MadchesterManc
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Will this actually be available to wider public? Everyone's talking modding but it could just end up being another black-box solution for developers
"Easily Remaster Classic Games with NVIDIA RTX Remix"
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SF Kosmo
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I doubt this would work because I think the rendering is handled more in software, but stuff like GameCube games in Dolphin might, just like Dolphin work with VR mods and such.
DeaconOfTheDank
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Now this, this is why I have a PC. Modding is one of the greatest advantages to PC gaming and this feature takes things to the next level. Developers are gonna have to put in some extra effort for any "remasters" going forward.
Trogdor1123
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Things like this make me want to build a pc for myself. It's really neat.
Side note, I bought morrowind years ago with the intent to install mods as there are ones out there that essentially totally redo the game but the mod would never "stick" and it would boot like normal. It was frustrating as hell.
It is the steam version. I could never figure out what I was doing wrong
Side note, I bought morrowind years ago with the intent to install mods as there are ones out there that essentially totally redo the game but the mod would never "stick" and it would boot like normal. It was frustrating as hell.
It is the steam version. I could never figure out what I was doing wrong
Cert.in.Death
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Honestly, throwing an AI solution at old games hasn't usually borne out well
*glances in GTA: Trilogy's direction*
*glances in GTA: Trilogy's direction*
The_Mike
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As a male, it's not your eyes you use vaseline on.Looks like a layer of Vaseline on stuff.
Fbh
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Will wait until they show the overall result on a variety of games instead of cherry picked examples.
But at least so far this seems amazing
PC: "Here's this tool to automatically remaster your old games for free. Here's the new DLSS further enhancing performance and it's already coming to 30+ of the hottest recent and upcoming games"
Consoles: "yeah I'm going to need an extra $10 to bump the resolution a bit and enable the 60fps toggle on this Ps4 game because it's just so much extra work"
But at least so far this seems amazing
PC: "Here's this tool to automatically remaster your old games for free. Here's the new DLSS further enhancing performance and it's already coming to 30+ of the hottest recent and upcoming games"
Consoles: "yeah I'm going to need an extra $10 to bump the resolution a bit and enable the 60fps toggle on this Ps4 game because it's just so much extra work"
Fuz
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Buggy Loop
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Best feature from Nvidia by far. Holy crap, they are so ahead of AMD in AI.
Jensen just dropped the big D on the table and gave a solution to remaster games for free
Jensen just dropped the big D on the table and gave a solution to remaster games for free
I think emulators use some sort of Direct X wrapper, I don't know how it works exactly but with that you can use Reshade on certain emulators and also extract 3d models.
SF Kosmo
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It depends on the emulator. MAME, for example, works completely in software and just uses DirectX for things like filtering and scaling the screen. But most N64 emulators use HLE which just offloads rendering to DirectX or OpenGL, so those would be most likely to work.
Of course since this only uses DX8 and 9, we might be talking about legacy emulators (or at least graphics plugins), rather than anything modern.
Vick
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Shadowstar39
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Is this a one button switch or how do we go about doing this. Just saying "X" is possible is fine but doesn't wow me.
Other things are possible, doesn't mean they get done.
Quake 2 rtx - it looks like magic, and just a button press, but further investigation shows that it was built on a modded engine and with new high res textures.
IF you used the existing textures the rtx mod would not look good.
So i guess these will require teams of modders to make anything.
Then we wait and maybe we get something.
So that morrowind demo doesn't actually exist, its just a screen bait for sales....grrr.
I have a 3060ti so I am good, but the actual files need to be made to download.
Let us know when there is something to download, otherwise just pie in the sky for now.
IF i am wrong and this is a simple button press and "add rtx" then color me shocked, but I don't believe it until i see it on my pc.
Other things are possible, doesn't mean they get done.
Quake 2 rtx - it looks like magic, and just a button press, but further investigation shows that it was built on a modded engine and with new high res textures.
IF you used the existing textures the rtx mod would not look good.
So i guess these will require teams of modders to make anything.
Then we wait and maybe we get something.
So that morrowind demo doesn't actually exist, its just a screen bait for sales....grrr.
I have a 3060ti so I am good, but the actual files need to be made to download.
Let us know when there is something to download, otherwise just pie in the sky for now.
IF i am wrong and this is a simple button press and "add rtx" then color me shocked, but I don't believe it until i see it on my pc.
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CuteFaceJay
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More hyped about this during the stream than I was the new cards to be honest.
SF Kosmo
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You could watch the video, it addresses all of this.
The tool has built in AI upscaling for textures, as well as AI to turn flat textures into physically based materials.
It also has its own editor, and doesn't need to use a game's existing mod tools, so making changes and updates where the AI gets something wrong is easier than it would be with traditional modding. In the video they show making the paper in the paper lanterns opaque. The idea here is that it makes these things easy, even for games that don't have great mod support.
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SmokedMeat
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Damn this is nice.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It is really impressive but this would be so weird, off and just artificial.
I replay my classics as they were. I just change resolution and framerate
Ivan
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It is a great idea, but I don't like mods personally, especially messing with some legendary stuff. I don't like some random guy doing a revision of some great designer's work from the past. I'd hate that type of revisionism in movies too.
But as a technology it is great and it will surely lead to many interesting things. But not for me personally.
