That may be the case (I haven't looked at any opinion polling on capital punishment recently), but I think juries in most states would have voted the same way. Tsarnaev got death from a federal jury in Massachusetts, for instance (though he's appealed). Both were terrorist acts that killed kids as well as adults; that cuts deep for people.
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
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That may be the case (I haven't looked at any opinion polling on capital punishment recently), but I think juries in most states would have voted the same way. Tsarnaev got death from a federal jury in Massachusetts, for instance (though he's appealed). Both were terrorist acts that killed kids as well as adults; that cuts deep for people.
Your position is predicated on the idea that mistakes could NEVER be made. I don't believe that for a second, we are human, making mistakes are in our nature. Keeping the penalty will ALWAYS run the risk of killing an innocent.
Wow, this is the hill you want to die on? Dylan Roof? And making out people happy justice is being served to be just like Donald Trump?
Fucking unreal.
Coffee Dog
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The hill he wants to die on is innocents potentially getting executed by our legal system, lol. That's a hell of a hill.
Melkezadek
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Please explain the plethora of other nations without the death penalty that have vastly lower crime and recidivism rates.
DontBeThatGuy
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Indeed.
Our justice system, any justice system is gonna make mistakes(or be biased in some way), and quite a few death row inmates have gotten exonerated, and you have to imagine many more have died, or will potentially die because of it's existence. Death row is also expensive, and frankly, blood lust ain't a good look, and doesn't actually solve anything.
It should get the fuck out. (but again, I'm not gonna put too much effort into this)
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That's quite the fucking leap to conclusions you've made. :lol
me: "There's no ambiguity in the Dylan Roof case, they will not be putting an innocent man to death"
you an intellectual: *vaguely bungles an attempt at shaming me over a completely different case and compares me to Trump, assumes I have bloodlust and blames me for every innocent death*
Nice, you got me.
That's fair. We look at acts of terror very differently, death penalty wise. Though I'm somewhat surprised MA still has the death penalty.
No. Answer the question. Innocent people die dude. They have in the past and will in the future. Juries were absolutely sure of someones guilt before, and they turned out to be innocent. Shit, innoce t people have been cowrced into confessing on camera about murdering and raping. Short of abolishing the death penalty, how do you stop innocents from dying?
ugaboga232
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Since no one wanted to google it, here is forbes on the matter: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph...enalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/#577936e817f0
As a future medical professional and as a neuroscience researcher, I think this is a very sad outcome of a very sad event. Though I guess I am biased given what I know of how the brain works.
Also solitary confinement is definitely torture, it destroys the brain if it happens over any period of time (I can find the papers again if anyone wants receipts).
As a future medical professional and as a neuroscience researcher, I think this is a very sad outcome of a very sad event. Though I guess I am biased given what I know of how the brain works.
Also solitary confinement is definitely torture, it destroys the brain if it happens over any period of time (I can find the papers again if anyone wants receipts).
I'm not defending what he's done. And there is no "hill". I believe the penalty is never an option, because as long as it exists mistakes can be made.
Is this one of those mistakes? I don't think so, but the EXISTENCE of the penalty is what I oppose because it can, has, and will continue killing people that are innocent.
The example I put was pointing out what COULD have happened if the death penalty was in place.
Roof's case is not that. The two are not alike in any way at all whatsoever.
Coffee Dog
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what standard are you using to determine this? If said standard is based on nothing but your whims, how could that standard of individually decided apparent guilt not be used by others on potentially innocent people?
A justice system can't be based on individual cases.
PHOENIXZERO
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Waste of money, should've just given him life with no parole and let him rot, it'd been cheaper.
EstoyBlackWaldo
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What does that have to do with what I said? I'm talking about this specific case.
If you want to start talking about how abolishing the death penalty lowers crime in other nations over America be my guest. But don't forget to pull up some reciepts with that order.
Simon Belmont
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I don't agree with the death penalty, but at the same time I don't need to be unhappy about every time it's handed out.
