Watch the intro, it's amazing! And you would actually know who you are, what you're doing and who the narrator is.There is no subtitle option right now, is there? I want to read everything the narrator says.
Also, who are you? You seem to be an actual person in the game rather than some strategy game nebulous god that isn't acknowledged. Are you some journalist/reporter type who observes everything?
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Early Access: Darkest Dungeon |OT| Death Is The Only Promise
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That's actually the problem I saw here, on Steam and their forum.
Asking to balance and rely less on the RNG is regarded as asking to dumb down the game by rogue like lovers games.
Also there may be a bug with Afflictions showing properly or something.
One of my hellions has some minuses to her stats without having anything that would justify it, she just has -25% damage and -5 speed out of nowhere.
I'll put her in a stress recovery spot and see how it works out later.
It would piss me off to lose her because she has Hard Skinned
One of my hellions has some minuses to her stats without having anything that would justify it, she just has -25% damage and -5 speed out of nowhere.
I'll put her in a stress recovery spot and see how it works out later.
It would piss me off to lose her because she has Hard Skinned
There is no subtitle option right now, is there? I want to read everything the narrator says.
Also, who are you? You seem to be an actual person in the game rather than some strategy game nebulous god that isn't acknowledged. Are you some journalist/reporter type who observes everything?
Watch the House of Ruin trailer. Itll tell you.
BlitzEngineer
Member
That's actually the problem I saw here, on Steam and their forum.
Asking to balance and rely less on the RNG is regarded as asking to dumb down the game by rogue like lovers games.
I don't think the RNG needs to be toned down so much, just I think there need to be a few more tools given to the player to deal with it.
I think turn orders need to be visible at least partially. Also, I think fleeing from a battle needs to be guaranteed. Going into a fight with 90+ torch just to be surprised, having every position shuffled to the point of uselessness and the entire enemy team take action first is bad enough without there being a risk of failing to flee. If you think that makes it too easy, attach some kind of penalty to it, although to be honest this game is punishing enough without it.
And there needs to be some way to regenerate health out of combat. In later dungeons in my experience unless you are supremely lucky, there isn't a way to be successful without stalling at least a few fights per dungeon, and that's just not fun to do.
Give us potions or first aid kits as provisions that can only be used outside of combat and maybe take time (and thus torch) to work. Then add a system to prevent stalling in combat, like fatigue or ticking stress as combat wears on. Remove this mechanic in boss fights. This way you can salvage horrible situations with preparedness and gold investment, but you can't abuse combat for regen like you can now.
And some of the classes need work. The Jester seems amazing at first but quickly falls off as having your fourth position marginally buff you or SOMETIMES give you slight stress regen just doesn't cut it in later dungeons. I think part of the idea is his camping skills are supposed to be really good, which is an interesting idea but they aren't really that great. Grave Robbers also seem bad to me but I haven't played enough with them to have good insight there. Everyone else seems pretty strong in the right setups. I think it would be cool for Crusader to have some kind of Cover mechanic ala Final Fantasy. I don't even think it would be that strong especially if you made it impossible for him to dodge a Cover'd attack, but it would help those situations where your third or fourth position get randomly dumped on as happens kind of often in this game.
Also, I wish there was some way to force a certain class out of the stage coach. Im in like week 25 and have only seen one Bounty Hunter who got killed on his first outing. Sucks since they are probably the best class in the game except for maybe Hellion. Let me pay like 3k gold to hire one like a mercenary.
Lanrutcon
Member
Yeah, ok. Apparently someone thought the Hag boss was fine for release.
Messes up your party order? check.
Remove one of your party from combat? check.
Attacks multiple times a round? check.
Debuffs your party? check.
Deathblow aoe? check.
And she's a level 1 encounter. Like fuck she is.
Messes up your party order? check.
Remove one of your party from combat? check.
Attacks multiple times a round? check.
Debuffs your party? check.
Deathblow aoe? check.
And she's a level 1 encounter. Like fuck she is.
BlitzEngineer
Member
Yea the Hag is super broken.
I almost feel like she's not supposed to use Into the Pot as often as she does. As it is you pretty much have to go the entire fight with a 3 person party since she pretty much instantly does it again as soon as you release someone. And then the fact that she can just randomly act twice per round for seemingly no reason is super absurd.
I beat the fight with two Hellions, a Vestal spamming illuminate so the hellions never miss, and a plague doctor boiling alive the whole time. I only attacked the pot when she grabbed a Hellion and otherwise just bled the shit out of her and ignored it. She still killed the doctor and very nearly one of the Hellions. But yea, I think it's best to treat this fight like a dps race, which is really shaky design in a game so RNG dependent.
Lanrutcon
Member
I ragequit on my last attempt when the pot dodged 2 attacks in a row.
