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[Art Teitlebaum]

Sony's presentation was a solid C. But without the fantastic PSV price tag it was just a boring D+ and on par with MS. The true winners are the 3rd parties.
Now Nintendo is to serve. A little bit cafe and they easily could dominate this E3.

 

[Zen]

I'm surprised that Dust from CCP is going pretty ignored, I think they're going to be doing some very interesting things with that,

 

[Wag]

There already are a few 24" 3D PC displays <$500 so Sony is not alone in that dept (and yes, they have HDMI ports).

 

[Dambrosi]

It was a...good conference, I felt. Not great, but certainly way better than Microsoft's massive fail-train earlier on.

No surprises, really, except for the new (and welcome) tactic of giving away old games free with new games (especially in BoobieShock's case). Otherwise, the Vita price(s) was much lower than I was expecting, but I still think it's still too focused on giving the user "big screen" gaming on a small screen, third-party support (at least as seen at the conference) looked anemic, and I believe the tie-up with AT&T might be a misstep, but we'll see. One wonders how much Sony have to be losing on each unit sold, though - not that that's strange territory for them, considering their history. No mention of Monster Hunter Vita yet, either. Ah, I'll get one when the modders have done their worst on it, and I can do some sweet homebrew.

The PS 3D monitor - hmm, I don't know what 3DTVs of that screen size usually go for in the States, but $499 sounds a bit much, even with the "freebies" included. I mean, you can get a decent length HDMI cable for a few quid now, so if they say that the "freebies" are a $150 value, and R3 is a $50 value, then that means that the glasses must be upwards of $90? Preposterous. Even with that "no split-screen" thingy.

Ruin looked like a poor Diablo clone, Medieval Moves looked like Dragon Quest Swords, Uncharted Vita's touch melee and "draw to climb" mechanics looked stupid, and I can't remember much else, other than Little Big Planet Vita looking exactly how you'd expect.

To be honest, I enjoyed the Ubisoft conference more, if only because the Frenchies were presumably trying to recapture the spirit of the Konami 2010 presser. Shakespearian odes to work colleagues and goofy beardie-weirdies stomping on Rabbids go a long way to producing lulz, and Rayman, Driver: SF and GRFW looked sweet as.

@ Zen: It depends on if you have to pay a monthly fee like EVE Online or not. Otherwise, it looked like HaloField 3: Future Warfare

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which is a good thing

 

[Ninja Scooter]

seriously though? It looked okay, framerates aside, but it just seems like another lamb to the FPS slaughter.

Are people here hyped about Dust? Not just "interested", but hyped?

in concept it sounds kinda cool. If you htought they were just announcing another FPS you're kinda missing the point.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

^ I think it will have to compete against them regardless. I think that's the point I'm trying to make. Would you say you're excited about what you saw of it (as opposed to moderately interested)?

Can it double as a PC Monitor?

I'm not sure, but I believe it's a monitor (no TV tuner). Can someone clarify?

 

[dreamfall]

Will we ever see Agent? I enjoyed Vita news, I just wanted even the slightest mention of that game!

 

[Riposte]

I find it funny that year after year people fail to get their expectations in check and are disappointed by E3. It's not a "LETS SHOW EVERY GAME WE ARE WORKING ON ESPECIALLY ALL THE ONES THE GUYS ON MESSAGE BOARDS WANT TO SEE!" show. It's a "These are the games that are going to get retailers and casual gamers happy and get us news bites on CNN and USA Today" show.

Almost every game Sony showed was something that could get quite a few threads and pages on NeoGAF. Most of the Vita stuff, Resistance, Bioshock Infinite, NBA 2k12, Uncharted 3, Sly, etc etc. Basically they appealed to "core" gamers which has been the number 1 complaint for every conference since a year after the Wii was revealed. I am seeing what makes or breaks a conference is nothing but "MY #1 FAVORITE GAME IS SHOWN" and "THEY BLEW UP THE EARTH WITH A SUPRISE REVEAL!". High expectations indeed...

