DomeSplitter
Banned
Never really trusted them to begin with.
EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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Never really trusted them to begin with.
uncledonnie
Banned
Nothing says diminishing returns like this response.
purpletentacle
Member
If true, this really speaks to all my issues of Microsoft of late. which is telling people what they want, versus listening to them.
Kudos to Sony (and Cerny) for humbling up and listening to what devs and customers wanted.
Kudos to Sony (and Cerny) for humbling up and listening to what devs and customers wanted.
Last-gen the 360 pretty much only supported Dolby Digital output, while multiplatform games on the PS3 had DTS, 5.1 LPCM and 7.1 LPCM support. Nobody gave a shit. :lol Now it's all about the mythical ultra-powerful, does-everything audio processor on the xbone huh? I'll laugh my ass off if Digital Foundry starts bringing that shit up in their next-gen face-offs.
1.31tf is just GPU, 1.5tf is with CPU in Xbone
Just like PS4 GPU is 1.84tf, but 2tf with CPU.
Manmademan
Member
I edited in the quotes from anandtech, just for reference. Sony's GPU is significantly more powerful than microsoft's. Sony has an advantage also in that they have much more ram running at higher bandwidths. (i.e. All 8 gigs at 176 GB/s, not just 32 megs.) It's also easier to program, as we've seen from developer comments in this thread and others.
somewhere between 40%-50% more powerful has been concluded by many third party outlets and developer comments, not just edge.
I could say the same about the giant PS4 circlejerk going on around here.
Microsoft's implementation is much more focused and designed specifically for gaming applications. It builds off of technology that was originally developed to support Halo 4. The innovation here isn't just the Windows Azure infrastructure (which is only really rivaled by Google's cloud infrastructure), but also in the tools that let developers use it with a minimum of fuss.
Actually no. The triple-OS architecture is quite significant; it is what makes Xbox One's multitasking as seamless and fast as it is. We haven't seen anything on PS4 that compares (yet.)
Neither PS4 nor Xbox One are merely "games" machines. They are expected to serve as fully-fledged entertainment hubs for several years. From what I've seen, Xbox One is better-designed for that.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Not political so much as business-related. Third parties learned long ago that making one half of your most expensive games obviously lesser (in a way that goes way beyond pixel-counting and a sub-15% frame advantage) than another hurts them and their sales as well as the view on that particular franchise or series in the longer term. Not one of these publishers can afford to lose as much a 35-50% of their addressable userbase to some widely-perceived gap in quality when their games are going to struggle to make money on both launching platforms as is. PC sales don't make a dent in the numbers they are dealing in with these major titles and franchise-starting hopefuls. This last gen, there was plenty of talk about titles on both platforms being pulled back to meet in the middle. They cannot afford to send versions of new big stuff to die just to sate the desires of one part of that overall userbase.
dat post history
How does that let the xbone have better gameplay
CosmicQueso
Member
Nothing wrong with questioning Edge. But if I were a dev commenting on something like this, the last thing I'd want is my name out there. Would you want a 100 page thread on a comment you made, broken down into incredibly overzealous detail, followed by the mocking, witch-hunting, emailing and sometimes threats that come with any of this these days?
Such as?
I'm just excited that developers such as Naughty Dog, SSM, Sucker Punch, and Guerrilla all now have access to the PS4 specs. Given what they accomplished with the limitations of the PS3 hardware; the potential for the games they make this generation is through the roof, and they are leagues ahead of MS first parties. That's the real difference for me.
Woah now, I was just pointing out that it was a similar speech to Reggie's. I wasn't trying to make some kind of comparison between the WiiU's situation and Xbox One. There was no hidden intention behind my comment.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Not really concerned about Sony in the hardware stakes, it's the software especially the OS. I hope it's a lot better than PS3's. Only seen glimpses, would like them to do a proper demonstration video
Turning grey in 3,2,1...
Probably going to respond with something about cloud AI BS. I can agree with some of his/her other points, but this one is just dumb.
Oh wow hahaha. Exposed!
NullPointer
Member
Triple reinforced (A) buttons.
Nightengale
Member
I didn't care for the 2nd point on 'lambasting' Albert.
I can't speak for others, but I don't care for something that I have no knowledge to be discussing the matter with clarity on how the maths + specs add up.
Where did you find 190Gflop CPU ? Wasn't 8core Jaguar ~100Gflop ?
