"Edge" is free?! EA to Tim Langdell: "Fuck you"

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LiquidMetal14 said:
The end is near?

I wouldn't put it that strongly.

The point of no return - which is probably discovery - is pretty close in the sense of logical progression. But that doesn't mean it will happen next week or so - the law tends to the slow-and-certain approach except in criminal matters where it is the other way round.
 
dose said:
He's started using Edge magazine's branding for his own merchandise again...

http://www.cafepress.com/EDGEGAMES
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That piece of shit
 
The_Technomancer said:
Right, Tim, that logic would be what we call "fallacious". Do you know what that word means?


Don't expand his vocabul...! Oh, great. Now he's trademarked it.
 
In which Tim Langdell files a motion complaining about delays and insisting that a case be heard swiftly. Told you it was hilarious. Details of this are further down.

Thanks to BluWacky for reminding me of this case, which I hadn’t been paying much attention to.

Why are there two cases?

The main case we have been discussing (the ‘cancellation case’) is EA’s petition to get five of Langdell’s existing trademarks cancelled on the grounds of fraud and/or abandonment.

This other one (the ‘opposition case’) is EA objecting to (opposing) Langdell getting a new one registered.

Why is the opposition case important?

It is about the ‘EDGE’ trademark as applied to video games etc etc. Whereas in the cancellation case the two ‘EDGE’ trademarks are for printed matter, magazines, books etc etc.

I had totally missed that point before – means we (and a whole lot of other people too!) have been looking in the wrong place. The cancellation case does not itself apply to the EDGE mark for video games. Not yet.

This raises the rather obvious question as to why EA did not apply to cancel the EDGE mark as applied to games. Did EA’s lawyers screw up?

No.

The bizarre answer appears to be that Langdell did not (and still doesn’t) have a registered trademark for EDGE as applied to games!

His previous registration (#1853705) for this was cancelled in 2005.

I’ve highlighted that because it is both surprising and important – but for now, take it with a pinch of salt, as there is only so much rummaging that I can do in a day, and there’s another registration that I haven’t been able to track down yet.

It seems as though he has been relying on this pending application, rather than an actual registration, in disputes with other parties.

Background to the case

Langdell applied for this trademark in 2006, soon after his last one was cancelled.

EA filed opposition last November on the grounds of fraud and abandonment – same as in the cancellation case.

Langdell filed an answer on 19th March. It is a very boring answer in which he straight out denies everything, requiring EA to prove their case.

On 31st March EA applied to consolidate this case with the cancellation case, as they both cover the same legal ground on the same evidence.

Yesterday Langdell filed a rather strange motion opposing the cases being consolidated.

Langdell’s motion

Here it is:

http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91193736&pty=OPP&eno=1

Summarising brutally – within the course of a few pages Langdell
(a) complains about the delays in the cancellation case caused by a series of motions (all his!) and says that consolidating the cases would deny him swift justice in this one, and
(b) threatens to file a series of motions in this case for dismissal/summary judgment and so on

Ah, sweet irony. Especially since in this case, as Langdell says “discovery was about to commence”.

Why is he doing this?

Partly, it seems, that because EA has not particularised fraud in the opposition filing – and he thinks he can use this as a lever to get the case dismissed, claim victory and then use this case as a lever to dismiss the other one.

Partly to bolster his justification for further delaying the cancellation case on the grounds that EA will have to submit an amended petition. (Which seems very dodgy indeed to me, since EA have already done so, though it was after Langdell filed his second motion to dismiss).



That’s as much as I have time for today. There are more interesting quirks in this that I will come to on a later post.
 
BluWacky said:
Does he have a leg to stand on re: his comments on the claims of fraudulent registration? It's true that the Snoopy material he uses to support the Edge registration has been used in the past, but my understanding of US trademark registrations is that you need to prove recent usage of the mark in a particular context (in fact, in every class you want to register the mark) and can't use evidence from years ago to do so - is this not in fact the case?

If not, I'll kill our trademark lawyers, I spent a good week sourcing recent US uses of a trademark we recently renewed for them last year...