 

[TheExodu5]

Dust 514 needs more hype. More promising than any other shooter shown at E3.

 

[The Lamp]

I haven't seen either of the conferences yet, but both sound really disappointing. No real "oh shit" reveals or megatons. We knew Sly was coming.

But at least Sony kills in the quality software department. Microsoft has nothing even like a Sly Cooper game on their platform.

 

[Xenon]

This should be on the first page of this threaD

I thought thiswas cool as well. But, it's only great if you already own a 3D tv. Otherwise 600 can get you a small tv and another ps3.

Also this will send a person into epileptic shocking death if view without glasses.

 

[jamesinclair]

Uncharted = FPS with space marines

Yep, this is making a lot of sense guys. Stupid core games!

And MS had sesame street. Neither was 100% FPS, but eventually, they all started to blur together.

And when icelandic guy came out, my thought was "OMG, the very first brand new IP of the entire day!!!!!"......and it was a first person space shooter. Yawn.


Seriously, I can count the number of brand new non-FPS revealed in all the conferences on my pinky finger (The Vita RPG).

Maybe it's just me, but I remember the day where shooters came in all kinds of forms, like Ikaruga and Crimson Skies. And there were platforming games like Spyro, Banjo Kazzoie etc. And racing didnt just mean NFS-style and Forza/GT style, it meant Rally, F1, jetskis, crazy taxi etc Dont even get me started on the complete abandonment of strategy/building games like age of empires, sim city, zoo tycoon, etc. All sold millions. All are MIA.


It makes me sad that the number of game experiences are dwindling. Hopefully theres more stuff on the show floor. I for one, would love to see more games NOT involving guns, like Beyond Good and Evil. The whole dudebro focus is getting tiresome.



Edit: That just made me realize MS had nothing unique for PCs. Nothing!

 

[harriet the spy]

is there any chance this split screen tech could be found in future sony TVs (i.e. bigger ones)?

 

[Riposte]

They seem to be showing more trailers with the post-show. I wonder why they didn't just make the show 2 hours.

 

[jett]

So you don't care about Uncharted 3?Resistance? anything, was it really worse from a content perspective?

Uncharted 3 is literally the only game I'm buying that was shown, and it's a game I already knew about. The demo wasn't that hot either, unfortunately. I was expecting lots of fresh new announcements, got nada.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

I noticed during the conference in regard to Vita, it was very obvious that they had to really hold back saying "PS3-quality visuals". I mean, they pretty much are at that level, but I guess they don't want to make their ageing home console look bad.

 

[Zoe]

The PS 3D monitor - hmm, I don't know what 3DTVs of that screen size usually go for in the States, but $499 sounds a bit much, even with the "freebies" included. I mean, you can get a decent length HDMI cable for a few quid now, so if they say that the "freebies" are a $150 value, and R3 is a $50 value, then that means that the glasses must be upwards of $90? Preposterous. Even with that "no split-screen" thingy.

He said the glasses retail for $69 separately.

 

[Sianos]

As far as space shooters go, they are missing the most important one.

GRADIUS

 

[Wag]

Vizio 3D 32" TV @ Amazon for $478. Heh.

 

[Deadly Joker]

seriously though? It looked okay, framerates aside, but it just seems like another lamb to the FPS slaughter.

Are people here hyped about Dust? Not just "interested", but hyped?

You're coming off as VERY biased. Calm down a little. It's only video games, god damn man.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Dust 514 needs more hype. More promising than any other shooter shown at E3.

Only if you care about the metagame connections to EVE, which most of us don't(or so it seems).

Outside of that it looked like alpha code for just another shooter you'll play through the campaign once and then never touch again.

 

[StealthGoblin]

More Sony titles are to be announced tomorrow.

PlayStation Home guy just mentioned it when asked about the PlayStation Booth.

 

[paskowitz]

Honestly, I think overall one has to be disappointed. Not a very well planned conference. Sony needed to rebound after the PSN breach and like they said restore confidence that PS3 and PSN is the best place to play games... take out Vita and they DID NOT do that.

