It's garbage because Planetside 2 isn't built to actually support 128 players. There is no territory control, no metagame and most of the large scale battles are reduced to two huge tank balls fighting each other. I'd argue that a game can create a framework where high player count can be properly used but I don't think that DICE are actually good enough to do it. I'd take 64 players over a bad attempt at 128.
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It's garbage because Planetside 2 isn't built to actually support 128 players. There is no territory control, no metagame and most of the large scale battles are reduced to two huge tank balls fighting each other. I'd argue that a game can create a framework where high player count can be properly used but I don't think that DICE are actually good enough to do it. I'd take 64 players over a bad attempt at 128.
SirButterstick
Banned
Exactly. They're still trying to figure out how to make the game work. They also took everything that made PS1 work and trashed/haven't implemented it yet, which leads me to believe that at this point DICE should 'stick to what they know,' and what has been working for them since 1942.
I'm not trying to stifle creativity here or expanding their boundaries, but with the fails on games that used to be classics, such as the new Sim City and PS2, I don't want them to screw up my favorite franchise
I think this shot might illustrate what I mean better.
Both things close to the camera (the hammer) and things far away from the camera (the door) are covered in ugly hexagons.
For the Battlefield 4 image, it's just a haphazard photoshop, but it's supposed to represent bokeh that's close to the camera.
Well I mean it's not *literally* bokeh since this is a random invitation image, but I'm pretty sure that's what it's supposed to represent visually.
The two year development cycle cannot be a good thing. look at Crysis 2 to 3. Or ME2 to 3.
SirButterstick
Banned
Oh god here comes Debbie Downer.
RealDeadOne
Member
I just now finally started getting into BF3 and Premium so I'm excited to see what this will be, although skeptical because of EA's recent practices and how awful Medal of Honor was.
Uno Venova
Banned
really looking forward to competent console versions next gen.
Anton Sugar
Member
Exactly. They're still trying to figure out how to make the game work. They also took everything that made PS1 work and trashed/haven't implemented it yet, which leads me to believe that at this point DICE should 'stick to what they know,' and what has been working for them since 1942.
I'm not trying to stifle creativity here or expanding their boundaries, but with the fails on games that used to be classics, such as the new Sim City and PS2, I don't want them to screw up my favorite franchise
Fair enough. I can dream
I love BF3 on the 360, but man Armored Kill is not a pretty sight sometimes.
Except I didn't say anything negative? Origin being shit and pointless is a mere fact. My entire group of friends are relieved next gen will be here for this because 3 on consoles was a joke.
He's kind of right, using a separate program to launch a game, something to could easily be done from an in-game menu is just silly.
It doesn't help that Chrome is just sitting in the background, using resources that could, theoretically, could be used by the game.
SirButterstick
Banned
Fair enough. I can dream
No I totally agree that 128 would be sick. I also think that if you're going to do it, do it and make sure it works. I don't think they should rush it for next gen, which I'm worried they're doing already.
I kind of doubt they will have 128 players since this one will still be shipping on current gen as well.
SolidSnakex
Member
I know few care about the single player in Battlefield, but I really hope that they put more effort into this one. There's no reason why Battlefield should have the same linear gameplay approach and small map approach that the CoD games have. They should be more of an open warzone like the series became known for with it's multiplayer. One of the most disappointed moments from this gen for me was the jet mission in BF3. All that build up with your soldier walking to the jet and then...an entirely scripted sequence. :/
SirButterstick
Banned
I believe they're lowing the player count for current gen, no? Lower than 64?
They should just kill SP and put all their effort into the MP.
Terbinator
Member
I know what bokeh is, i don't believe the specs i'm getting at is bokeh, mainly, because it doesn't look like it to me and also because of the egregiously dirt employed filter in BF3, which it looks similar too.
For that reason, i don't think its meant to represent bokeh, either, but more so a continuation of the "art" style they had going in BF3.
Quite possibly.
Well, we'll find out in a few weeks at worst.
I do hope they remove the dirt filter though. That thing was horrid.
This rumor set about Battlefield 4 came with a rumor set about End Game that was basically correct: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498308
At the time, the game was supposedly 64 players of PS4/720/PC and "less" (presumably 24) for 360/PS3.
