EA is reportedly ending full remote work, mandating return to office 3 days per week

3 days per week is also my employer's policy and I think that's OK. I usually only take one home-office day. But I can also ask for more, if I have a good reason. Not sure why this is always such a drama, especially in the US. As long as the shit gets done, who cares.
 
Its not as if you cant do your work from home.
Maybe you were lazy and think everybody was?
My company did analysis during covid how work from home affect productivity and it was a drop of 30% on average (it's a big bank with tens of thousands jobs across different fields). Majority of people feels relaxed when no one watching them.

Then fire people based on output rather than being in a fucking seat. People bullshit through their day in the office too.
Problem is that you need to replace a lot of people and majority of workforce on the market has same issue - they work better in the office than from home.
It might work for smaller companies who handpick individuals but it's very hard for big corporations.
 
Im sure thats the reason and not the fact that employers want to keep you in office to control your time and how you dedicate your time. And to keep tabs on you etc.

Also do you have a source on the lazy dumb fucks? Why werent they fired instead? They were kept on? And they werent lazy at the office?

How did you come to this absolutionist conclusion?

I hear that kind of sentiment a lot, especially in the South. I chalk it up to raw, red-hot, blind jealousy. I've been called a lot of things but no one has ever called me lazy at work.

Even my in laws were talking shit about remote work and when I called them out on it then suddenly I was the exception because of the nature of my job. Okay 🙄
 
They can be failed and if half of company fail their KPI due to WFH what would you do as CEO?
I'd probably stop WFH. But half of your company doesn't suddenly stop meeting KPIs overnight, especially if they are tied into increases, promotions, and bonuses. Hell, you can have WFH reserved as an incentive for those that achieve and blow past all KPIs.
 
Depends on the scale of your business. If you're a fully globalised tech company, there's a good chance you'll have offices in Tokyo, California and London. Without remote and WFH and a trust in staff to spread their time out effectively you can't be across all the stuff you need to be. Maybe you start at seven on the morning to take meetings with folks eight hours ahead, take two or three hours for lunch and are taking calls at eight in the evening with colleagues eight hours behind.

A full time office environment runs 9-5 and you can't synchronize globally for shit. Companies moving back towards office hours are very likely scaling back global focus (because the benefits are nothing like companies had hoped). The ones that haven't are still clinging to the global dream.

In any case, large businesses aren't hiring you for your time, they're hiring for your skills and what you can deliver. They don't want to see a clock card that shows how many hours you worked - they just want to see the results you've driven. Having people in a seat doesn't make them any money - smart initiatives, good ideas, careful planning and solid coordination, that's what matters. Most of these big companies couldn't give a fuck how long you take for lunch.
This guy gets it
 
I'd probably stop WFH. But half of your company doesn't suddenly stop meeting KPIs overnight, especially if they are tied into increases, promotions, and bonuses. Hell, you can have WFH reserved as an incentive for those that achieve and blow past all KPIs.
As someone who deal with KPI regularly
You manipulate, stretch things, push less important pieces forward to report KPI success. And then negotiate reduced KPI for the next year. It's how "failing KPI" looks in practice - you do it in a way to not affect benefits but everyone sensible understands what's really goes on.
And you as CEO will see that your team just can't commit for the same amount of work and want it reduced, and you understand a reason.

I don't say WFH doesn't work at all, we have some WFH policies, even fulltime WFH cases, but it's case by case basis and not blanket allowance.
 
I WFH once a week, i couldn't do any more, too easy access to food being one, my wife constantly shoving her tits into the back of my head when she walks past is another, too many distractions, dog wants to play, wife wants to play, i want to play but i need to be here for those random ass calls from my boss as i expect my team to answer my random ass teams calls when i call em
 
People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.

For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.

But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.

Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.

The two are not even comparable.

It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:

1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc

2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.

When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.

But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
 
People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.

For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.

But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.

Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.

The two are not even comparable.

It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:

1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc

2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.

When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.

But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
We're forced into the office for week-long in-person events a few times a year, and I've never seen company productivity nuked into the ground more thoroughly. I've started putting in extra hours the week ahead of these now, because I know I'll come back to bedlam if I don't. On an average office day, I've probably slept less, ate worse, been surrounded all-day by dozens of other people chit-chatting or taking calls, sunk a few more beers than I should have after hours and probably caught whatever seasonal bug is going around.

The only thing that fell of a cliff after remote working was sick leave. I catch far fewer bugs and the ones I do catch, unless they're absolutely brutal, I just take as 'light days', where I stay on top of my emails, but cancel any unnecessary meetings and take a nap in the afternoon if I'm feeling rough.
 
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People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.

For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.

But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.

Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.

The two are not even comparable.

It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:

1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc

2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.

When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.

But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
It's not about laughing, it's about - for whatever reason - the demographic of this site is largely not working from home, and as a result is hostile to WFH (aka if I'm not allowed to then nobody else should be syndrome)
 
Me and my wife are coders and work from home. You throw away a significant portion of your life driving to and from work. If you live in the US in a place without reasonable public transportation (most of the country) you are incredibly reliant on a car that will have problems. If work can be done reasonably well at home, then I shouldn't have to go in to an office. I'm not giving up that much extra time in my life (and stress being worried about if my car works). A lot of jobs can't be done from home, but luckily ours can be and if I'm forced to go into an office, I will do a different job.
 