PSN
-PSNs partnerships with media companies are VERY weak. That end of the console is falling very flat. Regardless of how little you think this matters on the 360, it is huge for the majority of people.
-No actual improvements. Browser, functionality, etc.
-Barely talked about PSN on PSV

PS3
-"exclusive" tie ins were very weak. Just rehashed content thrown in. Really I get the Boogati Veyron, wow...? How about actual exclusive content in BF3?
-Yes the games shown were very cool. But E3 is not the place to reveal a game like Sly that does create buzz. Also Subway promotion... GTFO.
-Where was Agent? This could have stolen the show. Even if it was just a CG trailer for 2013.
-Last Guardian, probably saved for TGS... still...
-Dust514... I will give it a chance but it just felt lost.
-R3 was a crappy demo for what will probably be a great game
-inFamous 2... seen it.
-Nothing to make news about... nothing to write about... just meh.

Move
-Not even worth talking about it was so bad.
-Sony needs to lock its most creative people in a room and force them to come up with something cool.

PSV
-Price and games are the single saving thing of this conference. It shows that Sony can learn. Which bodes well for the future.
-Looks like an actually good piece of HW.
-However, PSN integration was not clear.
-3rd party support was not clear. COD... could have sold this thing.
-1st support as usual from Sony looked great.


It just did not come together. It was not a shit show... but it could have easily been.

 

[TheExodu5]

Vizio 3D 32" TV @ Amazon for $478. Heh.

Passive 3D. Not even comparable.

 

[yurinka]

Really awesome conference for the Vista side, and good for PS3 but lacked a PS3 megaton announcement.

Way better than the MS one.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

And MS had sesame street. Neither was 100% FPS, but eventually, they all started to blur together.

And when icelandic guy came out, my thought was "OMG, the very first brand new IP of the entire day!!!!!"......and it was a first person space shooter. Yawn.


Seriously, I can count the number of brand new non-FPS revealed in all the conferences on my pinky finger (The Vita RPG).

Maybe it's just me, but I remember the day where shooters came in all kinds of forms, like Ikaruga and Crimson Skies. And there were platforming games like Spyro, Banjo Kazzoie etc. And racing didnt just mean NFS-style and Forza/GT style, it meant Rally, F1, jetskis, crazy taxi etc Dont even get me started on the complete abandonment of strategy/building games like age of empires, sim city, zoo tycoon, etc. All sold millions. All are MIA.


It makes me sad that the number of game experiences are dwindling. Hopefully theres more stuff on the show floor. I for one, would love to see more games NOT involving guns, like Beyond Good and Evil. The whole dudebro focus is getting tiresome.



Edit: That just made me realize MS had nothing unique for PCs. Nothing!

Crimson Skies.

I cry.

It's a damn shame. MS is sitting on all the following high-quality, non-FPS games that could be refreshed into new IPs:

-Crimson Skies
-Mech Assault
-Conker
-Kameo
-Killer Instinct

Instead, we get the same ol' same ol'.

 

[jett]

And it's really not all that much that the content was poor, although it was, but the conference was really poorly planned and desgined. It dragged in so many places and for so long, it was a real chore to get through.

 

[Smokey]

I would like to thank Sony for their continual support of 3D. I have a 55'' Samsung 3DTV and I love how they continue to give me 3D content to enjoy. Now that they've announced the $499 3d monitor deal some of you who can should jump on it.

3D for games is pretty sweet

 

[Brandon F]

You people are crazy, in terms of games, that conference was no better than anything else shown today.

 

[Lard]

I missed everything today. So....no big surprises then?