Is he really "suffering" in jail? People like this have no remorse, no chance of rehabilitation. He isn't gonna wake up in the middle of the night bothered by all the wrongs he's done.
No, he will sleep soundly on a clean bed every night in an air conditioned, comfortable environment with his every need paid off by you and me while the victims of family members shed tears every night unable to ever forget this painful memory.
Theres nothing wrong that but don't tell me they're suffering or rotting in prison. Don't tell me death is the easier way out. Thats bullshit.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph...enalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work/#65ef90b117f0
Forbes good enough for you?
Melkezadek
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The standard where he's ON TAPE ADMITTING IT.
I mean, are people kidding me? I'm not responding to any one anytime. You have the right to believe in what absolutes you want. This man killed 9 INNOCENT people with no regrets. Fuck him.
Coffee Dog
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The point is that "obviously apparent guilt" is not a definable, measurable metric and could be (and fucking has been) used against innocent people. It's a piss poor argument for having someone killed.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I don't have a problem with the application of the death penalty, which is currently a part of the justice system, here.
I am serious. Dylan Roof is the 100% guilty, but the death penalty is never ok. As long as it exists, innocent people will die.
Just like the Central Park 5 and Norfolk Four huh. Oh, wait...
DontBeThatGuy
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That's a healthy mentality.
You know the DP is only more expensive than life in prison when the convict files appeal after appeal, right? Roof, who was his own lawyer, won't be doing that (I don't think).
Nice deflection, my point was that the reason those innocent could very well be dead. They spent 20 years in prison before being declared innocent!
ugaboga232
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Do you really believe that? Do you really think psychology and psychiatry and neurology won't have the tools to rehabilitate him?
Cool fine, lets get rid of it cause innocent people might die.
But I'm not going to get up and shout cause Dylan Roof's dying for his crimes. Time and a place. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I'm sorry are we talking about Dylan Roof or you're vague other case?
Gordon Shumway
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lol..I tell ya, Duck.
Coffee Dog
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The reason that you are okay with it (the "obviously apparent guilt" argument) has led to the deaths of innocent people. Of course nobody is shedding tears for Roof, but the arguments used advocating his execution are shaky as shit.
So video evidence is where the troublesome legal system should stop applying to a person?
While I do not think there is any doubt in Roof's case, saying that the death penalty is okay in cases where the accused has confessed doesn't really get rid of the problem of innocent people being executed, because innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit on a depressingly regular basis.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/q...cle_c3c83c55-965c-5741-a5f0-295d4db17c55.html
FortuneFaded
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Sounds like a Yelp review of a Hilton hotel.
I think it has to do with legal costs and process. Keeping a person alive doesn't cost much especially when we consider the QoL of inmates of this calibre. Mostly paying for security and upkeep likely.
No, do you?
Do you really believe we have a chance to rehabilitate people like "him"? What does rehabilitation mean to you?
Exactly, some people just snap, I don't think this man is innocent, but this kind of stuff does happen, and isn't always Vought before it's too late.
The person you agreed with claimed that the death penalty frees up resources that can be used reduce crime and recidivism.
You VASTLY underestimate the psychological effects of being incarcerated.
This is just like the Breivik-thread where people went "He has food, books, a bed and a TV? FOR FREE? Man, I'd love to have that!"
Better than a Hilton cuz Hilton don't pay for surgerieshttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1331949
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Definitely. Hasn't had a single negative effect on my so far lol.
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Vilix
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I'll loose no sleep over this decision.
PHOENIXZERO
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We'll see, I'm counting on DP appeals and I see living the rest of your life in prison as a more severe punishment but if someone somehow manages to get to him during that time, oh well.
Do you not see how you're literally ignoring factual evidence about how the Death Penalty is harmful, just to satisfy your bloodlust?
It's more expensive, it's prone to failure, it does nothing to deter crime, as we can see in many other countries.
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