Not happening for too many reasons to count.
EDGE: Sonys VR tech will be revealed at GDC
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Not happening for too many reasons to count.
Why not? This is such a weird comment.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Oculus has amazing talent but it would be incorrect to think that there's been a finite pool of VR talent to be sucked up by one small company. I mean, OR will continue to hire new very talented VR people into the future...and where will they come from if they have them all?
There are lots of people with career-long interests in VR in different contexts (academic research, military, aviation etc.) 'out there' - some who've already crossed into the games industry already, and not just at Oculus.
Hopefully there won't clash in the Oculus team. Otherwise the standard will changing.
useyourfist
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like others i hope this is true, and i think it would be nice to have pc compatibility to try and get a bigger VR user base. Though either way im sure sony will have more support than the move got due to their indie friendly stance etc. I really hope a livestream gets announced soon as that will basically confirm its real
Ahhhh I'd be so down for some Ace Combat VR. That could be genuinely terrifying/thrilling given how well the Roller Coaster demos work.
Yea it sort of is. His point was that you don't need Killzone level graphics to give people presence and blow their minds. So they will have to reduce some visual quality to obtain performance requirements, but it will still be pretty impressive in VR.
Callibretto
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What do you mean by sony giving it attention and not side project? Do you mean for sony to force all their dev to make only vr games? Yeah I dont want that. VR is not like 3d where you can just support it in all kind of games and genre, I still want my normal games
Ludicrous Speed
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I think you would be one of the few people willing to drop that kind of money on a peripheral device. Sony had a hard enough time moving Move controllers, and they debuted at what? $50? And Sony expects people to potentially pay five times that much for this device. Not going to happen. If this VR device was compatible with PCs they may have a viable shot. Otherwise I don't see this being a success.
There's pretty much zero doubt in my mind that Sony's VR 'system' will be one part HMD, one part Move controller(s), one part camera, all presented as one interlinked platform.
Sony will probably make a very big deal out of the idea and importance of 'virtual hands' via Move(s) in their demonstrations.
I hope that Oculus can have something similar ready for their first rev if only to help standardise the control tools available to devs on both platforms. Carmack has already talked about how something like a lower latency Move would be what you'd want for VR, and they've suggested they're looking at a controller.
Metallix87
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Didn't they have a similar patent last gen?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
24 polygons and a few random textures are enough to install awe and true fear in VR.
PS4 could do straight graphical ports of the best-looking last-gen console games in VR right now, no sweat.
I couldn't handle Outlast in 2D. PS4 could do it in VR. I'd shit my pants.
Killroyskbg
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I just cant understand the negativity here about this until anything has been revealed.
It like Sony is about to hurt someone for also releasing a VR headset. Yes PC can be alot more powerful than consoles and push visuals in years too come until the next console. However just as the ps3 was less powerful and games could not hold a candle to a beast PC at the time still the games released was some of the best in the generation and exclusive on it.
I own a ps4 and a gaming PC and I am just as likely to pick up any of the devices it all comes down to content and until I see it I will not judge.
It like Sony is about to hurt someone for also releasing a VR headset. Yes PC can be alot more powerful than consoles and push visuals in years too come until the next console. However just as the ps3 was less powerful and games could not hold a candle to a beast PC at the time still the games released was some of the best in the generation and exclusive on it.
I own a ps4 and a gaming PC and I am just as likely to pick up any of the devices it all comes down to content and until I see it I will not judge.
- Media molecule 3D molding tech + VR + Minecraft. There you go, easy-to-create collaborative fun game that can have incredible potential in promoting VR to the mases.
- Drive Club for launch, promise of GT7 VR Prologue for 2015
- The Witness for launch
- Colony Wars 1 HD port with better visuals [leave game structure the same]
- indies, indies, indies [Soma, Routine, Everyone has gone to Rapture, those educational Space demos...]
iceatcs
Junior Member
Kind of same thing with portable gaming. There is no way to make it like home console graphics and features but still have to take the hit with visual quality and screen for portability.
I don't want both, I want one that works on PS4 and PC. I can't see it happening unfortunately, at least not officially, but if modders can get Sony's solution working and it maps to the Occulus functions when plugged in, I'll be on board with that.
Glorified G
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ashecitism
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This is enough to blow minds in VR.
http://postimage.org/app.php
PS4 will vault miles over that bar.
To be frank in that tech demo you could walk around freely. Go to that ledge, look down and experience fear of height. Will Sony target an experience like that or will they go seated like Oculus? Valve had to plaster and empty room with QR-like codes, I'm not sure how this would work out in the livingroom.
With regards to concerns over the generation of content from game developers, I think this is where Media Molecule has to step in.
Media Molecule will really have to leverage what they have learned from game creation and sharing from Littlebigplanet and provide a robust system in creating a tool for the community to create their own games and an efficient way of sharing them.
If a "killer app" has to come from somewhere, I think it must come from Media Molecule.
Media Molecule will really have to leverage what they have learned from game creation and sharing from Littlebigplanet and provide a robust system in creating a tool for the community to create their own games and an efficient way of sharing them.
If a "killer app" has to come from somewhere, I think it must come from Media Molecule.
I don't think Sony will support PC, the big issue with anything like this is price. Sony can charge cost if they want to, as long as it's only for PS4, if they support PC, they need to make a profit on the unit, they'd also be encouraging VR on PC, which isn't something they'd do I'd imagine.