 

[Hex]

There is so much fanboy shit in this thread you can almost not see through the flies.
Just the sheer fact that Sony did not try to insult anyone's intelligence with shitty fake choreographed presentations earns them 100 steps above Microsoft.
I did not watch EA's so I can not rate it, Ubisoft I liked up until the dancing and I am always a sucker for Rabbids.
Sony handled everything perfectly.
They addressed the PSN outage twice, the did not spend too much time harping on sales and they got right to the point.
Vita was a complete home run, it is ok you ARE allowed to admit it and you will not lose any cred with whatever side you seem to feel the need to support.
I am also GLAD that they did not announce anything like GOW4 or anything else that is barely in production yet because I am tired of games announced that I will not play for two years.
I even kind of liked Medievil Moves (though would love to see a PS3 or ViTA MediEVil game)
I will take points away because there was no Kevin Butler (almost took another point away for Kobe).
I definitely expect Nintendo to have an awesome presentation tomorrow also.

Sony B
Ubi C
Microsoft D-
Konami C+

I fully expect Nintendo to be at least a B

 

[TheExecutive]

Not a great conference. The ONLY thing that saved it for me was the Vita price. I will give it a C+. Give MS a D. I dont have kinect and I have no interest in more Gears or Halo.

Both conferences were showing their age. The major platforms for these two are old and I can feel change on the horizon. Sony was totally out of character (not showing a ton of new games, they always show games years in advance). I think its because they will unveil the ps4 next e3 and it will be on shelves by Dec. 31 2012.

Without the Vita this was a disappointing conference but MS showed me that they are offering nothing I want- at all.

Nintendo wins this e3 if Reggie walks up to the stage, takes a dump and claims it their next system. They cannot lose unless they completely fell off their rocker.

 

[Shakala]

Tretton's "Ridge Racer" jab at Kaz made the conference for me

 

[Woo-Fu]

Edit: That just made me realize MS had nothing unique for PCs. Nothing!

Microsoft can't charge you for multiplayer gaming on PC therefor they don't want you gaming on PC. They'll be just a notch above Apple when it comes to paying lip service to desktop gaming as long as the xbox brand is alive and well.

 

[DR3AM]

Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath are coming to PSVita this holiday. #E3 http://go.ign.com/m1GGNt

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Where's the damn Vita line-up? I hope you guys don't take it the wrong way, but 3DS reveal had so much more games. I was expecting something like that.

I mean... no Square-Enix game on Vita is like a sin. C'mon. So far this year's E3 sucks so much ass, probably the worst of all time.

Microsoft: 3
- Highlights: Ghost Recon menu, Tomb Raider demo

Sony: 7
- Highlights: Sly Cooper game, Vita priced $250

 

[Loudninja]

More Sony titles are to be announced tomorrow.

PlayStation Home guy just mentioned it when asked about the PlayStation Booth.

Thats cool.

 

[jett]

jett throwing another tantrum how nice.

So if I speak my mind in a civil manner I'm throwing a tantrum?

 

[TheExodu5]

Only if you care about the metagame connections to EVE, which most of us don't(or so it seems).

Outside of that it looked like alpha code for just another shooter you'll play through the campaign once and then never touch again.

Huh? The metagame extends to Dust 514 as well. It's a multiplayer Battlefield type shooter where the economy is entirely player based and players interact with EVE corporations (probably as mercenaries) to vie for control of land.

It's not a campaign based shooter with a minor metagame influence on EVE.

 

[Wag]

Passive 3D. Not even comparable.

Maybe not, but I don't know how much enjoyment you're going to get out of a 24" 3D screen unless you hug it like a similarly sized PC display. I'd rather have a larger passive 3D display than a relatively small active one.

You can already buy a few active 24" 3D displays in the $500 range anyways.

 

[AranhaHunter]

Tretton's "Ridge Racer" jab at Kaz made the conference for me

Anyone got a youtube video of that? I missed it.

 

[witness]

Dust 514 needs more hype. More promising than any other shooter shown at E3.

I'm extremely impressed by this game. I love games that try to move the genre forward in innovate, unique, and interesting ways. I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[3rdamention]

Sony's Conference:

Highs:

- Uncharted 3 looks fun.
- SLY 4!! finally, a non-shooter that will be good!
- An RPG on display!
- Vita pricing
- Move > Kinect so more support is OK by me.

