Those aren't the same thing.
It's not fair, but the worst things that people can do to each other go far beyond any reasonable sentence the state can give them.
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
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It's not fair, but the worst things that people can do to each other go far beyond any reasonable sentence the state can give them.
I think some of you live in ivory towers and have no real comprehension of how some of these people are. There is no rehabilitation, no restorative justice, nothing but pure 'evil' in a Disney sense. Someone like Dylann is so fucked up there is nothing to be gained by keeping him alive except hundreds of thousands of dollars a year of taxpayer money going down the drain. If you work with some of these violent offenders you start to realize there is no humanity. They'd snap your neck in a second and it wouldn't effect them at all.
A lot of the responses in this thread about not giving him the death penalty make it clear to me why overwhelmingly people of colour are given the death penalty and on death row and why so many white offenders are given life. Saying you wanted to give him life so he could suffer 23 hours a day in a cell isn't rational. He is still a danger to himself and others, plus a burden on humanity and society.
5 years of criminology, 3 years of restorative justice work, 2 years of pre-trial work and working with John Howard Society helping offenders, you see things more clearly. I would give Dylann Roof the death penalty in a heartbeat and move on help those who want and need the help.
A lot of the responses in this thread about not giving him the death penalty make it clear to me why overwhelmingly people of colour are given the death penalty and on death row and why so many white offenders are given life. Saying you wanted to give him life so he could suffer 23 hours a day in a cell isn't rational. He is still a danger to himself and others, plus a burden on humanity and society.
5 years of criminology, 3 years of restorative justice work, 2 years of pre-trial work and working with John Howard Society helping offenders, you see things more clearly. I would give Dylann Roof the death penalty in a heartbeat and move on help those who want and need the help.
Melkezadek
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That is your opinion and I respect it.
minor effort
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I don't care what Dylan Roof wants.
I'm not going to argue against the guilt of Dylan Roof either.
I'll just say that when I oppose capital punishment because it can (and likely has) executed innocent people and it's a failing to allow that to happen when there's an option to imprison somebody for life, it leads me to the conclusion that capital punishment should be abolished fully.
I don't let the nature, or the perpetrator, or even my visceral reaction to the heinousness of the crimes sway that. It's a conviction on my part.
Coffee Dog
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but he's still going to cost taxpayer money because it is not an easy process to execute someone
and if you dare say that we expedite his execution while in the same breath invoke how biased the system is against people of color i think you need to take a big step back
I stand corrected. Was the jury from inside or outside SC?
Forerunner
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There is only one Federal Supermax, ADX Florence.
The Salt Life
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My opinion, I'm ok with this, people will say "but that's what he wanted"
Sure that's what he says, until the minutes and seconds before it happens. It's not going to be what he wanted. He will die scared and that's all we can hope for.
Sure that's what he says, until the minutes and seconds before it happens. It's not going to be what he wanted. He will die scared and that's all we can hope for.
IdreamofHIME
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Bad verdict. Let the little shit rot, death is an easy escape.
SliceSabre
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What he did was a horrible crime and he deserves strict punishment, however I still stand that I cannot support the death penalty under any circumstance. Let him rot in prison for his crimes and considering his age he'll be there a long, long, long time.
And that's how innocent people get killed, because the jury "knows they did it".
I'm against death penalty in ALL circumstances. I would rather keep the worst people in the world alive if it means ensuring not one innocent soul loses their life through such a barbaric punishment.
Neither does keeping them locked up in a cell. Good riddance.
But only one of the two is prone to killing innocent people...
George Washington
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Good riddance.
You're right, but Dylann Roof isn't "just" going to be spending his life in prison, he's most likely going to spend most of it in a small isolated cell without any human contact.
It's claimed to be for security purposes, but we both know it's because they want to punish him further.
He definetly does. But our system isn't about vengance, it's about justice, and there's no just way to kill someone.
I think that's what I was getting at. States in the south are far more pro death penalty, meaning their populace is as well.
Tarkus
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Doesn't matter. He'll be a hero to some wherever he goes. Let's financially support his wellbeing and lifestyle. That's what most want in here.
Melkezadek
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And Dylann Roof is not innocent.
Well at least in this case there's no ambiguity!
Here's the thing. I don't like eating fast food after 10pm. But when the club lets out and its 2am and the whole squad wants to eat some smothered burritos I'm not gonna order a salad. Maybe if Taco Bell didn't exist things would be different.
Jury plays little, to no, role in this case. He never denied he did it.
They're the ones who gave the death penalty sentance. I'd say they played a pretty big role in this case.
DontBeThatGuy
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100% against the death penalty and think it should be completely abolished, no half measures...
...But whatever.
...that's cheaper.
...But whatever.
...that's cheaper.
Coffee Dog
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The death penalty costs a shitload of tax dollars. It's an extremely lengthy process so that innocents aren't killed.
And again, if you say "there was no ambiguity" "it was so clear cut" "it's just so obvious" in order to bypass the process, that is how you lead to innocent people getting killed.
Tarkus
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But that video evidence and confession
If people like you two had your way, those boys that got jailed for allegedly raping that woman would be dead right now.
I remember Trump advocating that the penalty should be Brought back, and they were just recently released being proven innocent...
You feel free to have bloodlust, but every innocent death will always be on people like you. Mistakes can always happen, and the penalty is unacceptable.
The death penalty costs more than life on average.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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HiredN00bs
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To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. People shouldn't be incarcerated after committing crimes because they should be in mental health care before and instead of committing them.
You're saying you would find it morally acceptable to kill someone because the money used to keep them alive would be better spent somewhere else, if retribution is truly not informing your position.
Angelus Errare
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Death penalty costs more tax dollars than life in prison.
Melkezadek
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Bullshit. This isn't one of those cases. I believe that every case is different and should be handled accordingly.
No one in here has been disrespectful of one another's stances. Get off your high horse.
minor effort
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Everything about the justice system costs money. Whether Roof is imprisoned for life or executed, he's going to be a financial burden either way.
There's a lot of people convicted of heinous crimes that were never up for the death penalty getting fed meals and given beds that taxpayers pay for. It's just part of the reality of the justice and prison system.
A confession does not always mean guilty... I'm reminded of the case of a man that ended up confessing to hundreds of murders.
Turns out he was mentally ill and they only realised he couldn't have done it when they noticed several of the murders happened at the same time in completely different areas making it impossible.
EstoyBlackWaldo
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One of the few posts in here with sense. Bingo on the ivory tower. Some fantasy pipe dreams that some of these people have that this world will ever improve on something it doesn't seek to improve. People kill and most that do have no remorse and couldn't give two fucks about being rehabilitated. No point keeping someone that would likely do it again in a heartbeat around.
Coffee Dog
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What standard do you want to be set here? That video evidence absolves one to the pesky burdens of the legal system?
Do tell, where do you draw the line? How are you going to ensure no innocent will get killed? I'm very intrested in hearing.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost
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