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[hamchan]

So DOA Paradise gets a 6 from EDGE and according to the scale everyone else supposedly uses this would mean the game should be getting 8s!!!!

 

[Tom Penny]

Lame. No PS3 exclusive to complain about the score.

 

[Fersis]

SSFIV!!!! YESSSSSSSSSS !

Sadly i dont care about reviews! :lol

 

[TheRagnCajun]

GAF will never be happy.

 

[CabbageRed]

Nice to see Flotilla getting some love.

7 for Flotilla? Nice

Man, really tempted by that game despite the huge backlog.

Since each game lasts somewhere short of 60 minutes or so (depending on the mode you choose and your playing style), it's an easy game to casually slip between larger titles that demand more lengthy investments of time.

 

[electroshockwave]

So that means that Edge gave DoA Pardise its second highest score. Also, Paradise's highest rating comes from PSM3 UK with a score of 69 Duuude! so I think that might be a joke score. http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psp/deadoraliveparadise

It's not "underscoring PS3 exclusives" that makes Edge's reviews questionable for me it's crap like this and other mediocre games that get rated higher or on par with games that are clearly better while supposedly using the full scale.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Echoshift is a great game. Glad to see it get reviewed.

 

[Mar]

It's not "underscoring PS3 exclusives" that makes Edge's reviews questionable for me it's crap like this and other mediocre games that get rated higher or on par with games that are clearly better while supposedly using the full scale.

So 'clearly better' means a AAA title with a bajillion dollars injected into it, right?

After all these years you'd think some people would clue in that EDGE doesn't give two crusty turds about how much money is thrown into a title. Every game is on equal footing, and while other critics will rate AAA titles a 10 and a mediocre game a 1, EDGE will use their entire scale and rate a game on what it brings to the table. DOA might be terrible for you and me, but in the end it does what it does and if someone likes that kind of thing they'd probably enjoy it.

At least you don't have to play for 20 hours before you get a bit of titillation.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Conviction – 8 (details)

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Surprisingly good score for Red Steel 2 as well.

 

[NIGHT-]

Lame. No PS3 exclusive to complain about the score.

:lol So true.

 

[Htown]

Mega Man 10 = Dead or Alive Paradise?

Thought I'd heard it was better than that.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Is 5 actually an average score for Edge? Because in that case, a 6 would be above average, thus generally pretty good.

Of all the games reviewed, only one is below average. I haven't played any of these games, but it looks like your standard monthly list of video game releases. Considering all the games ever released, I imagine there are more games on the list that time will consider pretty average/below average.

To me, it looks like 7 is their average, but what do I know?

 

[electroshockwave]

So 'clearly better' means a AAA title with a bajillion dollars injected into it, right?

I never mentioned AAA titles or anything to do with budget, I could have been referring to Megaman 10 or Resonance of Fate or any number of other titles that DoA Paradise is apparently equal to.

 

[Shurs]

Super Street Fighter IV - Outstanding
Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Conviction – Excellent
Flotilla – Great
Echoshift - Great
Monster Hunter Tri - Great
Red Steel 2 – Great
Dead or Alive Paradise - Good
Dead To Rights: Retribution – Good
Mega Man 10 - Good
Metro 2033 – Good
Resonance of Fate - Good
Command and Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight - Average
Fret Nice - Poor

 

[Stink]

The score is just a number. Read the text.

 

[chicken_ramen]

Isn't this stupid apples to oranges review comparison nonsense off limits? It's idiotic, regardless.

 

[FunBoy]

C&C 4 only deserves that score soley because it has kane in it. The rest of it can burn in hell!

 

[Osietra]

DOA Paradise only got a decent score because Tony Mott likes girls with huge tits games.
Which just shows that Edge is human.

 

[mujun]

I'm an xbot so I'm here to complain bitterly about that Conviction review score!

Wait a second...

8 is a good score.

Ah well, moving on to the real point of discussion. Everybody buy Flotilla (on Indie Games because it's half the price of the PC version), it is really really good.

 

[British Monsoon]

Here's all the closing summeries from the reviews;

Splinter Cell: Conviction - 8/10;

Conviction is in reach of greatness. It's flaws stand out in the short singleplayer campaign, and it's tail end relies too much on the gunplay that the game otherwise relegates to a begrudging last resort. But when it hits it's stride, the enviroments unlock the player's tactical ambitions in a way that's truly empowering, launching you between shadow and light, discretion and aggression. In some ways it's sad to say goodbye to old, subtle Fisher, but as Splinter Cell goes from covert to overt, a new found dynamism emerges, happily driving players to return to it's vicious little sandbox battles, tempting them to obliterate enemies in ever slicker, quicker ways. And that's surely the hallmark of any true conviction: it bears repeating.

