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[Ol No Bones]

Well at least exclusive games will perform well.

It's the mindset that is bothering me. The 360 and ps3 were both duking it out to be more powerful. Both had advantages and besides the rrod the 360 was some damn good hardware for its time. Sony was at least interested in a simple elegant, and powerful apu. The guys at xbox knew what they were doing most likely and didn't care to compete in that front. But what's worse than that is that they have a inferior design and it cost you 100 DOLLARS more. After the price drop and redesign I will get the Xbox one most likely but it has to be ps4 first even though I loathe killzone and love halo. I will feel better about this after the first uncharted game.

 

[twobear]

Microsoft hasn't mentioned any ability to integrate with DVRs in any of the press material, and a large part of how it intends to interface with cable boxes is via IR blaster, which isn't complex enough to allow it. (edit: note that netflix is not a DVR. netflix is a different issue, and microsoft certainly could integrate netflix if the app was customized in theory).

DVR navigation and integration is a HUGE stumbling block for everyone that's tried it- in no small part because each cable and satellite operator as well as Tivo are using distinct, proprietary software, and MS does not have agreements in place with anyone except Time warner.

Oh, sorry, I got confused in your post, I thought you mean on-demand streaming apps on the console, for some reason.

 

[Skeff]

So....Where does it say PC in the article? oh it's not in the article...Is a PC a console? no. I guess PC GAF is done here.

If your going to fall back on "supercharged PC architecture" remember the word architecture and what it means, the PS4 architecture is supercharged for gaming compared to PC as the PC is a multi task system, when you have GPU's on PCI-E and split ram pools between GDDR and DDR then your aking compromises. The brute horsepower of a PC can be far ahead of the PS4, but that's not what they're talking about, they are talking about the architecture.


Back on topic.... This basically lines up with everything people have said and we're going to see the differences ourselves soon.

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

To be fair it's because its harder to create games for the cell as opposed to porting the 360 version. If you show me a 360 game that looks as good as God of War 3, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, or The Last of Us then I'll agree with you.

Edit:


This

Forza Horizon, halo 4? I agree that the ps3 exclusives are impressive, But I wouldn't say much more so than those 2 games.

ANyway back on topic. i think the ps4 will lay wake to the xbox one in due time. it will be obvious that it is the clear powerhouse

 

[Enordash]

Is it a contest anymore when one of the dicks clearly has a girth 50% bigger?

OT: if this is offensive to anyone I will remove

I laughed. All further jokes that I can make here would definitely be too inappropriate for any thread, lol.

It's the mindset that is bothering me. The 360 and ps3 were both duking it out to be more powerful. Both had advantages and besides the rrod the 360 was some damn good hardware for its time. Sony was at least interested in a simple elegant, and powerful apu. The guys at xbox knew what they were doing most likely and didn't care to compete in that front. But what's worse than that is that they have a inferior design and it cost you 100 DOLLARS more. After the price drop and redesign I will get the Xbox one most likely but it has to be ps4 first even though I loathe killzone and love halo. I will feel better about this after the first uncharted game.

The absolute price difference would only be truly relevant if both consoles offered the exact same experience. You have to at least concede that a part of the extra cost is toward the Kinect whether you want the device or not. People need to start arguing value instead of cost.

 

[BigDug13]

As for those who don't watch live TV at all (and this is growing) one doesn't need an xbox to throw hulu, netflix, amazon instant video, etc on the TV. every device under the sun does it by now including apple tv, roku, etc for $100.

And there is no paywall. On the media apps front, they can't compete with the PS4, Apple TV, Roku, or even Vita TV until media apps can be used for free. There is absolutely no hope of them taking over the living room when 2/3 of every Xbox owner has no access to media apps. PS3 is the most used Netflix streaming device in the world. And they have the same number of systems in the world as Xbox and Xbox 360 dominates more in the primary Netflix region. So what gives? Well only 1/3 of those owners can use Netflix.

(currently 2/3 of 360 owners have no access to media apps. I'm one of them.)

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I game mostly on PC, and hardly touch consoles anymore, and I'm even tired of the PC gamers trolling console stuff. Consoles have a important spot, PC don't get every game, they don't get a lot of the console games, and then there's games that are exclusive to the consoles, especially Playstation games.

 

[Htown]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

No lies detected.