And ray tracing might be the worst possible match for old games where you have everything looking ancient with lighting THAT advanced. I hate every single one of those demos...
But as a technology it is great and it will surely lead to many interesting things. But not for me personally.
And ray tracing might be the worst possible match for old games where you have everything looking ancient with lighting THAT advanced. I hate every single one of those demos...
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Light maps aren't baked into the textures, they're saved in a separate channel and multiplied against the textures in real time - it how they can be masked or have dynamic elements.
If this tool can pull out all 3d assets and build pbr materials adding roughness & normal maps to materials that didn't have them, scrapping a lightmap channel is no problem.
Everyone thinking this is a one click thing needs to get their expectations in check though. You need a few people working for a while just to capture everything and convert it. Anything resembling a remaster is a ton more work. This is not automatic, it's just makes something that was previously impossible, possible - assuming you are already an artist/game developer looking to do a passion project with friends.
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BusierDonkey
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I spent a couple thousand hours modding in Fallout 4. I replaced every single texture map in Fallout 4, many I remade myself with new bump maps and new specular maps in the original art style and I retouched many I found on mod sites. I also replaced nearly all the game's lights with shadow casting light sources. A program like this would have not only saved me time but in many cases the AI upscales textured might have looked better with a simple click.
This looks pretty easy to use and would be a great way to update old games with fuzzy textures without butchering the art direction. Many of the PC games from 2000 and beyond could benefit massively from this. Games that feature what I refer to as "pudding textures" that were clearly directly brought over from console versions of the same game without upscaling. In some cases texture packs found on mod sites fix it but more often than not the textures don't match the original art direction and quite often a game just didn't see enough mod interest to get texture artists making texture packs for the game.
This could make modding games more appealing to people who might otherwise not have the time it takes to do it all manually.
This looks pretty easy to use and would be a great way to update old games with fuzzy textures without butchering the art direction. Many of the PC games from 2000 and beyond could benefit massively from this. Games that feature what I refer to as "pudding textures" that were clearly directly brought over from console versions of the same game without upscaling. In some cases texture packs found on mod sites fix it but more often than not the textures don't match the original art direction and quite often a game just didn't see enough mod interest to get texture artists making texture packs for the game.
This could make modding games more appealing to people who might otherwise not have the time it takes to do it all manually.
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01011001
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well it depends how flexible these tools are.
I think for Mirror's Edge all it really needs is RT reflections given that you're constantly near or next to skyscraper windows and indoor areas with smooth reflective floors
so if you can use this tool to only add RT reflections then it would look just right imo
Gen.Grievous
Member
It looks really impressive but I'll wait for the first game that is "easily" remastered like this before jumping for joy.
Hugare
Member
You are right
I think for Mirrors Edge they could add only RT AO/Shadows and RT Reflections. Don't think that it would break the baked lighting sollution.
We will probably see, because Mirrors Edge RT was leaked along Bioshock RT on that Nvidia leak.
What I'm actually really excited here is not RT itself, but DLSS.
How will it behave alongside TAA and other AA from the past? Will it override them? Add on top of them? (ugh)
I'm excited for the Digital Foundry breakdown
Ulysses 31
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Thief games and Deus Ex with RTX! 
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March Climber
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Pejo
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Bookmarking this thread to watch the vid/read it after work, but this sounds amazing if it works as advertised.
I wonder what the performance overhead is for something like this? Obviously older games have the most benefit and probably won't feel a performance hit, but I wonder about 360/PS3 gen stuff, where the line will be. Great that it's on any Vulkan capable card though.
I wonder what the performance overhead is for something like this? Obviously older games have the most benefit and probably won't feel a performance hit, but I wonder about 360/PS3 gen stuff, where the line will be. Great that it's on any Vulkan capable card though.
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Gen.Grievous
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If only PS games were DX8/9
Fbh
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Yeah I have to be fair to MS, they have been pretty good with this.
My comment was more targeted at Nintendo and specially Sony.
RoadHazard
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So Nvidia will be giving away all these games? That's pretty cool!
TintoConCasera
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Absolute wizardry.
But still, I don't see myself ever using this. Games should be played (imho) as the devs intended. Messing around with the atmosphere and looks of an old game by injecting RTX into it could really alter the experience, which is not something I want when playing old games, or any games for that matter.
Still amazing to see this kind of stuff. Wonder what will nvidia come up next.
But still, I don't see myself ever using this. Games should be played (imho) as the devs intended. Messing around with the atmosphere and looks of an old game by injecting RTX into it could really alter the experience, which is not something I want when playing old games, or any games for that matter.
Still amazing to see this kind of stuff. Wonder what will nvidia come up next.
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ChoosableOne
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Skywind devs right now;
IbizaPocholo
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March Climber
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01011001
Banned
sine Crysis is DX9... yes... yes is should be able to
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
replay skyrim
Gen.Grievous
Member
Know you're joking but Skywind uses the TES5 engine, it will be far superior. This tool doesn't fix bad engines.Skywind devs right now;
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GymWolf
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Literally started a new run like a month ago (then paused because i need like 2 free months to waste on that game).replay skyrim
The thing is, i rarely replay very old games and rtx on shitty graphic does absolutely nothing for me in term of appeal
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