The real problem with using guns exclusively, more than running out of ammo, is the fact that firing a weapon automatically spawns a bunch of zombies that charge at you. Basically, the only way to kill all the zombies in an area and make it temporarily safe is with a melee weapon. If you keep shooting zombies with loud-ass guns, they will keep coming forever.
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Dying Light IOTI A dead island on the mirror's edge.
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FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
So, turns out there is one closet with a zombie inside. All other closets in this game only have items, so you think you're safe opening them... nope. I panicked so hard I almost screamed
Fuck. thanks for the heads up.
Since the start of the game, Every time I open a closet in the game Ive been expecting something crazy in there. It's got that ominous camera zoom like when you open doors in the old RE games.
Didn't know there is a New Game +. Now i have an excuse to beat the game again
hnnnnnng I didn't know either. yesssss
Collateral22
Member
Yeah reviews have gone really petty. I have a very select few I will actually take on board. Gotta respect opinions though, I played Singularity and Dishonored pretty much back to back, Singularity is a solid 9 in my eyes, where as the critically acclaimed Dishonered is a 5/6 at most for me.
NullPointer
Member
And there goes my next weekend. Hah.
I use firearms exclusively for indoor areas (quarantine zones,etc)
Yeah, I kind of forgot about the Q-Zones in my last post, firearms are definitely the way to do those, and they're actually a TON of fun.
Quarantine zones? When do I get to those?
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
As soon as you walk up and inspect one. Try examining the grocery store next time you're around there.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Nah.
Second area is OK, but its half the size, no open areas at all and most of the buildings look the same. Like an Assassins Creed Venice. Gone are the cool buildings such as schools and grocery stores. Its just cut and paste buildings. There's a couple of buildings which are a little different, but that's it.
TheCanisDirus
Member
This should have been in spoilers.
I understand and agree with that. I guess I should be more specific, in that I enjoyed parkouring around the second area more.
The taller buildings are more complicated to climb up and swinging around with the grappling hook is a treat
Lord of Castamere
Member
Dead Island having a higher MC then this is a fucking travesty.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Done, just remove my quote now. Sorry.
Yeah, second area is definitely better for parkour. A lot better.
RadAndrew502
Member
Guys! Don't forget about the companion app. Easy materials, medkits, and stuff.
It works exactly like the Assassins Creed side missions where you send you Assassins out on missions.
Piece of cake.
It works exactly like the Assassins Creed side missions where you send you Assassins out on missions.
Piece of cake.
SolidChamp
Banned
In my eyes, it reeks of critics being salty about not getting review code on time.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
I'm with you 100%. So you think DL is worth a look then?
I've run into three instances where these crafty sumbitches
have tossed bombers behind doors so I sprint in an kick or hit them and die immediately. This has caught me twice. Really enjoying the game so far. Having a blast with coop. About to move on to the second area, just finishing up some side stuff.
Techland
SuperSonic1305
Member
Why the fuck do zombies ignore Rais' men? Makes fighting them a chore. I should be able to toss them into a group of zombies.
bonesmccoy
Banned
Hmm. I've had no problems kiting thugs into swarms of zombies, or using explosions/loud noises to draw virals toward an occupied air drop. In fact, I've not yet been able to successfully take on any humie enemies without leveraging zombies in some way.
Living Proof
Member
You're right-- it's a good way to attract zombies and the ever-persistent virals. That's one of the more obvious reasons to stick with melee as well, but I blanked on mentioning it.
FairXchange
Member
Great reason to stop putting any consideration into reviews. User reviews is pretty much the only thing we've got, a system like Steam's works best.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Some folks would absolutely state that it didn't affect them but I wouldn't buy that for everyone. I just got done writing my review for the game this morning. I've played everyday since I got it last Monday. It should help boost that metacritic score if only a bit.
I must be playing a completely different game than these reviewers. I personally find this game just as or even more enjoyable as per say Far cry 3 or 4. It makes 0 sense that this game is getting shit on worse than dead island. I mean come on! Dying light improves in almost every way compared to dead island!
She's certainly the most compelling character in the game
This might all be a little off topic, but she deputized Dying Light into this argument
My direct response to that would be the same question I asked above... accepting the premise that it's a plot device, and not at all reliant on the traits of the character being termed a "damsel in distress" when the device is used: is then any scenario in which a female character is kidnapped in a game not necessarily a damsel in distress? By describing a number of subtypes in her videos, she ropes into this category characters as disparate as Peach, Angel from Borderlands (I'm thinking she actually belongs to the same purported subcategory as Jade), Emily in Dishonored, and Princess What's-Her-Name from Earthworm Jim. To me this indicates strongly that it would be impossible to construct a scenario in a game in which any female character is kidnapped without conforming to some version or another of this trope.