 

[Manmademan]

You're making it sound like the console can't evolve and change with the market climate. The 360 (and PS3's) we have today are very different from what we had at launch in terms of feature sets and focus.

the reason why it can't is hardware related- I've already gone over the reasons why. but here's cnet's take on it:

Program guide overlay is easy, but DVR support is hard. The phrases "DVR" or "recordings" weren't mentioned during the event, which seems to indicate that television integration might be limited to live TV.

That's not surprising, as true DVR support is the stumbling block for every device that promises to control your TV experience. (Google TV only has tight integration with Dish Network; the Wii U's TVii is similarly limited to TiVo.) Without access to your recordings, you'll find yourself frequently digging out the cable remote, which spoils a lot of the intent behind Xbox One in the first place.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57585543-221/six-challenges-for-integrated-tv-on-the-xbox-one/

google would need agreements with all cable and satellite operators in place before this would even be a possibility- and we know comcast isn't interested because it competes with X2.

on top of that, the hardware in the Xbone isn't set up to control DVRs this way, it relies on an IR blaster. To pick out specific shows via voice command, you'd need a redesign...which means launch buyers are left out.

 

[timlot]

Microsoft hasn't mentioned any ability to integrate with DVRs in any of the press material, and a large part of how it intends to interface with cable boxes is via IR blaster, which isn't complex enough to allow it. (edit: note that netflix is not a DVR. netflix is a different issue, and microsoft certainly could integrate netflix if the app was customized in theory).

DVR navigation and integration is a HUGE stumbling block for everyone that's tried it- in no small part because each cable and satellite operator as well as Tivo are using distinct, proprietary software, and MS does not have agreements in place with anyone except Time warner.

I'm not sure how much "navigation and integration" you would need with tv dvr but MS said you would be able to do basic play,pause,ff rewind.

Will Xbox One have any TV DVR functionality? Or is the DVR just for games?

WHITTEN: It’s easy to use your current DVR with Xbox One. Our focus is on making the TV experience great – with favorite channels, voice control (including play, pause, fast forward and rewind with your DVR) and more. This is an area where you’ll see us drive more innovation over the years to come.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one

 

[BigDug13]

I'm not sure how much "navigation and integration" you would need with tv dvr but MS said you would be able to do basic play,pause,ff rewind.

Will Xbox One have any TV DVR functionality? Or is the DVR just for games?

WHITTEN: It’s easy to use your current DVR with Xbox One. Our focus is on making the TV experience great – with favorite channels, voice control (including play, pause, fast forward and rewind with your DVR) and more. This is an area where you’ll see us drive more innovation over the years to come.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one

We still don't know what voice commands Kinect can actually translate into IR blasting. Can we say "Xbox, go to list. Play Game of Thrones from April 14th." Or "Xbox, go to HBO on demand. Play Game of Thrones Season 3, Episode 2."

Just like learning a new remote, people will have to learn a new "Kinect IR-capable" language. Just playing Skyrim with voice commands was a learning experience and sometimes I would say the phrase that Kinect recognized incorrectly, then it became a game of relooking in the manual to see what the proper voice command was.

 

[Huggers]

Damning article. What on earth has been going on at Microsoft for them to misjudge everything about Xbone so badly? After their DRM and Kinect spiel I can't help but smile slightly. Really though competition is good and we need a strong Xbox to keep Sony on their toes

 

[Barzul]

I recommend that 1 to 4 exclusives shouldn't make your decision. Sony will always have more exclusives. Dead rising 3 and titan fall are more thanl likely timed exclusives... Is halo, gears, and forza that important to you?

How so? What proof is there that those games are timed (devs hinting and timed exclusivity is not proof)? And http://www.oxm.co.uk/60879/dead-rising-3-definitely-isnt-a-timed-exclusive-for-xbox-one-says-capcom/

Every game that has been revealed at the MS or Sony conferences that had timed exclusivity has been explicitly stated to be so. MS have worked on building new studios (some with multiple teams) and forged several close third and second party relationships (Epic, Crytek, Undead labs, Remedy), so we'll see how that plays out. Sony was obviously top dog between the two this gen, but that does not make Sony the de facto leader in first party development for next gen.

 

[N30RYU]

Pretty sure someone got banned for this gif before. I'd recommend editing it out.

Edit: I've just been finalized.

thks

 

[velociraptor]

Forza Horizon, halo 4? I agree that the ps3 exclusives are impressive, But I wouldn't say much more so than those 2 games.