Hopefully the March Premium video is some extra bf4 footage. Very hyped for the game already based on the DLC for BF3. Possibly the best dlc support ever for a game?
Undoubtedly.
Hopefully none. Cant think of any good game mechanics in BC2. Actually tracer darts and at4 were good, thats all but I will think if I can come up with anymore.
BF3 has the same amount of destructible building types as bc2, its just that they decided to add more than 3 building types to the game.
Undoubtedly.
Hopefully none. Cant think of any good game mechanics in BC2. Actually tracer darts and at4 were good, thats all but I will think if I can come up with anymore.
BF3 has the same amount of destructible building types as bc2, its just that they decided to add more than 3 building types to the game.
I assume they want more destruction, since the base game in BF3 didn't have nearly as much.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I think Wii U owners will be the most disappointed. Current gen console owners aren't getting much of an upgrade over BF3, but they'll at least be getting the game. PC gamers and next gen console owners will benefit the most. DICE is probably gonna sex up the destruction and boost up the scale a bit, and tighten up the graphics on level 3.
Ol No Bones
Banned
If they make this a polished as hell with loads if destruction and make some good maps like I know they can I will be extremely happy. Bf3 was good, bf4 could be great.
The Faceless Master
Member
i think people are more concerned about the gameplay design/flow of the DLC maps vs he stock, not the technical aspects.
Right, but I think some of that intertwines.
Like if your game is constantly crashing it's hard to really play test your maps, and you might make things tighter and more confined than you have to for memory reasons.
XANDER CAGE
Member
The DLC expansions for 3 have been so good that I have high hopes for 4/2143/whatever this next game is. Hopefully this isn't a rush job.
SirButterstick
Banned
'Bf4 will use 80% of power of frostbite 2, wheras bf3 only 30-40%' leads me to believe there will be more boomo-blasto, although it's a pretty nebulous statement.
Can't wait to roll with PC-GAF again and shut down servers.
The Faceless Master
Member
it'll probably be a video guide with dirtbike tips and tricks.
good point.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yarp.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Looks like single-player campaign to me. It has the eery New York rainy day feeling. I hope it takes place after BF3.
It's 100% Bokeh.
http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2011/index.html
Presented by ohn White (EA Black Box), Colin Barré-Brisebois (EA Montréal / DICE)
More health/higher TTK
Better balance among the classes. Was ridiculous to give the revive button, health, and the best weapons to one class.
Less homogenized guns. It will probably end up the same couple of guns for meta anyways, but guns in BC2 did different damage.
And the AT4/Dart were awesome.
Bring back some of the cool BC2 maps as a free update. Oasis, Laguna Presa.
Separate from BC2:
Fix the damn netcode.
Port in some fan favorite maps from BF3 for free. Its the same engine, more free maps increases the size of your playerbase, who then buy more DLC.
Except most PC players I know agree that Battlelog was fantastic, and way better than the console browser.
Anton Sugar
Member
This is what I was trying to explain: Yes, there is bokeh in the image:
And lens artifacts/dirt:
It's way too early, and a little foolish, to draw conclusions about the visual design based on a single promo image. However, it is a legit concern, given how muddied BF3's image could look.
SolidSnakex
Member
Chinese leak said PS4, PS3, 360, next Xbox and PC. Next-gen versions would be 64 player multi at 1080p 60fps while the current gen versions would be the same as BF3.
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
PS4 and 720 version to equal the features of the PC version
PS3 and 360 to match/slightly better BF3 features
The ability to shape the battlefield on a grander scale. That's all I care for really. BF3 felt very static coming from BC2. I appreciate the detailed destruction but I also missed the larger scale destruction.
People were leveling forests in BC2 just so the defending team can spot people better. Entire sides of the map became tougher to defend if buildings were completely leveled. Hell we could even cheese Rush objective crates by destroying the building that housed the crate instead of going after the crate itself.
Now I'm in the mood to play some BC2.
SirButterstick
Banned
Agreed. Origin is fine as well.
Anton Sugar
Member
The netcode couldn't handle the graphics.
mugoldeneagle03
Member
As a console only BF3 player can you give us one title to catch up
Not to mention 128 would seem insane, and I'd want some sort of MAG squad/communication set up so there's not 60 people on an open micThis. Million times this.
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