When the stationery 0 dodge pot dodged 2 attacks in a row.
...
She killed my Leper :/
I agree. Something about her is off. At the very least she shouldn't attack twice.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So, I've been doing real well with just throwing disposables into the fray in order to just upgrade.
Have not touched my mains in hours.
Have not touched my mains in hours.
mrchampipi
Member
She killed two of my best fighters and I miraculously won the fight. Totaly
agree that she's too much.
Remachinate
Member
A lot of valid complaints in this thread; I have faith that they'll make the most of Early Access and tweak the game accordingly.
I need to chime in with what's been bugging me the most though: what's up with the Bounty Hunter's "Hook and Slice" skill? It makes no sense--an attack with damage reduction for no apparent benefit. It's worse than "Finish Him" in every respect. Why does this skill exist? Granted, I haven't ever used it, just read the description, so maybe it functions differently from the text? Red Hook pls.
I need to chime in with what's been bugging me the most though: what's up with the Bounty Hunter's "Hook and Slice" skill? It makes no sense--an attack with damage reduction for no apparent benefit. It's worse than "Finish Him" in every respect. Why does this skill exist? Granted, I haven't ever used it, just read the description, so maybe it functions differently from the text? Red Hook pls.
I beat Hag on my first try, with one party member already dead (so I went into the battle with three). All I did was whack the pot if she swallowed a low-health hero until she tossed in a high-health hero. Once that hero was in the pot I just burned the hag herself down ASAP - ignoring the pot and letting the hero take damage. Her attacks aren't that bad, so really I just had one hero in the pot taking 2-4 damage each turn, and the hag doling out a little more damage. Felt manageable.
I dunno if this is a legit "strat" or not, but mostly ignoring the pot and just burning her down worked for me no problem.
The Swine Prince on the other hand.... I'm 100% stumped on him. Don't have a clue how to get past him.
Yeah, that's why I would have like the posibility to go beat her with my lvl 3 heroes, but no i couldn't... So instead I'm farming dungeons to upgrade town so I can give decent equipements and skills to my futurs heroes to go beat her in hope that many of them surivive TwT
I had the awful idea of killing the little dude with the Swine Prince.
I won't be doing that again.
Messofanego
Banned
Ah, right, thanks for that.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So what you all are saying is don't fight any bosses until fully upgraded.
bobnowhere
Member
I went after the apprentice necromancer with minimal upgrades and gear, it didn't end well.
Are you actually clicking on the trait you want it to remove?
Week 16, got one lvl 3, eight lvl 2 and four lvl 1 guys.
Haven't lost an adventurer yet.
Got blacksmith to lvl 3 armor and weapon, Guild to lvl 2.
Been going on risky delves with low light a lot to get more money. The stress you get from abandoning a quest is not really that bad.
Game is still fun and once I got a nice lvl 3 party all upgraded I'll delve into the riskier missions. Also gotta get one of the bosses down with my lvl 2 guys.
Haven't lost an adventurer yet.
Got blacksmith to lvl 3 armor and weapon, Guild to lvl 2.
Been going on risky delves with low light a lot to get more money. The stress you get from abandoning a quest is not really that bad.
Game is still fun and once I got a nice lvl 3 party all upgraded I'll delve into the riskier missions. Also gotta get one of the bosses down with my lvl 2 guys.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Best party for a boss run?
Begaria
Member
This has happened to me twice. It has to be a bug. I fixed one character by upgrading their weapon and the other was fixed by removing some random dark affliction.
Yes. The Sanitarium seems to treat the trait you want to remove as a 'helpful suggestion' rather than the thing it should remove.
I thought it wasn't working at all until I checked the logs and found it removing traits I didn't care about.
The Crimson Beast
Banned
yep i noticed this aswell. i hope its a bug because one of my best guys has a bad condition i cant fix
Usually I just put a trinket on them and then take it away and the stats are refreshed but this time it isn't working. I also took away her only condition.
I think that minuses to stats that you get before exiting a dungeon may not be taken fully away in some cases.
They may however be refreshed when you bring them on another run because it happened to one guy.
I'll have to check with this hellion, the problem is that she is really nerfed right now so if it ends up not being the case she's gonna be really awful to have around for that run.
I sure am.
I've had it on two characters that had a trait that when selected wasn't deleted and was consistently the last trait that was taken away only when no other was left.
I have to echo the sentiments of another poster and say I must have gotten lucky or something. I fought both her and Apprentice Necromancer today and AN was most definitely the harder fight by a longshot. The way I see it you really just need people who deal good damage to back-row positions. The pot itself really doesn't do that much damage per turn so even for a squishy character its like ten turns to Death's door. That's more than enough time to just DPS Rush through her 60 some HP. So in the fight only attack the pot if one of your DPS gets thrown in. Otherwise its kinda weird that you do want some kind of support just to sit in there and boil while you kill her since her moves really don't do that much damage compared to you.