ANyway back on topic. i think the ps4 will lay wake to the xbox one in due time. it will be obvious that it is the clear powerhouse

Compare Killzone 3 direct feed shots with Halo 4.

God Of War 3 still looks like the best thing on the consoles. Nothing comes close. It has this CG like look to the game.

The PS3 isn't really more powerful than the 360 BTW. It has a CPU with a greater potential but it's GPU is gimped compare to the 360.

On the other hand, the performance margin between the PS4 and XBO is by pretty significant.

 

[HokieJoe]

With PS3 exclusives completely shitting on 360 games graphically?


What's your point?

LOL, how many years into the PS3 development cycle did it take for you to be able say that?

 

[Manmademan]

I'm not sure how much "navigation and integration" you would need with tv dvr but MS said you would be able to do basic play,pause,ff rewind.

Will Xbox One have any TV DVR functionality? Or is the DVR just for games?

WHITTEN: It’s easy to use your current DVR with Xbox One. Our focus is on making the TV experience great – with favorite channels, voice control (including play, pause, fast forward and rewind with your DVR) and more. This is an area where you’ll see us drive more innovation over the years to come.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one

That's about what an IR blaster allows. basic duplication of functions of a standard remote.

But things like "xbox, play back last night's episode of Community" or "Xbox, record the next three weeks of game of thrones" or "Xbox, skip to the last 20 minutes of this NFL game" or "Xbox, pull up the episodes of man men I have saved" will not work for hardware and software reasons.

"tight integration" in the sense of live TV simply isn't possible with a DVR, and since microsoft locks their tv functions behind a paywall, convincing someone heavy on DVR use to pay 60 dollars a year plus 500 for the xbox for "rewind, pause, fast forward" is a hell of a tough sell. Why wouldn't those people just get a PS4?

 

[Ol No Bones]

I recommend that 1 to 4 exclusives shouldn't make your decision. Sony will always have more exclusives. Dead rising 3 and titan fall are more thanl likely timed exclusives... Is halo, gears, and forza that important to you?

I have been a huge fan of halo. Though not as much lately. I have a ps3 and many of the exclusives never really were that great to me besides uncharted/last of us. I loved halo and gears and played multiplats mostly.

 

[BrainZEROX]

While I acknowledge the power processing advantage PS4 has over XB1, I still think games will chip at (near) parity. Publishers will adjust development teams with reduced PS4 dev teams compared to XB1's because this is what PS4's more straightforward architecture allows: more bang for the bucks or same stuff for fewer bucks. I expect publishers to opt for the second option and they will love PS4 for that. Of course both versions of the games will sell at the same price...

 

[BigDug13]

How so? What proof is there that those games are timed (devs hinting and timed exclusivity is not proof)? And http://www.oxm.co.uk/60879/dead-rising-3-definitely-isnt-a-timed-exclusive-for-xbox-one-says-capcom/

Every game that has been revealed at the MS or Sony conferences that had timed exclusivity has been explicitly stated to be so. MS have worked on building new studios (some with multiple teams) and forged several close third and second party relationships (Epic, Crytek, Undead labs, Remedy), so we'll see how that plays out. Sony was obviously top dog between the two this gen, but that does not make Sony the de facto leader in first party development for next gen.

Titanfall is published by EA from a development studio who works for EA. There's no way EA is going to make a game of this caliber permanent exclusive.

I could see DR3 remaining exclusive though.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

Consoles are seen as good value for the money to a lot of people

Who says PS4 is more powerful than a high-end PC?

Or any of the other statements you make?

PS4 is a PC, it just IS

So of course there's going to be plenty of PC's and configs that will offer more power

I fully agree that anyone denying that is mistaken but I haven't seen it yet

So for those of us who want to game on consoles we want to know which CONSOLE is better value for money, that's it

EVEN though we are fully aware that you can have some insane PC and crank the graphics up to 11

That's great but I want to know which CONSOLE is better for me just like you should want to know what PC Graphics card is better for you

 

[Enordash]

Oh God. Not shit shit again.


How many times does it need to be said? I don't want to play games with a mouse/kb. That means I'm never going to play a shooter online on PC, because even though I could use a controller in those games, I'll never be able to compete against m/kb players. Thus, all shooters are immediately console only games for me. THE END.