Unlucky, Sounds like the higher ups trying their best to justify the lease on the office space. Imagine needing to commute into an office for dog shit pay.
 
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People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.

For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.

But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.

Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.

The two are not even comparable.

It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:

1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc

2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.

When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.

But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
I think a dedicated office is a big part of this. Just working on a laptop sitting on the couch isnt going to cut it. I know when hiring for remote positions they will sometimes have you give a quick tour of your workspace.
 
Me and my wife are coders and work from home. You throw away a significant portion of your life driving to and from work. If you live in the US in a place without reasonable public transportation (most of the country) you are incredibly reliant on a car that will have problems. If work can be done reasonably well at home, then I shouldn't have to go in to an office. I'm not giving up that much extra time in my life (and stress being worried about if my car works). A lot of jobs can't be done from home, but luckily ours can be and if I'm forced to go into an office, I will do a different job.
How dare you bring a sense of a competent reply about remote work. Such an opinion is foolish and all remote work is the devil you lazy slob!

In all seriousness, the absolute melts in this thread that have zero idea that remote work can be done highly proficient and reliably is mental. Most of the mob sits around gooning to pictures of moms thinking that if they can't work remote then nobody can.
 
Depends on the scale of your business. If you're a fully globalised tech company, there's a good chance you'll have offices in Tokyo, California and London. Without remote and WFH and a trust in staff to spread their time out effectively you can't be across all the stuff you need to be. Maybe you start at seven on the morning to take meetings with folks eight hours ahead, take two or three hours for lunch and are taking calls at eight in the evening with colleagues eight hours behind.

A full time office environment runs 9-5 and you can't synchronize globally for shit. Companies moving back towards office hours are very likely scaling back global focus (because the benefits are nothing like companies had hoped). The ones that haven't are still clinging to the global dream.

In any case, large businesses aren't hiring you for your time, they're hiring for your skills and what you can deliver. They don't want to see a clock card that shows how many hours you worked - they just want to see the results you've driven. Having people in a seat doesn't make them any money - smart initiatives, good ideas, careful planning and solid coordination, that's what matters. Most of these big companies couldn't give a fuck how long you take for lunch.
That roughly describes my own work, which is for an international tech company -- and indeed I spread some things across the day due to timezones.
 
I work remotely. I do more work from home than I ever did in an office mainly because my hours meld together. lol
Same and thanks to that i work with a US located company being in Colombia. But what some folks say on thread it´s true, remote work isnt equally beneficial for all kind of bussiness.
 
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I've been working from home full time since March of 2020. I've worked for the same small niche software business for 18 years. Our leadership was very open-minded when the pandemic hit and decided to see how it would work out.

We actually increased overall productivity by about 10%.
Our team was happier not having to commute.
We're cloud based software, so the office was a formality and tradition more than a logistical need.
I'm saving money via mileage on my car and not having to buy work clothes.
I can also manage my time better by slotting in house chores when I have downtime.

It's been a huge benefit for our team. I get that there are some lazy people who will game the system and not do their work, so it's a bigger problem in larger organizations. As a small business, we just got rid of the few people who tried that stuff and the people who remain are the people who can be disciplined and manage themselves.
 
I am not fan of these big companies. They are greedy bastards who will lay you off without a second thought. All I am saying is if working from home was producing such great results, there would not be a need to go back to the office.

I know that in the UK Government grants were set up for businesses to pull people back in because simply put they really don't want local businesses going under because people aren't walking the streets buying shit (No doubt to try and hide the fact the money supply was diluted very badly thus inflation). Mine was one of them where after "COVID" they were bribing folks to come into the office for a few grand upfront. Most of the folks I worked with were hurting or mistakenly got their girlfriends pregnant so they took it.

End of the day it's all wage slavery in order to pay for a roof over your head until you die.
 
This is such a nothing story. They are going to 3-days in office AKA a 3 day work week. Five years ago everyone nationwide was 5 days a week. You're not dying in a fucking salt mine ur programming software.

You should consider it a blessing that your company is letting you do 2 WFH days.

I work from home three days a week and it's a fucking joke. It's a cakewalk. I play games all goddamn day and only pause to take meetings and update things quickly.
 
Ehh man this retarded shit I keep seeing.

Its not as if you cant do your work from home.

Maybe you were lazy and think everybody was?

Agreed. The people complaining are probably living in thier parents basement and working at Taco Bell. Remote work is great for employee retention but should be reserved for your proven and best workers.
 
I think a dedicated office is a big part of this. Just working on a laptop sitting on the couch isnt going to cut it. I know when hiring for remote positions they will sometimes have you give a quick tour of your workspace.
That is fair and can be tied to insurance.

But we'll be seeing back to office in a couple of waves. You are either under performing or have an expensive/large office space. But the increased popularity of free seating is also a double eged sword. It's easier to justify the office space if anyone can utilize it. But if you're going to the office and not sitting close to your colleagues it's a waste of time.
 
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