Lows:

- No compelling Vita titles announced
- Outside of SLY 4, a lack of game diversity on both console and handheld.
- No cross game chat for PS3?
- That PSTV doesn't really seem worth the price...
- Still mostly shooter/racing/sports focused conference, even if it was more diverse than MS.
- No good Move exclusive game on display...

Pretty good overall, definitely better than MS. But neither conference made their platforms look very compelling to somebody who isn't a fan of FPS, sim racing and sport games like myself.

LBP on VITA looks almost like an entirely different game. It will be a System Seller, hell, it should be packed in!

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Your coming off as VERY biased. Calm down a little. It's only video games, god damn man.

I've quite clearly said Sony has the best conference of the console makers so far. That said, I didn't see the magic in the 1:45-second demo that makes me feel it's going to sell strongly in a market congested with FPS games. If I missed something important, feel free to share.

 

[rdrr gnr]

They are saving huge 1st party bombshells for next-gen. I'd say with the meltdown that was PS3 launch-titles, that's fair. Bad year for PS3 announcements at E3, great year for PS4 launch in whenever.

 

[Riposte]

Maybe it's just me, but I remember the day where shooters came in all kinds of forms, like Ikaruga and Crimson Skies. And there were platforming games like Spyro, Banjo Kazzoie etc. And racing didnt just mean NFS-style and Forza/GT style, it meant Rally, F1, jetskis, crazy taxi etc Dont even get me started on the complete abandonment of strategy/building games like age of empires, sim city, zoo tycoon, etc. All sold millions. All are MIA.

Well, your rant aside, 1) Starhawk and I think Dust are games where you fly and shoot stuff, 2) Sly is that kind of platforming and LBP is in the same realm, 3) Wipeout is non-simulation racing and downright crazy 4) Expecting an arcade shooter to be shown at an E3 conference is the very definition of absurd expectations(same sort of applies to PC strategy games at a Sony conference), and 5) What disappoints you is the videogame industry as a whole(or rather, what you choose to pay attention to).

EDIT: The larger problem seems to be that they didn't show enough Japanese games (for example any of the three upcoming and very exciting FromSoftware series.) Basically they are saving that for TGS and that ends up hurting E3. I guess once you set your expectations for E3 to be mostly western it doesn't bother you as much. Capcom coming out was an awesome surprise and a fighter on the Vita from the start puts it in a great spot.

 

[Zero-Crescent]

All the awesome Vita news turned a good conference into a great one. Not too much Move-centric stuff, which is good, but I did not like what they did to Sorcery if they really did change it to Medieval Moves, since it looked like a promising Zelda-esque title at last year's E3. There is also the issue of using AT&T as the exclusive 3G carrier for Vita. Lots of good announcements (Sly 4, Content exclusives) and demos (Uncharted 3!), and coupled with the Vita news, this conference deserves a solid "A".

<Rant> The Playstation monitor was a flaccid announcement, from my perspective. Value? As I said before, Vizio offers a 32" passive 3D InternetApp-connected HDTV for less, and since it's passive 3D, the glasses could only cost around $20 individually (And I think you can use the RealD passive glasses they hand out at theaters). The only two features that favor the PS Monitor, considering only the announcement, are the split-screen thing, which apparently few TVs offer, and bundling Resistance 3. The former is a potentially useful feature if you play a lot of split-screen titles, but I wonder if feature like that would really make up for the smaller size. Besides, didn't they say that the PSMonitor only includes one set of glasses? If so, add another $70 if you want to use that feature.</Rant>

 

[deadbeef]

I wonder, for these ATT deals, is that going to be rolled into an unlimited data plan for a phone, for example? Is that how these things work? Or is it a separate bill?

 

[Shapingo]

This should be on the first page of this thread.

Why did they use the fake 2005 pre rendered footage for player 1 and killzone 3 for player 2 or is that a subtle photoshop.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

I'm extremely impressed by this game. I love games that try to move the genre forward in innovate, unique, and interesting ways. I'm really looking forward to it.

where is the info on this game? i kinda want details how its going to connect with vita and pc games?