For a variety of reasons, including the major one I just gave, a large majority of people are not interested in PC gaming. Therefore when I'm discussing power in a console, the PC doesn't even enter the equation for me.

As much as I may agree with Horp's post, this is a rather good point. I've felt the same way for a long time about competitive shooters on PC because I'm simply no good with m/kb.

 

[Oppo]

Well Albert did talk about the difference being "maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms" and so it looks like this matches with the statement in Edge's article

It's an interestingly phrased bit of wiggle room, as "single digit difference" could mean up to 1/3 slower or faster, FPS wise, at 30. That's not small.

 

[dragonelite]

Titanfall is published by EA from a development studio who works for EA. There's no way EA is going to make a game of this caliber permanent exclusive.

I could see DR3 remaining exclusive though.

Could be said about every exclusive deal.
Just hear the Sony games com presentation how they said exclusive debut for almost all the indie games..

 

[FlyFaster]

lol

I remember when I said that 150 mhz was meaningless and all the xbone fanboys got butthurt. 150 mhz IS meaningless and at least some devs think so too.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

But for many people it is a relevant comparison. You might have a good enough cpu, memory, mboard, but you might be thinking about plunking down 400 dollars on a new graphics card. Or a PS4. Or a graphics card... hmmm. How do PC with a 400 dollar graphics card and a PS4 compare? Voila.

Still not a good comparison. No baseline exist for the PC to do a 1:1 performance comparison. Too many variables to content with. That's why it's often left out of console comparisons like this.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

So will XBone now be the complimentary console to PS4? It's the new Wii!

 

[jim2011]

the reason why it can't is hardware related- I've already gone over the reasons why. but here's cnet's take on it:



http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57585543-221/six-challenges-for-integrated-tv-on-the-xbox-one/

google would need agreements with all cable and satellite operators in place before this would even be a possibility- and we know comcast isn't interested because it competes with X2.

on top of that, the hardware in the Xbone isn't set up to control DVRs this way, it relies on an IR blaster. To pick out specific shows via voice command, you'd need a redesign...which means launch buyers are left out.

Umm NO. Infrared is last resort. Xbox one can control compatible devices through hdmi cec. Additionally, no new hardware is needed to issue commands over IP.

Microsoft just needs to make agreements and add compatibility for specific cable boxes. Tivo's IP commands are even out there in the open, they could integrate with it for free pretty much.

This is NOT a hardware issue by any means.

Edit: another possibility for dvr control are apps. Ios apps already control dvr's. Create a windows/Xbox one app that you can use. Snap it to the right side of the screen and select what you want to watch. Problem solved.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

Well Albert did talk about the difference being "maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms" and so it looks like this matches with the statement in Edge's article

See? If we drop the resolution low enough, the Xbone outperforms the PS4!

 

[velociraptor]

I think we have some real double standards posters in this thread. I'm talking about some (alot) of the PS4 fans.

1. When there is a discussion on whether certain aspects of quality matter; such as IQ, framerate and resolution:
If it's a XboxOne vs PS4 discussion it's extremely important and a major bonus for the PS4 over the X1.
When the discussion is between PS4 and PC it's all about the gameplay and who cares about some aliasing, upscaled 720p or 30 instead of 60 fps when you are playing a game.

2. When there is a discussion on whether PS4/X1 hardware is much like a PC or very specialized (secret saucy).
If it's a X1 vs PS4 discussion the hardware in both is exactly like PC:s, and therefore can be compared straight up, thus the PS4 wins cause it has more FLOPS.
If it's a PS4 vs PC discussion the GDDR, the hUMA, the superchargyness makes a PS4 way different from a PC and can't possibly be compared with FLOPS.

3. When there is a discussion whether power really matters
X1 vs PS4: of course power matters, it gives developers more possibilities and makes IQ/framerate better.
PS4 vs PC: nah, it's all about the games. Who cares about 1080p@60fps or upcoming 4k resolutions; it's all in the games.

Also; in a thread about comparing the power between 2 gaming machines, isn't it weird that when someone brings up the third real competitor (the PC) when talking about multiplatform games he is answered with "Not this shit again, GTFO"?

It doesn't really matter how bad the PS4/XBO versions of a particular game may be - the PC version will always triumph in terms of IQ and framerates depending on the rig you have.

But who is actually saying all the above? I haven't seen posters give such polarising views.