Red Steel 2 - 7/10;

Despite limitations, the core of Red Steel 2 contains a combat system that weaves and crosses genres with all the finesse and grace of it's katana-weilding star. After the first game, the series was in need of a rethink; now all it needs is refinement.

Resonance of Fate - 6/10;

That's the problem - for all the spectacle of Resonance's gunfights, the game feels restrictive. It's a strategy game in which your tactical options are limited to one or two reliable strategies, and an RPG in which character development is chained to similar lines. There are some novel ideas here, but they exist within a system as strict and predictable as clockwork itself.

Dead to Rights: Retribution - 6/10;

In many ways it would be fitting to say that Retribution has the thirdperson shooter by the balls, but the game is too uneven and modest for that to be entirely appropriate. It's simple, enjoyable, and in wisely steerring clear of trying anything grand or complex, is an enjoyable if self-contained success.

Monter Hunter Tri - 7/10;

Duality is at the heart of Tri - it is both tourism and dungeon crawl, reconnaissance and gung-ho attacks, hunter and gatherer, new and old. Full of solitary exploration, it's at it's best when played in groups. And so, burdened with Nintendo's expectations, it manages to be that rarest of things: a Wii game you've just got to try online.

Metro 2033 - 6/10;

Metro is at it's best deep underground, away from the demands of a modern action game and engrossed in the cultures that cling to it's tunnels, the atmosphere boosted by subtitled Russian and the writing and voice-acting creating fascinating windows into a struggling world. So it's a shame that the glimpses are fleeting, the enging seeming more at home with large numbers of stationary characters, lit beautifully and characterised by textured art design. With more to do down there in the doldrums, and a few more intimate stories to tell, Metro could have warranted a return ticket.

Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight - 5/10;

C&C has usually made useful, welcome changes to bridge the time-gap between core releases. With age often comes wisdom, but so too does poor memory and a dulling of the series. The latest C&C may be dressed in new age clothes, but there's no hiding what's underneath.

Super Street Fighter IV - 9/10;

The new fighters slot straight into SSFIV's roster, and not one repeats what's already there. You can smash Ibuki into a corner and brutally dominate, or with cutting flurries she can do exactly the same to you. Juri's like a snake, pouncing and prowling across the stage. Dudley's got dreamily damaging target combos and endless ways to set up his super. This is brand new, yet it tastes vintage. Because it's nothing less than Capcom at it's best in the genre it defines.

Mega Man 10 - 6/10;

There is enjoyment to be had for those who like their games to test the mettle as well as provide escapism. Few other games, even at their most challenging, offer quite such a high as defeating one of the game's bosses. For less able players, Capcom has inserted a new easy mode. The result is a ar less stressfull experience, but a muted one, too. Without the brutal challenge it's a game that will take mere hours to finish and even fewer to forget.

Fret Nice - 4/10;

While playing with the more conventional controls (as opposed to a guitar controller) make for a more satisfying experience, they also expose the painful ordinariness of the game. Despite a visual language that borrows much from LittleBigPlanet's hand-made aesthetic, the bongo battering GameCube platformer Jungle Beat is arguably it's closest relation. Unfourtunatly, Fret Nice lacks the coherence and cleverness of both of those titles and sounds a bum note right from the beginning.

Flotilla - 7/10;

The game is brief, and although adventures are randomised, encounters quickly begin repeating. The battles, meanwhile, are engaging despite their simplicity, and it's beatiful to watch each turn play out. You'll likely find you've had your fill of singleplayer after a few hours, but if you can find a friend to sit with you can play co-operatively or go head to head in skirmish mode. For it's low price, it's a good deal.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Mega Man 10 = Dead or Alive Paradise?

Thought I'd heard it was better than that.

You guys do know that the "so basically x > y" meme was banned for this very reason right? Comparing scores for games on different platforms in different genres isn't academic.

 

[hamchan]

You guys do know that the "so basically x > y" meme was banned for this very reason right? Comparing scores for games on different platforms in different genres isn't academic.

I guess Dead or Alive Paradise provides the same amount of satisfaction to creepy perverts as Mega man 10 does to retro gamers.

 

[Swittcher]

Might rent Dead to Rights if Edge thinks it's a 6.

 

[darkwings]

Probably because the game doesn't insist on taking up 60 hours or more from your life if you choose to play through it.

As opposed to other rpgs?

 

[cacildo]

"So Monster Hunter 3 is only 1 point better then DoA Paradise?

How are we supposed to take EDGE seriously?"


Different reviewers, etc.