I was just looking through the article about Edge's 'Next Xbox always online and blocks used games' article. I couldn't help noticing that you dismissed it as a rumour, how did that work out again?
Concrete is in the specs - there is nothing more to showcase in terms of how the architectures differ. Real world performance will tell the complete story but I don't understand why you are asking for clarity to something that cannot be clarified. If you don't understand that the larger number is better in a direct architecture comparison that has more to do with your ability to understand than it does lack of explanation.
MightyHedgehog
Member
As I recall, it was all concerning versions of EA, Ubisoft, and Acitivision titles of all kinds. Can't remember if it was major differences in the larger view, but it was about devs talking about dialing down effects that worked much better on one versus the other as well as general IQ issues.
maximum360
Member
I have no doubt that the PS4 will outperform the Xbox One, the numbers don't lie. I think we need to tone down the hype meter a bit though. I think once developers get a better handle on the ESRAM and overall XB1 architecture, the Xbox One will be the equivalent of the PS4's little brother instead of the 'gimped' little brother that sensational articles lead us to believe.
We'll just have to wait and see though.
I dunno about you, but I always appreciated the PS3's audio as compared to Xbox 360. PS3 games and movies sound fuller and richer that Xbox 360 counterparts. Even on my $120 five-year-old HTIB system.
I feel the reverse will likely be true in the next generation (ie. Xbox One will sound better than PS4.)
Bluekaveli
Member
Manmademan
Member
Some people enjoy talking specs. If you don't then it should have no impact on your enjoyment of the rest of the forum that isn't discussing technical divides.
Madden, Assassin's Creed and COD games all ran signficantly better on the 360 at various points in time.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Yes, most accurate. I'd even say better than VGleaks.
I can see why.
Oops!
The Gamescom presentation was a proper demonstration video, and very impressive.
Dat hope.
Chobel
Member
You expect them to be entertainment hubs. And that's your opinion, it doesn't mean everybody else should have the same as yours.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Every important piece of investigative journalism ever written was invalid in your eyes, I suppose. Woodward and Bernstein should have just packed it up when Deep Throat didn't want to reveal himself.
What you seem to want is PR, not journalism.
TheJollyCorner
Member
lol ouch
As mentioned, we're seeing some examples in things like Forza 5's Drivatar system, as well as dedicated servers and cloud-assisted AI in CoD Ghosts and Titanfall.
Riky
$MSFT
I don't think anybody actually ships games like that.
Hopefully they will build games for X1 at 1080p and a solid 30 or 60fps. If they decide then to add more to the PS4 version because they can so be it. Porting from PS4 to X1 will probably be more of an issue, but nobody is not going to then not optimise the X1 version.
And you are basing this on what ? Developers won't make different sound system if one console has better hardware chip. They will just do the same and they will deliver in various sound outputs like 5.1 7.1
If you are thinking that all Xbone games will have BF3 like sound system in place then you are mistaken.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
You win some you lose some. At the end of the day I can only go based on what information is available. Anonymous sources still bother me. Not sure how that older article changes anything. Also, if you notice, it was said that EDGE is the "most accurate source" which is what I was referring to. Also, was I wrong? No, it was a rumor at the time.
Thanks for doing some digging though, I feel so appreciated!
LittleJohnny
Banned
IIRC, something similar was said of the PS3 in it's infancy, developers would throw unoptimized code and while the 360 was already doing pretty good, the PS3 was leagues behind and needed a ton of optimization before getting them to par.
We kind of knew eSram would be a bitch, hopefully it won't be too hard to get up to speed, but the difference in raw power is pretty clear, although not as big as most are expecting, we could be looking at PS4 games at 30fps with 1920 x 1080 vs XBO games also locked at 30fps with the same visual flair but instead running at 1600 x 900. It's better than dumbed down visuals. I bet most people won't even tell the difference unless put under a lens (of truth).
Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth will have their work cut out for them, it's going to be hell... or they may enjoy the hits.
We kind of knew eSram would be a bitch, hopefully it won't be too hard to get up to speed, but the difference in raw power is pretty clear, although not as big as most are expecting, we could be looking at PS4 games at 30fps with 1920 x 1080 vs XBO games also locked at 30fps with the same visual flair but instead running at 1600 x 900. It's better than dumbed down visuals. I bet most people won't even tell the difference unless put under a lens (of truth).
Digital Foundry and Lens of Truth will have their work cut out for them, it's going to be hell... or they may enjoy the hits.