 

[Skeff]

I'm not sure how much "navigation and integration" you would need with tv dvr but MS said you would be able to do basic play,pause,ff rewind.

Will Xbox One have any TV DVR functionality? Or is the DVR just for games?

WHITTEN: It’s easy to use your current DVR with Xbox One. Our focus is on making the TV experience great – with favorite channels, voice control (including play, pause, fast forward and rewind with your DVR) and more. This is an area where you’ll see us drive more innovation over the years to come.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/ask-microsoft-anything-about-xbox-one

Yes, but look at your DVR remote, it has those buttons, the point is that there is no 2 way communication between your DVR and Xbox One, this means you can use commands that relate directly to a button, but you can't use commands like "Record America's got Talent" or play "Walking Dead from Sunday" You can do those things with voice control but it will be the same button presses as if you used remote.

TV guide
Page down
right
right
right
Record

Instead of "Record Breaking Bad at 9pm"

The lack of HDMI-CEC on so many devices means that there will only be 1 way communication with your DVR, and there's nothing Microsoft can do about that.

 

[BigDug13]

Could be said about every exclusive deal.
Just hear the Sony games com presentation how they said exclusive debut for almost all the indie games..

Yeah, so? EVERY indie game that wasn't funded by Sony in some way will find its way on XBO when they get their indie policies in place. Until then, they are exclusive to PS4/Wii-U. Then some games like War Thunder won't ever see XBO until Microsoft changes another asinine policy which is "no crossplatform play allowed."

What does that have to do with EA and Titanfall?

 

[Aussie Legend]

November can't come fast enough... speculation is boring let's see how this thing really shakes out! NovemberGAF is going to be legendary

 

[Nightengale]

Could be said about every exclusive deal.
Just hear the Sony games com presentation how they said exclusive debut for almost all the indie games..

Console exclusive debut

Read between the lines. It only means that on consoles, these games will be on PS4 first, without any tie-ups preventing other console releases.

 

[artist]

a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One

Well Albert did talk about the difference being "maybe single-digit FPS between the two platforms" and so it looks like this matches with the statement in Edge's article

 

[Manmademan]

Umm NO. Infrared is last resort. Xbox one can control compatible devices through hdmi cec. Additionally, no new hardware is needed to issue commands over IP.

so show me where microsoft has shown this is possible, and I'll freely concede. this might take you a while, however. HDMI CEC is nowhere near good enough to control a DVR to the extent that we're talking about right now.

Microsoft just needs to make agreements and add compatibility for specific cable boxes. Tivo's IP commands are even out there in the open, they could integrate with it for free pretty much.

This is NOT a hardware issue by any means.

Really? so explain to me how Tivo control over HDMI would work, when daisy chaining the Xbone, your cable box, AND a separate Tivo device with only one HDMI in, and one HDMI out.

The lack of HDMI-CEC on so many devices means that there will only be 1 way communication with your DVR, and there's nothing Microsoft can do about that.

exactly.

 

[jim2011]

Yes, but look at your DVR remote, it has those buttons, the point is that there is no 2 way communication between your DVR and Xbox One, this means you can use commands that relate directly to a button, but you can't use commands like "Record America's got Talent" or play "Walking Dead from Sunday" You can do those things with voice control but it will be the same button presses as if you used remote.

TV guide
Page down
right
right
right
Record

Instead of "Record Breaking Bad at 9pm"

The lack of HDMI-CEC on so many devices means that there will only be 1 way communication with your DVR, and there's nothing Microsoft can do about that.

Again, IP control. How do you think all these iPhone apps have 2 way communication with your dvr.

 

[szaromir]

I mean, it's totally your prerogative to be obtuse. But I think you're making yourself look a little pig-headed if you can't acknowledge there will always be a compromise.

As for user-experience, it is indeed a mixed bag. The user experience on the 360 and PS3 nowadays is awful.

I am hopeful these new consoles refresh it.

Oh there's always going to be a compromise on some level.

Building a PC that would comfortably outperform PS4 would likely cost ~700$ at this point, so it's about whether or not you're willing to spend the extra $300. And of course, the longer you're going to wait, the bigger advantage you're going to get for those extra $300. If the extra $300 is out of question though, then PS4 would indeed be the next best choice as far as getting quality gaming experience.

 

[un1que]

I wonder how really accurate this is.

