My company did analysis during covid how work from home affect productivity and it was a drop of 30% on average (it's a big bank with tens of thousands jobs across different fields). Majority of people feels relaxed when no one watching them.Its not as if you cant do your work from home.
Maybe you were lazy and think everybody was?
Problem is that you need to replace a lot of people and majority of workforce on the market has same issue - they work better in the office than from home.Then fire people based on output rather than being in a fucking seat. People bullshit through their day in the office too.
Of course not. Simple narratives only, please.For those complaining about productivity, have none of you heard about KPIs?
They can be failed and if half of company fail their KPI due to WFH what would you do as CEO?For those complaining about productivity, have none of you heard about KPIs?
Im sure thats the reason and not the fact that employers want to keep you in office to control your time and how you dedicate your time. And to keep tabs on you etc.
Also do you have a source on the lazy dumb fucks? Why werent they fired instead? They were kept on? And they werent lazy at the office?
How did you come to this absolutionist conclusion?
I'd probably stop WFH. But half of your company doesn't suddenly stop meeting KPIs overnight, especially if they are tied into increases, promotions, and bonuses. Hell, you can have WFH reserved as an incentive for those that achieve and blow past all KPIs.They can be failed and if half of company fail their KPI due to WFH what would you do as CEO?
Or just youGood, because i know how "work" from home works. 10% work, 90% jerking off.
This guy gets itDepends on the scale of your business. If you're a fully globalised tech company, there's a good chance you'll have offices in Tokyo, California and London. Without remote and WFH and a trust in staff to spread their time out effectively you can't be across all the stuff you need to be. Maybe you start at seven on the morning to take meetings with folks eight hours ahead, take two or three hours for lunch and are taking calls at eight in the evening with colleagues eight hours behind.
A full time office environment runs 9-5 and you can't synchronize globally for shit. Companies moving back towards office hours are very likely scaling back global focus (because the benefits are nothing like companies had hoped). The ones that haven't are still clinging to the global dream.
In any case, large businesses aren't hiring you for your time, they're hiring for your skills and what you can deliver. They don't want to see a clock card that shows how many hours you worked - they just want to see the results you've driven. Having people in a seat doesn't make them any money - smart initiatives, good ideas, careful planning and solid coordination, that's what matters. Most of these big companies couldn't give a fuck how long you take for lunch.
As someone who deal with KPI regularlyI'd probably stop WFH. But half of your company doesn't suddenly stop meeting KPIs overnight, especially if they are tied into increases, promotions, and bonuses. Hell, you can have WFH reserved as an incentive for those that achieve and blow past all KPIs.
We're forced into the office for week-long in-person events a few times a year, and I've never seen company productivity nuked into the ground more thoroughly. I've started putting in extra hours the week ahead of these now, because I know I'll come back to bedlam if I don't. On an average office day, I've probably slept less, ate worse, been surrounded all-day by dozens of other people chit-chatting or taking calls, sunk a few more beers than I should have after hours and probably caught whatever seasonal bug is going around.People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.
For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.
But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.
Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.
The two are not even comparable.
It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:
1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc
2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.
When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.
But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
It's not about laughing, it's about - for whatever reason - the demographic of this site is largely not working from home, and as a result is hostile to WFH (aka if I'm not allowed to then nobody else should be syndrome)People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.
For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.
But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.
Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.
The two are not even comparable.
It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:
1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc
2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.
When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.
But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
I think a dedicated office is a big part of this. Just working on a laptop sitting on the couch isnt going to cut it. I know when hiring for remote positions they will sometimes have you give a quick tour of your workspace.People can laugh all they want, but commuting to an office and working in person, when one can do their job at home, has to be one of the most unproductive waste of time for humanity.
For people who lack self-control, discipline and need to have their hand held 24/7, remote work is impossible for them.
But for folk who are self-directed, it's a godsend. I've been working remotely since 2015 and I'm 10x more productive vs. in-office.
Both in terms of outcomes achieved, but also raw output. You can't complete even 50% of what the average async, remote worker does in a day, if you work in-person. It's impossible.
The two are not even comparable.
It's interesting though, those who are anti-remote work tend to fall into two camps:
1) Those who can't concentrate at home for whatever reason - usually legit reasons like not having a dedicated office, children running amok, in abusive relationships etc
2) Dinosaurs who like to monitor and control their employees.
When the next pandemic hits, we'll all be working remotely again.
But anyway, EA can do what they like - they need to justify those office spaces somehow...
How dare you bring a sense of a competent reply about remote work. Such an opinion is foolish and all remote work is the devil you lazy slob!Me and my wife are coders and work from home. You throw away a significant portion of your life driving to and from work. If you live in the US in a place without reasonable public transportation (most of the country) you are incredibly reliant on a car that will have problems. If work can be done reasonably well at home, then I shouldn't have to go in to an office. I'm not giving up that much extra time in my life (and stress being worried about if my car works). A lot of jobs can't be done from home, but luckily ours can be and if I'm forced to go into an office, I will do a different job.
Beats trying to figure out how you'll bankroll lunch out everyday, Heck The amount of money saved working from home is nice because that shit will compound year over year.Seriously? "Hey bro wanna talk on the phone while I eat my Cup Noodles?" That sounds kinda awful.
That roughly describes my own work, which is for an international tech company -- and indeed I spread some things across the day due to timezones.Depends on the scale of your business. If you're a fully globalised tech company, there's a good chance you'll have offices in Tokyo, California and London. Without remote and WFH and a trust in staff to spread their time out effectively you can't be across all the stuff you need to be. Maybe you start at seven on the morning to take meetings with folks eight hours ahead, take two or three hours for lunch and are taking calls at eight in the evening with colleagues eight hours behind.
A full time office environment runs 9-5 and you can't synchronize globally for shit. Companies moving back towards office hours are very likely scaling back global focus (because the benefits are nothing like companies had hoped). The ones that haven't are still clinging to the global dream.
In any case, large businesses aren't hiring you for your time, they're hiring for your skills and what you can deliver. They don't want to see a clock card that shows how many hours you worked - they just want to see the results you've driven. Having people in a seat doesn't make them any money - smart initiatives, good ideas, careful planning and solid coordination, that's what matters. Most of these big companies couldn't give a fuck how long you take for lunch.
Same and thanks to that i work with a US located company being in Colombia. But what some folks say on thread it´s true, remote work isnt equally beneficial for all kind of bussiness.I work remotely. I do more work from home than I ever did in an office mainly because my hours meld together. lol
I am not fan of these big companies. They are greedy bastards who will lay you off without a second thought. All I am saying is if working from home was producing such great results, there would not be a need to go back to the office.
I bet you've been bopping the baloney at work too buddy.Or just you
Ehh man this retarded shit I keep seeing.
Its not as if you cant do your work from home.
Maybe you were lazy and think everybody was?
That is fair and can be tied to insurance.I think a dedicated office is a big part of this. Just working on a laptop sitting on the couch isnt going to cut it. I know when hiring for remote positions they will sometimes have you give a quick tour of your workspace.