<Shivers> so i can only imagine that the DoA Paradise reviewer must be one hell of a creepy guy

 

[Verapamil]

6's:
Dead or Alive Paradise - 6
Dead To Rights: Retribution – 6
Mega Man 10 - 6
Metro 2033 – 6
Resonance of Fate - 6

Ouch. I'm sure there are redeeming points to DOA over ROF, right? No wait, I reversed that...

 

[Pooya]

thanks Bootay, I'll add it to the OP

 

[Visualante]

Metro 2033 review was the 360 version tested. Next month looks suspiciously like Little Big Planet decal artwork... featuring a very spacey sci-fi vibe

Looks like a great issue. Reading now. Love the haters.

 

[itsinmyveins]

As opposed to other rpgs?

Final Fantasy XIII got a rather mediocre score from Edge. Playing a mediocre game for 60 hours is clearly worse than playing another mediocre game for 10.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

source

thanks Bootaaay for the summaries.



Super Street Fighter IV - 9/10;

 

[Swittcher]

:lol

 

[Oyashiro]

Hm... well, would have been nice if ROF got at least a 7, but I'm not complaining. It's higher than FFXIII, so I guess that means I should buy it. :lol

Definitely picking this issue up for the Time Extend on Pokemon R/B!

 

[jufonuk]

SSFIV must buy
RS2 already have it, reading the closing comments part, I like what edge has to say..

MH3 i pre-ordered this on faith that it was good, still hopeful

as for edge's score, hmm so what if I like a game I like the game.

I feel edge can be overly critical at times, but I don't live and die by what they score.

Spoiler

Anyone who things my argument is to reasonable then,RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGETINFOILHATSTHEDEMONSILIKECAAAAAAAKE..scoremygamebetterorIwillgettehinternetsonyoooouuuuu!!! Rage Rage Rage, and a partdrige in a pear tree

 

[JDSN]

Why is no one bitching? I thought Paradise was a Sony family exclusive.

 

[McBradders]

SSFIV must buy
RS2 already have it, reading the closing comments part, I like what edge has to say..

MH3 i pre-ordered this on faith that it was good, still hopeful

as for edge's score, hmm so what if I like a game I like the game.

I feel edge can be overly critical at times, but I don't live and die by what they score.

This sensible kind of post is not welcome in Edge threads, kindly pick a side or get out

EDIT: Damn your edit :lol

 

[Urban Scholar]

MH3 i pre-ordered this on faith that it was good, still hopeful

as for edge's score, hmm so what if I like a game I like the game.

I feel edge can be overly critical at times, but I don't live and die by what they score.

I hope more people follow suit, I'd really like to play online with gaf members. I tend to find Edge's text to really be the reason to keep coming back. Personally that's why I keep visiting these threads, buy the issues, and etc.

 

[tzare]

lol at SSFIV and DoA paradise scores. It is edge afterall i guess

 

[jufonuk]

This sensible kind of post is not welcome in Edge threads, kindly pick a side or get out

EDIT: Damn your edit :lol

Then I will get my army of flying nuke parrots to locate the edge office and attack how dare they score RS2 lower then BANANA HAMMOCK SHAMROCKS .75 to the Minus cactus how could they, Frothing at the mouth, would anyone like to build a snow man??
Tally ho!!

EDit on a more serious note: when I get MH3 I will put the FC up and looking forward to playing gaffers online. urban Scholar you from PAL land? if so would you like to join my monster hunting party?

 

[jarosh]

their score for mm10 sounds about right, but this:

Mega Man 10 - 6/10;

Quote:
There is enjoyment to be had for those who like their games to test the mettle as well as provide escapism. Few other games, even at their most challenging, offer quite such a high as defeating one of the game's bosses. For less able players, Capcom has inserted a new easy mode. The result is a ar less stressfull experience, but a muted one, too. Without the brutal challenge it's a game that will take mere hours to finish and even fewer to forget.

sounds like it was written by someone who doesn't understand mega man or most games from the 8-bit era. "without the brutal challenge it's a game that will take mere hours to finish and even fewer to forget". mega man games don't take long to finish. they never have. this isn't a valid criticism of mm10. most experienced mega man players finish any new or old mega man game in 1 hour or less. that doesn't take away from the enjoyment. it's an arcadey game meant to be finished in 1 or 2 sittings. the reason why people who enjoy mega man don't just chew through the games and then forget about them is because they keep going back to them. these are infinitely re-playable games. they're not throwaway experiences like a lot of modern games that might last a lot longer on a first playthrough, but then often are never returned to. and this doesn't apply to mega man only but to a lot of games from the 8 and 16-bit era.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Splinter Cell review got me excited!

 

[The Technomancer]

It's nothing like Pokemon...

Think they're thinking of Monster Rancher, which was what I first thought of when I heard MH as well.