This gen I've always got my third party stuff on 360 because of things like less bugs, friends on live, all games upscaled to 1080p and achievements.

it's looking like between things like remote play and this extra power that ill be switching to PS4 for third party stuff for the next gen.

Im not a fan boy to either console but If I had to side out of xbox/xbox 360 and ps2/ps3 I'd have to go with xbox/xbox 360 but This new gen I've gotta say Sony is really swaying me to their side!

 

[Caronte]

Could be said about every exclusive deal.
Just hear the Sony games com presentation how they said exclusive debut for almost all the indie games..

They were being honest.

 

[Finalizer]

Besides the Xbox weirdos like TheKayle, the shills, and the official shills like Penello, who still maintains that the Xbone is as powerful? There are people who think the difference will be more or less negligible, that's a different matter. Sorry but this really just reads like a similar 'people are doing this...' kind of generalisation that people keep calling out as 'confirmation bias'. I don't see very many people who genuinely think the Xbone is as powerful, myself.

My only point is that the sentiment is being readily brought up - regardless of the validity of the claim, it's being drummed. The particular case in this point being Penello as you mentioned, though that one is emphasized more due to his official position making any of his claims that much more notable... 'Course, that just goes back to my earlier point in questioning why he bothers with that angle in the first place. (More harm than good, etc.)

Edit: I've just been finalized.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I laughed. All further jokes that I can make here would definitely be too inappropriate for any thread, lol.



The absolute price difference would only be truly relevant if both consoles offered the exact same experience. You have to at least concede that a part of the extra cost is toward the Kinect whether you want the device or not. People need to start arguing value instead of cost.

I get that but I'm not interested in voice navigation that much and we have yet to see it used in an interesting way besides rivals and somewhat project spark. I'm okay with kinect but is it worth 100 extra dollars on inferior hardware. I'm not sure. As a long time fan I had just hoped they would try to be the best hardware and come to find out they weren't even interested in it. I just think they are trying to sell this console to people who don't buy consoles. I think it will have great games and I will probably get it eventually but I'm certainly dissappointed. I just don't want games showing their age after a couple years.

 

[Nightengale]

If your going to fall back on "supercharged PC architecture" remember the word architecture and what it means, the PS4 architecture is supercharged for gaming compared to PC as the PC is a multi task system, when you have GPU's on PCI-E and split ram pools between GDDR and DDR then your aking compromises. The brute horsepower of a PC can be far ahead of the PS4, but that's not what they're talking about, they are talking about the architecture.

It's like the 50th bloody time I see someone fall back to the supercharged bullshit, completely ignoring architecture and the fact that Cerny himself said consoles will not match a high-end PC in power. ( only in price/performance ratio )

They will see what they want to see.

 

[thuway]

IMO, not enough.

There is still room for Esram / Move Engine / Audio / aggregate bw Chip spin.

I am hoping for a 2.0 ghz / 1.0 ghz upclock for PS4. Maybe then we can put this thing to bed and focus on something else.

THIS.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


THISTHISTHIS

 

[Manmademan]

Again, IP control. How do you think all these iPhone apps have 2 way communication with your dvr.

if i can two way communicate with my DVR using an iphone app, why would I pay microsoft $60 to do it?

edit: keep in mind that there is no standard, so there would need to be a separate app, and separate agreement for every carrier and DVR in the country.

 

[Future PhaZe]

2ghz upclock?

I said lul

 

[jaaz]

It doesn't really matter how bad the PS4/XBO versions of a particular game may be - the PC version will always triumph in terms of IQ and framerates depending on the rig you have.

But who is actually saying all the above? I haven't seen posters give such polarising views.

Yep. Not a very good attempt at finding hypocrisy. You're always going to find fanboys on both sides being hypocrites whenever it suits their argument. That doesn't take away from the discrete and real differences between the PS4/Xbone.

I will say it's interesting that most lively PC comparisons are between the PS4 and the PC. Not many people comparing the Xbone to a PC these days...

 

[szaromir]

THIS.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


THISTHISTHIS

Yes, and they should also shrink their box even more to further ridicule MS.

 

[Lulubop]

Horp went in tho. My man.

 

[dragonelite]

2ghz upclock?

I said lul

If they did that sony would shout it out of their lungs.
That means the ps4 would have like 2.4Tflops now that is an next gen console worth having for performance.