Because of the wide variety of examples used, it isn't clear that the damsel in distress scenario necessarily requires the kidnapping to be the main impetus for a male protagonist's quest (certainly not even close to the case in Dying Light, which she's of course saying is guilty of the trope), or if anything changes if the damsel's rescue has any other implications besides motivating a male protagonist's actions. Indeed, it would seem that qualifying as a damsel in distress by Sarkeesian's interpretation of media means a) being kidnapped or otherwise imprisoned/placed in peril and b) being female.
That's troubling to me, because avoiding the trope altogether (not subverting it or deconstructing it- merely not using it) might then involve wrapping every female character that appears in a videogame in plot cellophane, while ostensibly all the male characters would be ripe for the plucking... presumably because they aren't "traditionally" placed in danger. If your female characters can't get kidnapped, you're necessarily treating them differently than male characters because they're female.
This seems incredibly limiting from the perspective of writing three-dimensional scenarios that make sense and serve a larger narrative with more interesting goals than "hero rescues damsel." If your game strives for anything more than that basic plot structure, merely containing the kidnapping of a female character means it now "has a Damsel in Distress storyline." So put another way: in 2015, women can't get kidnapped in fiction anymore. What? That's such an inadequate representation of the theme, which has been around since antiquity, that it almost cheapens the validity of her calling out the many actual instances of this trope in gaming narratives, be it the very first appearance of Princess Peach or Beatrice in Dante's Inferno.
I'd argue that stipulating that being a "damsel in distress" is unrelated to the character traits of the damsel in question is a tacit reduction of that character to "a female," which is exactly what we shouldn't do if we're trying to encourage more well-written female characters that don't conform to traditional androcentric tropes.
She clarifies that
There's also the point that Rais is wrong. The writers aren't describing Jade as "something of yours," the character is doing that. You're not meant to view his description of the situation as accurate, you're meant to be disgusted by it. "Something of mine "....bitch, that's the fucking Scorpion you're talking about.
What really got me is that in her video series, after casting this net which I'd argue establishes a definition of Damsel in Distress that is far too broad, she goes into her idea for a potential game to serve as a deconstruction of the trope. When I was watching for the first time, I thought to myself, "okay, this is where it will get interesting"- I may not have agreed with her premise of what constitutes a Damsel in Distress, but I'm fascinated at how she would want to subvert it if designing her own game.
Unfortunately...
In other words, it's a traditional action-adventure wherein the first scene involves the main character being imprisoned awaiting rescue, and decides to engineer an escape instead. What makes this a unique, ideal subversion of the trope is that the character in question is a woman.
That... sucks. I won't purport to be able to speak to how female gamers should feel about this proposed game, but anyone who cares about writing compelling characters with depth regardless of gender should be insulted by it. Essentially what she's saying is that by far the most important attribute her protagonist has in this game is that she's female. Everything about the design forces the protagonist to scream "Look! I'm just as capable and awesome at all this stuff as a male character would be!" It's such a basic and shallow and patronizing concept. Frozen did a better job of subverting the damsel in distress trope than her game would. Her idea is along the exact lines of what happens at the end of Enchanted; more of a parody than a deconstruction (ha-ha! it's the girl doing the saving!).
That's a real problem. If you want to offer a thoughtful deconstruction of a long-held trope in fiction, you have to reach for more than that.
Ironically, Jade Aldemir features many of the qualities she wants to ascribe to her idealized anti-damsel protagonist- she's courageous, strong, cunning, intelligent- but the fact that she is female is borderline irrelevant to the narrative. She is a character, not a vehicle for the subversion of traditionally reinforced gender roles in fiction. The idea that because she is captured and needs help it necessarily converts her into the tried-and-true Damsel in Distress plot device is a hard sell for me. After all, Sarkeesian isn't opposed to all instances of female characters needing help from male characters (bizarrely, the CC on her video identifies Jade from BGAE as 'Jane,' but whatever). And... Dying Light isn't at all a particularly well-written game. It just isn't guilty of this particular vice. So what are we really talking about here?
Seems a little like Sarkeesian is largely unwilling to consider nuance, even if it might be extremely relevant. I'm thinking her work suffers from the old syndrome: if all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
lol why the difference between ps4 and xb1, they are identical right?
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
She's certainly the most compelling character in the game
Seems a little like Sarkeesian is largely unwilling to consider nuance, even if it might be extremely relevant. I'm thinking her work suffers from the old syndrome: if all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
She is a strong woman though her writing is not at all "weak"
WheelHoss1
Member
The world alone deserves at least a 7.5.
The panic this game instills in me when I'm trying to get to a safe house at 3 AM isn't a feeling state or a level of immersion I associate with a game deserving a 60s Metacritic score.
The panic this game instills in me when I'm trying to get to a safe house at 3 AM isn't a feeling state or a level of immersion I associate with a game deserving a 60s Metacritic score.
