1) Did I ever make the point that you didn't believe my claim? You'd have to be seriously untrusting of me to not believe it anymore. That wasn't my point at all. The point was you brought up a weird out of nowhere argument that would possibly lead to arousing some suspicion on me, but it definitely was a case of overthinking it and causing confusion. Also, this happened on D2:
Confusion? The point is that it could be a hint at only two mafia players and that someone with a very noticeable power stopped using it. I think everyone has posted by now and no one was silenced. Again.
Now why would you say that? even half silenced I was actively involved in most discussion in D2. I found this reaction interesting, trying to raise the point we could lynch a good as confirmed townie because of the hassle of the silence.
I posted it because your damn memes and large pictures were starting to get seriously annoying and I hadn't figured out that you had been silenced. You didn't post like that in the NX thread, so until someone pointed out the silence thing, I assumed you were on some weird trip.
2) I read it as extremely suspicious, I know you say it's a pro town move but at the time you know what I thought? If I was townie I wouldn't try it because there's a good chance of a modkill out of it.
I didn't even know it was against the rules, nor did the thought of a modkill ever cross my mind. I even apologized for breaking the rules. I assume your assumption is that I knew it was a "risky" (re:modkill) move and that only a mafia member would do it, thinking Ouro wouldn't modkill mafia, but that requires a lot more suspension of disbelief than me just being a town member, trying to squeeze out information.
As mafia though? Let's be honest Ouro isn't going to modkill a one of three or two over something like a fake claim involving highlights. It was a bold as shit play, and I was impressed, but it never read to me as town. You had every right to find out more about BSP regardless of your alignment. I think this move leans more scum than town.
Again, this meta (re:modkill) argument requires more mental hoops to jump through. It's not the most reasonable conclusion. You assume I'm scum and then retroactively construct an explanation for that move.
3) Yes. Yes I do. I went pretty aggressive off the bat and nearly got lynched for it on D1 and I was a PR. There isn't a set way to play anything in this game, it's why playing it again and again is a very fun activity. I don't think this clears you of anything.
It wasn't exactly a brilliant play by you there, cabot. Although it got all of us off the back of nin and you, it would've been more useful later in the game to corrobate (or refute) someone's claim. One can debate whether you were at fault for the suspicion you got (by me and others) or not of course, or whether you should have revealed at that point. Pointless to do now I guess.
I find the whole "There isn't a set way to play anything" nonsensical. Of course there is. General rule is that active or vocal players get more attention and are more likely to be killed (or at least lynched), which is something that mafia or power roles would rather avoid. General rule is that a power role should never role claim unless necessary. Just because someone occasionally gets away with a weird move doesn't mean there are not generally reasonable behaviour rules. Throwing out all reason because of that is bad.
5) I think it's more likely a 50/50 or one shot ability. I also strongly believe its your ability, you've brought it up more than anyone else, and I can see you targeting me with it because we have a reasonably strong rivalry going on. I don't know if you expected me to be as active on D2 in spite of the silence, but I do believe you have the ability.
This is going to sound mean, but if I had that ability, I honestly wouldn't target you. I also don't know how a 50/50 or one-shot ability would work, both balancewise and flavorwise.
We don't really have a rivalry. I don't even get how you would think that. Me and roy have a cheerful rivalry though. Me and you? Because we were in the same game? No. Heck, if that is your logic, even you must admit that I'd have a much stronger rivalry with Palmer.
I don't understand this post at all? I was pretty clear in my reasons, and you've actually twisted my words. Your point 2 completely ignores the fact I alluded to BSP's read list which read you as very town. Now knowing BSP's true role, you conveniently removing that from your 'translation' wonderfully suspicious. Anyone BSP reads as town is instantly suspicious now, because she had an active reason to keep mafia alive.
In what world is a read list by a neutral who knows nothing and is aligned with the Electorate in any way helpful? In no way, that's how helpful it is.
Again, this is from the mindset that you can only play as mafia one particular way. Need I remind you of DR where CzarTim was one of the highest posters, and was read by town by the vast majority of people in the game right up until the point he used his ability and revealed his alignment?
Can't use reason and logic when you're starting point is a faulty premise.
What is unreasonable is to use the exceptions and claim that there are no general guidelines, just because some play differently. At this point you're basically saying "Sure, 95% of players do this, but because of those 5% over there, we cannot assume anything".
Regarding Tim, without even looking far, first thing I found using Google is a post by Crab on how he gets more suspicious every day
on the second day of the game. He used his ability to save himself on D3, where he would have gotten lynched, then died on D4. I'm sorry, horrible example that only helps my case. I think Crab also called Tim's D3 "one of the worst ever days of mafia i have ever seen".
I don't know you seem to be doing a pretty good job of ignoring most of the actual reasons to suspect you.
Not really. Until you, no one today bothered to construct an argument. Instead it was all just "He's suspicious and what is unsuspicious is suspicious because mafia would do that if they knew that we knew".
This has not been sudden, the attention has just naturally focused to you today as we lessen the numbers.
Three votes (though you unvoted) within the first two or three hours is pretty damn sudden for this game.
Is this the 'look at all these pro-town things I did' defense? Because it's weak.
Do me a favor and do a similar list for other players, just to see how weak your argument actually is.
D1: Yeah well done you saw I was behaving differently, and for that you almost lynched me. You know who else read my different play and assumed (correctly) that I'm probably town/PR and we should absolutely not lynch me on D1? Launch. You saw one thing and went the wrong way about it. I also keep in mind your view on D1 behaviour (ie it's mostly worthless), and using this to try and justify yourself is amusing to me.
I'm honestly getting annoyed that you keep failing to understand this. Same in the Archer thread. Day 1 behaviour is by itself worthless, it is only helpful with context (e.g. additional "evidence" from other days), in my case I argued that you gave me a very different feel from Archer. That turned out to be correct, but in a different way.
D2: The quote I referenced in this post was quite far into D2, well after everyone was aware of my silence. It's why I was even more confused by it. I've covered my feelings on the fake claim. Voting on Hyper proves nothing as you've said because of the circumstances of your vote.
Honest question: Which voting behaviour is "unsuspicious"?
D3: What's pro-town about not even putting forward a vote in a day phase? As a claimed ordinary townie, it's your only power. You've actively not used your only power in the game. Nonsense.
Nonsense. Causing a stalemate is pointless. Voting for someone you realize might be town is also pointless and not pro-town. There was no alternative to CB and Palmer and to cast the lone vote for someone else is pointless as well.