Although I do agree that the boss needs changing. The way I feel is best to beat her as described above is really counter-intuitive and doesn't feel satisfying or tense at all, since if you do get a good pick she dies relatively quickly with little resistance.
Congratulations, you've found the cornerstone of every Darkest Dungeon Speed-run going forward. How does it feel?
Yeah, probably it is a way for us to hope to have a balanced fight with stronger heroes and not to have to sacrifice a goat to please the RNG god, lol.
For the necromancer, you need characters that can reach second and third row/place becaue he usually hide behind adds/mobs. I rarely had to chance to move it in front.
For the hag it's more difficult because she hide behind a pot that take 2 places/row.
So you need attacks to reach her (3 place/row) since she won't be moving at all.
For example, the poor leeper, if my memory i right he doen't have any skills that allow to attack third place.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I don't see how a "+ 3 ACC -1SPD" item will greatly increase the speed of beating the game XD
bobnowhere
Member
I went with Crusader/Vestal/Plague Doctor/Jester. I basically turtled my way through the dungeon. Healing with the vestal, curing blight/bleeding with the doc and managing stress with the jester. Slow but effective, but I got completely overwhelmed at the boss. I'm thinking of swapping in a bounty hunter for the doc and just buying heaps of bandages and cures.
Its more of finding a glitch that allows you to copy items which would open up a lot of avenues for speedrunning.
names2hard4you
Member
The more I play the more of the hang I get to the game. Red Hook has got a really fine game here.
or bounty hunters since there is no hidding from them lol. They will find Finish you.
Finish Him is such a good fucking attack.
"Damage Modifier". + means plus and - means minus
Begaria
Member
*rolls eyes*
Fighting some swines in the Warrens. This one swine vomits three separate times in three separate rounds on my Crusader and gave him Rabies, Tetanus, and Syphilis. Jesus.
Edit:
Ugh, sometimes I really, REALLY hate the random events that can happen when leaving someone at a stress relief place. I just lost a really good trinket for my best highwayman and my one and only Hellion that was on my A team took off (hopefully she'll be back).
Fighting some swines in the Warrens. This one swine vomits three separate times in three separate rounds on my Crusader and gave him Rabies, Tetanus, and Syphilis. Jesus.
Edit:
Ugh, sometimes I really, REALLY hate the random events that can happen when leaving someone at a stress relief place. I just lost a really good trinket for my best highwayman and my one and only Hellion that was on my A team took off (hopefully she'll be back).
aDanByTheRiver
Member
this game is kicking my ass.
that is all.
that is all.
twozerotwo
Member
Played for a little under an hour. Liking it but I've run into two issues.
1. I had major slowdown during combat unless I switched to windowed mode. Not a big deal but annoying because the window is only so big.
2. I keep running into a glitch that I can't click on anything on the town. I have to completely close the game and re-launch to fix it.
On a Mac, btw.
1. I had major slowdown during combat unless I switched to windowed mode. Not a big deal but annoying because the window is only so big.
2. I keep running into a glitch that I can't click on anything on the town. I have to completely close the game and re-launch to fix it.
On a Mac, btw.
Sometimes an enemy attack is intentionally a stress attack. It's usually pretty thematic, like blood being thrown on you, or one of the pig-men vomiting on you. The "crit" isn't to your health - it's to your stress.
I feel this being not the case. I remember buying so much gear that my gold was 0 before the mission. Upon completion of said mention i got the bounty gold as well as exchanging in exact value of items/gold found.... which yielded back total of 6.6k gold. But i still had at least 2.5k of supplies in my inventory....all i got was 6.5k not 9k gold in the end.
Rather its not selling the supplies correctly (bug) or its not intended to sell....in my experience at least.
Id like to get some feedback from my fellow dungeon crawlers.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Welp.
20 hours in and the game is in an infinite crash loop because it crashed due to a guy dying right as a fight started.
20 hours in and the game is in an infinite crash loop because it crashed due to a guy dying right as a fight started.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Yep, first time I tried it i couldn't.
I've concluded that this game is too heavy on the RNG to appeal to the masses. It's just not fun to feel screwed over by forces outside of your control so consistently.
I have a Leper trading card I would like to trade.
I need either one of these (since 1:1)
Grave Robber
The Hellion
The Jester
The Occultist
The Plague Doctor
Trade Link: https://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=47549607&token=vtxhVJiZ
I need either one of these (since 1:1)
Grave Robber
The Hellion
The Jester
The Occultist
The Plague Doctor
Trade Link: https://steamcommunity.com/tradeoffer/new/?partner=47549607&token=vtxhVJiZ