wade shot a career low in 2pt% last year as well, so he's gotten worse at what he used to do best. He was amazing in the playoff series vs CHA and TOR, but you won't get that night in/night out.
Dwade for 20mil/yr is a good deal for US, because of his IMPACT on our community. For other people, it's a bad use of resources. I think we tank this year and maybe get a top 3 pick next year and flip the player we draft for someone else and then sign FA's that way. Another scenario is Bosh plays the whole yer and we offload him in the offseason. We are definitely going to look into the trading market, because that's how we scored all of our other players. Zo was traded for, Shaq was traded for.
I know they want a run at Westbrook/Griffin next year, I see us getting a shot at maybe Blake, because I personally think Russ is going to be either a Laker or a Clipper. If he stays with the Clippers, maybe Blake stays there too, but LAC doesn't have the cap for both.
And yea, maybe we suck and we keep our pick because they believe in him and in 3-4 years we build around the young guys we have. I believe the team will be good again and I' not really upset about that. I'm more upset that we didn't give Wade a fair shake considering how important he is to the franchise. EIther way, I'm rooting for the team and for Dwade, I think I'm buying a Bulls jersey, because I love that man
Probably best for the Heat that Wade is gone. What FAs are going to want to run with old-man Wade sputtering up 19pts and demanding the ball for his < 30 minutes a game? You wanna play with LeBron and Steph, not Kobe. And Wade is Kobe at this point. If you're a FA you want someone who's either better than you, or to be the alpha-dog. You can't play with an "alpha" who's significantly worse than you. It doesn't work.
Dreams-Visions
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Be sure that your next post includes all the Conference and NBA Championship banners they won:
a.) Before DWade arrived
b.) When Neither Shaq nor LBJ were on the roster with him.
Don't worry; I'll wait. The Heat were at best a decent team (the Zo years) and at worst a bottom feeder. As you would expect of an expansion franchise, really. And they were always getting dumped out of the playoffs on the occasions they got there by the aforementioned.
Please name how many rings Chicago won before MJ was there, during his brief retirement, and after he left for good. Don't worry I'll wait.
Alex Stroud
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Both sides win. Wade gets one last good payday, and the Heat rid themselves of the albatross Wade is certain to become. He'll make Kobe's degeneration look graceful in comparison.
The worst part about this is the Nets trying to give Tyler Johnson 50Mil. We have to match it and keep him, no choice really even if its a stupid contract.
It will still be fun to see winslow, josh and tyler grow. Even with a fully healthy bosh, we are still gonna be a low east seeded team.
This sucks
It will still be fun to see winslow, josh and tyler grow. Even with a fully healthy bosh, we are still gonna be a low east seeded team.
This sucks
I don't think we make the playoffs this year, I'm pretty sure they don't want Bosh to play again to clear the cap. Skolnick was saying that the Bosh-Heat split might even be worse than the Wade one. Looks like it'll only be worse, but hey, it will be fun to see a young team rebuild and hopefully we get someone next year or in a couple of years we'll be pretty good. If there was ever a time to rebuild in the NBA, now is the right time considering that it's a 2 team league at this point
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