While I see why people would want Sony's headset to work on PC, it's kind of pointless, because no matter what it is, CV1 is going to be better, I wouldn't be surprised if it's QHD by the time it launches.
iceatcs
Junior Member
There is more to VR than video games. There are people in many fields that might have some applications for VR. The most obvious being film and television -- industries that Sony is also heavily invested in. But like I said, even people in the medical field (another industry Sony is invested in) are researching virtual reality and its applications in the medical world. Even the military is coming up with applications for virtual reality.
Oculus Rift has some great minds behind it, but "almost all the best & brightest". I don't think so.
mangochutney
Member
Perhaps I just don't have the knowledge you possess, but what exactly did Sony copy with all of those?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Sony's tracking is the thing I'm least worried about. With the PS4 camera in at least 60fps mode and multiple markers like the one on the DS4 it should be solid as hell.
And you're talking about the difference between standing on the edge of an abyss and sitting on the edge of one. It's going to be unnerving either way.
I'd argue against trying to quantify anybody's knowledge in VR versus anybody else's. SCE's R&D team is pretty huge. A mostly unknown team at that, there's no John Carmack or other all star engineer AFAIK but you don't necessarily need one if you can hire a good team and provide them leadership.
They supposedly have a prototype that's on the level of Valve's unit, which was supposedly a few steps above the one Carmack's team produced.
No, it's not.
Neuromancer
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It works with the PS4 but so far there's only one game that uses it, Just Dance. Octodad will have Move support too.
Sentenza
Member
I think I can smell wishful thinking.
TimFL
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Limited movement could very well be possible if they use the PS Camera. It'd be limited to the camera FOV but it could work.
I know, I just can't justify getting both. I'll see how it all plays out, but I would take a dip in quality for one that works on both formats, either officially or unofficially.
Yeah, I think it would be a natural fit for MM's project to provide a toolset for user-generated VR games/experiences.
I don't think the whole game will necessarily be VR exclusive - I doubt it - but I think they'll expose special 'toys' for people to create VR exclusive spaces/games/experiences - in the same way LBP had peripheral tools.
I think the experience of creating with the kind of tool they showed at the PS Meeting would be drastically enhanced with virtual reality. Using a move controller to manipulate something across a room on a TV is one thing...using them when they're accurately in space around you at the right position relative to your head etc. will be quite another.
RadarScope1
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Seemingly. But it'll come out eventually. It should support this hardware when it does.
ashecitism
Member
I mean not half-assing it. Having 1st parties making proper content for it, supporting 3rd parties, try making a healthy platform for it with proper support. Not making this a throwaway project, that's all. Of course I didn't mean Sony should go VR-only with Playstation from now on, that wouldn't make much sense, lol.
But will it be impressive enough to guarantee a high attachment rate, people keep forgetting this is a business. I figure Sony is still trying to catch up on the money spent to R&D the move at this point.
Hey I am with you guys I want this in my hand, you could give me Uncharted PS3
I'm drawingt the line there 
Neuromancer
Member
I've already started prepping my wife for the very real likelihood I'm going to want both. She's not thrilled.
iceatcs
Junior Member
E-Cat
Member
Fair point, but John Carmack alone represents the kind of brain power that money can't buy. The best talent is simply drawn to Oculus.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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It'll be up to first party to show the world how VR is done. The first real mainstream push at VR is among us folks. Bring on the Drive Club
Could the 'OLED printing' tech you tweeted about possibly help advance vr tech later on?
It really depends on whether they see this as the potential future of entertainment (and more) -- which it is -- or just another Playstation accessory.
Valve's was not wireless. There are many accounts of it being corded
Oh yeah? How did you figure that?
Crystal Cove uses one 1080p screen, a thing that Sony can easily use. This is most probably their only choice,because they cant easily go with larger resolutions and multiple screens. They have only one HDMI port on the console.
As for tracking, PS4 Camera has both 120fps and 240fps modes, more than enough fast for great VR experience.I fully expect 1-screen design [they are oculus homebrew solutions with 2 screen, both by valve and random home users] and great screen quality.
Do you expect a low persistence screen?
Until recently I didn't even expect OLED for the Oculus CV1, but now it seems clear that it will be not just OLED but low persistence OLED.
justsomeguy
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Nah. If the leaks/rumours are true then MS are looking at AR glasses, not VR.
Repeating my point from earlier in the thread, VR + Kinect has the potential to be awesome (although I'm worried about latency). When I tried OR I wanted to reach out with my hands and grab stuff. Kinect would let me do that.
Or at least let me dance in 3D.
Hell, I can imagine something like the jet skis in KSR working well with VR helmet+Kinect for tracking. That would be cool... and with Kinect already in the box... hmmm... interesting...
Back on topic: PS camera + move will probably be an integral part of this...
Crystal Cove is low persistence OLED.
EDIT: Kinect is 60ms latency, it's unacceptable. If MS want VR, they need a new camera.
RadarScope1
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I've been advocating for a Jumping Flash reboot for a while in Vita threads. Seems like a good fit for this! Make it in the same lively, cartoony style as the old games but with higher fidelity, of course. That's the kind of software that would be an actual game and more than a demo - but wouldn't take ages to make.
Yeah all that MS needs is something to jack up the cost of the Xbone even further.