I am pretty sure that your trademark lawyers are right.

It is actually possible to renew a registration on an oath of continued use rather than current evidence, but I guess most sane companies wouldn't do it that way - as it might leave whoever swore the oath personally liable if the company screwed up. Proper companies don't do that sort of stuff to their employees.
 
phisheep said:
The bizarre answer appears to be that Langdell did not (and still doesn’t) have a registered trademark for EDGE as applied to games!

His previous registration (#1853705) for this was cancelled in 2005.

I’ve highlighted that because it is both surprising and important – but for now, take it with a pinch of salt, as there is only so much rummaging that I can do in a day, and there’s another registration that I haven’t been able to track down yet.

It seems as though he has been relying on this pending application, rather than an actual registration, in disputes with other parties.

So he has a pending registration that's been taking very long to become official, or has he not tried to register since then (if so why not)? I'm a bit confused.
 
Tempy said:
So he has a pending registration that's been taking very long to become official, or has he not tried to register since then (if so why not)? I'm a bit confused.

Yep, it's a pending registration filed in 2006 that's taken a long time to come to fruition (I believe this is because there have been some intermediate disputes, but haven't yet had time to work out exactly what they are).

EDIT: Note that these cases are all about US trademarks registrations, and they don't necessarily have a bearing on what happens where Langdell holds trademarks in other jurisdictions.
 
phisheep said:
Partly, it seems, that because EA has not particularised fraud in the opposition filing – and he thinks he can use this as a lever to get the case dismissed, claim victory and then use this case as a lever to dismiss the other one.

Isn't not stating fraud with particularity a pretty big mistake?
 
phisheep said:
Partly, it seems, that because EA has not particularised fraud in the opposition filing – and he thinks he can use this as a lever to get the case dismissed, claim victory and then use this case as a lever to dismiss the other one.

Filing a Fed. R. Civ. P. 9(b) motion to dismiss is standard fare for any defendant charged with fraud. From my reading of EA's fraud motion, they stated it with sufficient particularity.

Remember that EA needs to not plead themselves out of court by stating facts that they can't be sure of prior to discovery. I suspect that the court will deny Langdell's motion and proceed to discovery.

I'm not an expert on this subject, but I am in the middle of studying for my Civil Procedure final on Monday, so I'm fairly current on standards for 9(b) motions. EA has great lawyers and seems to have covered its bases here.
 
Zinthar said:
Filing a Fed. R. Civ. P. 9(b) motion to dismiss is standard fare for any defendant charged with fraud. From my reading of EA's fraud motion, they stated it with sufficient particularity.
Remember that EA needs to not plead themselves out of court by stating facts that they can't be sure of prior to discovery. I suspect that the court will deny Langdell's motion and proceed to discovery.

I'm not an expert on this subject, but I am in the middle of studying for my Civil Procedure final on Monday, so I'm fairly current on standards for 9(b) motions. EA has great lawyers and seems to have covered its bases here.

On the bolded bit - they did in the cancellation filing, but not in the opposition filing (for example, they did not particularise intent) - so far as I can tell.

I'm glad you're here though - nice to have someone who knows their way somewhat around the civil procedure - I have been struggling to get to grips with it from the wrong side of the Atlantic.

phisheep
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(Today, 09:43 PM)

Gosh, when did that happen? I am honoured.
 
So... got this email from Mobigame:


The multi award winning game "Edge" is back on the App Store in the United States and in the United Kingdom!

We invite everyone to download the game to celebrate with us, and to make it happen we drop the price to $0,99 this week end! (normal price $4,99 80% off)

During one year we had to fight a fraud to release our game in the U.S and in the U.K. Today the justice will take care of him. We fought not only for us, but also for other indies and bigger companies. We were not alone during this year, and we thank all of you for all your efforts. Thanks to US the word "edge" is now free to exist on the App Store like on any other marketplace, and games like Mirror's Edge, Shadow Edge, Killer Edge Racing or Edge by Mobigame can live on our iDevices. If you want to read more about this story, please read http://chaosedge.wordpress.com/

So.. it's over?!
 