I hope more people follow suit, I'd really like to play online with gaf members. I tend to find Edge's text to really be the reason to keep coming back. Personally that's why I keep visiting these threads, buy the issues, and etc.

Assuming they're still doing the bundle with the CC Pro, don't worry, I'll be getting it for my birthday.

 

[Safe Bet]

They always find a way.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

I was surprised and impressed Dead to Rights managed to be properly good enough for a 6 until I saw the DoA Paradise score.

The summary is in line with my expectations though. It continues to sound like a bargain bin pick-up for people who like simple, dumb, chunky action.

 

[chicken_ramen]

their score for mm10 sounds about right, but this:



sounds like it was written by someone who doesn't understand mega man or most games from the 8-bit era. "without the brutal challenge it's a game that will take mere hours to finish and even fewer to forget". mega man games don't take long to finish. they never have. this isn't a valid criticism of mm10. most experienced mega man players finish any new or old mega man game in 1 hour or less. that doesn't take away from the enjoyment. it's an arcadey game meant to be finished in 1 or 2 sittings. the reason why people who enjoy mega man don't just chew through the games and then forget about them is because they keep going back to them. these are infinitely re-playable games. they're not throwaway experiences like a lot of modern games that might last a lot longer on a first playthrough, but then often are never returned to. and this doesn't apply to mega man only but to a lot of games from the 8 and 16-bit era.

It took me a while to parse that quote from the review, but I think you've missed what they're saying. Basically, 'On normal it's hard but rewarding. On easy it's short and forgettable.' As a final paragraph it's a weird way to round out the review, but I assume the overarching point the reviewer is trying to make is that the game is either very hard or very easy. They're not saying that the game is too short, it just reads that way at first.

 

[Skilotonn]

It's going to be a fairly tame thread with the games reviewed this month, nice.

Splinter Cell is exactly what I expected after playing the demo and reading the previews and having no Spies vs. Mercs...

SSFIV, I didn't need EDGE to tell me to buy one of the games that will consume my gaming time, but excellent news for those that do rely on that sort of thing...

I haven't played DOAP nor do I have any interest in Team Ninja games now after Itagaki and crew left, even though I have a PSP, but it silly as usual to judge the score when you didn't even play the thing nor read why it got what it got, but yeah, this is NeoGAF.

And here we go again.

Bah.. children.

Well, you tell me, what's actually childish - him pointing out what honestly happens everytime a PS3 exclusive gets graded with anything less than a 10, sometimes 9, sometimes 8, 7 whatever, and they bitch and moan without even reading the actual meat & bones - the review itself, or...

The people that actually do the above, and can't grasp the simple conception of different people having different opinions than their own, month after month after month - I'm surely not complaining, because it makes for some great laughs, even though it's as simple as just NOT posting in the thread and wiping EDGE from their memory, but nooooooo, they HAVE to let everyone else know how they feel, and make themselves look like laughing stocks in front of everyone else... :lol

 

[mujun]

Why is no one bitching? I thought Paradise was a Sony family exclusive.

Roots in xbox. I think we should use this exact thread as proof Sony flavored Kool-Aid drinkers truly are a special kind of crazy :lol

 

[SmokyDave]

Roots in xbox. I think we should use this exact thread as proof Sony flavored Kool-Aid drinkers truly are a special kind of crazy :lol

Isn't it more proof that there are more 'Sony Flavoured Kool-Aid Drinker Baiters' than there are 'Sony Flavoured Kool-Aid Drinkers'?

That's what most of this topic has been about since the first reply. People just swinging at shadows seeing 'fanboys' in every corner.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

It took me a while to parse that quote from the review, but I think you've missed what they're saying. Basically, 'On normal it's hard but rewarding. On easy it's short and forgettable.' As a final paragraph it's a weird way to round out the review, but I assume the overarching point the reviewer is trying to make is that the game is either very hard or very easy. They're not saying that the game is too short, it just reads that way at first.

It's not about being hard or easy. It's about being forgettable... as in there wasn't much interesting or memorable going on in this game. It's also stating that it IS short and you really notice how little content is in the game on easy mode. They took the veil off and were left with less than if they were to just leave it on. You take away the difficulty and you are left with something forgettable and short...so that leaves a difficult game that relies on difficulty as the main attraction.

I'm not entirely sure I understand the argument that it's ok this game is very short because the other mega man's were. Alright, and?

 

[Stumpokapow]

I never mentioned AAA titles or anything to do with budget, I could have been referring to Megaman 10 or Resonance of Fate or any number of other titles that DoA Paradise is apparently equal to.

by this logic, every movie roger ebert gives 3 stars to, he feels they're all equal to each other.

that's not how it works.

 

[Always-honest]

always amusing. endearing almost