AmateurHour212
Member
While I agree with what you said, why are we paying so much attention to what some angry, misguided, feminist posts to her Twitter about a video game? Is she like the "Queen Feminist" or something?
LoserMakesGood
Member
This game is so fun. I'm really glad I decided to pick it up.
Was planning to finish Far Cry 4 and Dragon Age before The Order came out but I haven't even touched another game since I got this. Co-op can be amazing if you can get a group that does more than just stand around 70% of the time.
Was planning to finish Far Cry 4 and Dragon Age before The Order came out but I haven't even touched another game since I got this. Co-op can be amazing if you can get a group that does more than just stand around 70% of the time.
Majmun
Member
Yeah, but the Ps4 version counts more reviews. 19 Ps4 reviews vs 6 X1 reviews.
Tried to spend more than 10 minutes in VR with this game and I'm literally spinning. Feel like I'm going to throw up. The head tracking isn't quite right nor is the sense of scale and the speed and animation of the game are just too much for it. It's neat to see but, man, unplayable for me. Never felt this ill before from a VR experience.
Some of the things she says have merit but she is quite prone to incorrectly label things as well. What she claims about Dying Light is not correct, I believe. There is nothing sexist about the way this games story proceeds. It definitely shines some negative light on her methods in my eyes.
She has a lot of people's attention right now.
Some of the things she says have merit but she is quite prone to incorrectly label things as well. What she claims about Dying Light is not correct, I believe. There is nothing sexist about the way this games story proceeds. It definitely shines some negative light on her methods in my eyes.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Lookie what I found!
Can't pick them up......
Can't pick them up......
ambar_hitman
Member
The fact that this game is sitting at below 80 metacritic is baffling and disgusting. I have clocked around 8 hrs now and this is a 9/10 game for me. Critics who gave this game below 7 have lost all credibility.
I feel like critics initially punished this game because of the lack of review codes going out. They want to get reviews out quickly and will err towards the negative rather than the positive. It was an idiot move to hold back review copies on whomever's head that rests.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I think she's somewhat offbase, but not wholly wrong. I don't think this falls under the trope, simply because everything bad happens to everybody. Every character with more than 4 lines of dialogue - including Crane - needs rescuing. It's more or less the theme of the game. People need to work together to survive. At the beginning everybody is separated. Some in the tower, some with Rais, Crane with the GRE, and Jade being sort of a faction of one. It's not damseling within the context of the game and since the game gives no indication that Jade and Crane are even more than somewhat close work colleagues, Rais - the bad guy - saying what he says is an assumption.
That being said, that line and the taunting from Rais along the way was within keeping with the trope if that's the only part of the game you're looking at. I think if she approached it like that, rather than attempting to take the devs to task over a game she clearly hasn't played and is only responded to because of out of context Tweets, there could be a great discussion.
It's a damn shame that you either have to agree with Anita's POV, or you're a #GG/redpiller. She often makes good points, but it sort of feels like she's letting the notariaty go to her head. She's just off the mark here.
That being said, that line and the taunting from Rais along the way was within keeping with the trope if that's the only part of the game you're looking at. I think if she approached it like that, rather than attempting to take the devs to task over a game she clearly hasn't played and is only responded to because of out of context Tweets, there could be a great discussion.
It's a damn shame that you either have to agree with Anita's POV, or you're a #GG/redpiller. She often makes good points, but it sort of feels like she's letting the notariaty go to her head. She's just off the mark here.
Revolutionary
Member
Really weird references in this game. Just stumbled on a PvZ easter egg and then a Star Trek one shortly after.
old manatee
Banned
Anita is obviously wrong about this one, and it looks like she is planning on staying that way.
franknbeans
Member
reminds me of an 80s zombie movie. I thought some of the music was take straight from old zombie movies
psychotron
Member
This game kicks ass. I've finally been able to dig in a bit and the side missions are just as good as the story missions. It runs very well for how nice it looks too.
Ardenyal
Member
A trope doesn't define an entire game or type of media. Go to TV Tropes and look up your favorite show (assuming it's there). See all of the associated tropes. Some of those tropes describe something that maybe took up a minute of a single episode of that show. It doesn't mean the trope is not a valid description of that episode or part of that show.
Anita pointing out the "Damsel in Distress" sequence in this game doesn't make the game worse or bad. FYI, she's right. The trope exactly describes what happens at this point in the game. People need to fucking relax and realize that people criticizing games are not attacking them. They are simply pointing out where things like this exist so that it sparks a conversation.
Anita pointing out the "Damsel in Distress" sequence in this game doesn't make the game worse or bad. FYI, she's right. The trope exactly describes what happens at this point in the game. People need to fucking relax and realize that people criticizing games are not attacking them. They are simply pointing out where things like this exist so that it sparks a conversation.