Leondexter said:
:lol

Oh, well. There probably weren't going to be many games called "Fallacious X" anyway. ;^p

And as you write that, he's opened a lawsuit against Tenacious D for suspicious similarities.
 
Jim said:
So... got this email from Mobigames:

Finally! Thanks for the heads up, this is great news.

Edit:

Just a word of warning-- it's currently showing up as "$0.99" in the app store search tab, but when you go to the main buy-screen it's still $4.99. Definitely wait til tomorrow or Sunday to buy if you want the sale price.
 
Jim said:
So.. it's over?!

Plenty of time to go in the court case. No fat lady has yet sung.

I imagine this means that Apple have woken up to the fact that Langdell has run out of legs to stand on. Took them long enough.
 
lol.. after owning my iphone for almost a year I FINALLY have this historic game.. haha...
 
borghe said:
lol.. after owning my iphone for almost a year I FINALLY have this historic game.. haha...

Exactly why everyone should purchase this.

They should also rename it "EDGE: FUCK YOU TIM LANGDELL."
 
What good news, but until it's completely settled I remain cautiously optimistic. But it's still good to see the slow destruction of Tim Langdell's dbag reign.
 
If I had an iphone i'd buy the game, it also looks pretty cool.

And goddamnit finally Tim Langdell can go assfuck himself.
 
EMBee99 said:
Exactly why everyone should purchase this.

They should also rename it "EDGE: FUCK YOU TIM LANGDELL."

Now in AppStore:

EDGE: GAME OF THE GO-FUCK-YOURSELF-TIM-LANGDELL EDITION
 
In a couple weeks, I'll be doing a 30 minute presentation about the history of Edge and its trademark disputes for my Computer Law class. Should be fun. :lol

I went ahead and bought the game for my iphone this morning. Cool game!

toythatkills said:
That's cute... what's it from?
 
Edgeward said:
What good news, but until it's completely settled I remain cautiously optimistic.
As you should. Should Langell pull a miracle out of his ass and actually win you'd have to change your name.
 
From Edge Games website: :lol

Developers:
Edge is always interested to receive game submission and to hear from independent developers interested in working with us:
dev@edgegames.com


translation:
Developers!
Hey buddy, gotta great game idea? send it to us, that way, we will own rights to it, and actually develop and publish the ones that are good. What do you get out of it? You get to see your own game see the light of day!! That alone should bring a warm smile to your heart. Money compensation? Um.... you sent US the game submission, we own it now, so fuck off! And we'll probably sue you for something.
 
EMBee99 said:
Exactly why everyone should purchase this.

They should also rename it "EDGE: FUCK YOU TIM LANGDELL."

EDGE: Edge of the Edge of the Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge Edge


Might as well now that they can.
 
oracrest said:
From Edge Games website: :lol

Developers:
Edge is always interested to receive game submission and to hear from independent developers interested in working with us:
dev@edgegames.com


translation:
Developers!
Hey buddy, gotta great game idea? send it to us, that way, we will own rights to it, and actually develop and publish the ones that are good. What do you get out of it? You get to see your own game see the light of day!! That alone should bring a warm smile to your heart. Money compensation? Um.... you sent US the game submission, we own it now, so fuck off! And we'll probably sue you for something.
We need to spam him with awful game ideas.
 
oracrest said:
From Edge Games website: :lol

Developers:
Edge is always interested to receive game submission and to hear from independent developers interested in working with us:
dev@edgegames.com


translation:
Developers!
Hey buddy, gotta great game idea? send it to us, that way, we will own rights to it, and actually develop and publish the ones that are good. What do you get out of it? You get to see your own game see the light of day!! That alone should bring a warm smile to your heart. Money compensation? Um.... you sent US the game submission, we own it now, so fuck off! And we'll probably sue you for something.


At every indie game thing... IGF, Indiecade, etc., you can see Langdell walking around, looking at games and talking to people. I always just assumed he's looking for a desperate indie dev to make a game for him that he can call "Mirrors by Edge" or something and lend his company legitimacy.

Fortunately everybody knows who he is :lol
 
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