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[Incognito]

We save them pussies, France, TWICE and they say the hell with us. I don't blame them since they were trading military aircrafts with Iraq.

Does anyone see a double standard when it comes to terrorism on america's part? Hello people, israel and palestine? Al Qaeda known to be behind such attacks in Ridylah?



edit-I'm not sure if it's the same topic, but Al Qaeda is working with the Sunnis to establish an Islamic Republic right now in Iraq. Also, blame Clinton on not taking about Bin Laden in the 90s. If he did, then 9/11 and all this other crap wouldn't have happened........or maybe so. =\

Ah, the last defense of Republicans: Always blame the Clintons for their shortcomings.

Funny, I don't think I ever heard about a PDB titled Al Qaida determined to strike in USA ever cross the desk of Clinton's a month before a devastating terrorist attack. Maybe news of that was lost in the Whitewater and Lewinsky shuffle.

 

[Socreges]

"apologize to France"

for what? FREEDOM FRIES! They were acting in their own interest. If anything they should apologize for all they have done in that region.

EVERY country acts in their own interest, with absolutely everything that they do. There's no such thing as altruism between states. The fact remains, France (in addition to Canada, Germany, etc) was right.

Anybody who thinks there is a moral high ground in the Iraq situation is kidding themself.

Well, at least you're one step past Crow.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

edit-I'm not sure if it's the same topic, but Al Qaeda is working with the Sunnis to establish an Islamic Republic right now in Iraq. Also, blame Clinton on not taking about Bin Laden in the 90s. If he did, then 9/11 and all this other crap wouldn't have happened........or maybe so. =\

9/11 happened on george bush's watch - that's all there is to it. why is there always this thing with bush supporters about blaming clinton for his fuckups? - it's been confirmed that georgie received warnings about planes being hijacked to carry out attacks. he dropped the ball on that one. then he tried his absolute hardest to delay and hinder an 'independent' investigation into what really happened, and how.

 

[xsarien]

edit-I'm not sure if it's the same topic, but Al Qaeda is working with the Sunnis to establish an Islamic Republic right now in Iraq. Also, blame Clinton on not taking about Bin Laden in the 90s. If he did, then 9/11 and all this other crap wouldn't have happened........or maybe so. =\

Research the issue before you start blaming Clinton. He was only able to do so much, as the offer that essentially gave us bin Laden on a silver platter came with so many strings attached it wasn't even worth entertaining. The Clinton administration actually believed in building a case before charging people, Camp X-Ray likely wouldn't exist if Gore were President. The charges of abuse and of innocent people being detained for *years* only surpass the Japanese internment camps in how we sometimes manage to take a huge, steaming shit on the same ideals we claim to defend.

If you want a scapegoat, how about Bush and Rice? They had a memo a good month before saying that a bin Laden strike was imminent. The latter went before the entire nation and, with a straight face, essentially said that unless every detail is spelled out, she can't possibly do anything with intelligence. Apparently no one over told her that putting pieces together was her job.

We save them pussies, France, TWICE and they say the hell with us. I don't blame them since they were trading military aircrafts with Iraq.

And guess who helped the US win the American Revolution.

 

[videogamer]

well maybe if Condi had the plane and seat numbers, she could have done something.

 

[Fresh Prince]

We save them pussies, France, TWICE and they say the hell with us. I don't blame them since they were trading military aircrafts with Iraq.

Sacre Bleau!

Yes blame is a wonderful thing. Perhaps it would be of greater benefit to look into the present and future?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

well maybe if Condi had the plane and seat numbers, she could have done something.

well maybe when there's a risk of planes being hijacked by a terrorist organisation, you put these suspected terrorists on a watch list - ie. don't let them BOARD a plane? and if they didn't know who these hijackers were before 9/11, howcome they were so fast to name them (and remove them from passenger lists) right after the event?

 

[Socreges]

well maybe when there's a risk of planes being hijacked by a terrorist organisation, you put these suspected terrorists on a watch list - ie. don't let them BOARD a plane? and if they didn't know who these hijackers were before 9/11, howcome they were so fast to name them (and remove them from passenger lists) right after the event?

They actually just isolated anyone with "Mohammed" in their name.

 

[Shinobi]

So I guess Saddam gets the benefit of the doubt from you =P It would have been nice to have proof of this.

Prove it how? What was Saddam supposed to do, cart up some burnt, srumpled up sheets of metal with "Made in USA" prints from the Baghdad landfill? Where's the proof that the US and Russia destroyed their nukes back in the day? All we've got there is their word, and we've seen how much that's worth.

Anyway, here's what I was referring to earlier...CBC's The Fifth Estate did a show on Dick Cheany a few years ago, covering his business and political career. Among the most interesting highlights was the evidence that was used to launch the Perisan Gulf war. I'll copy and paste the lowdown from the website.

SEPTEMBER: The Pentagon says that 250,000 Iraqi troops with 1500 tanks are massed on the Saudi border. The photos are never made public.

Soviet satellite imagery taken that day shows no troops near the border. (see the photos)

Enter eporter Jean Heller, an investigative reporter for the St Petersburg Times and a Pulitzer prize nominee on several occasions. She was presented the opportunity to look at some independant pictures of that same border, which were captured by Soviet satellites.

"It's what it (the photos) didn't show that's more important. What you expected to see were tanks on the border. There was none that we could see.

I said, look, if you can prove to me that our story isn't true, we won't run it. And they just ignored it.

They have never shown those (U.S. satellite images) photos. Not then and not since."

And here are the independant photos in question...

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/dickcheney/photo.html

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/dickcheney/photo2.html

Again, what happened in 2003 is nothing new...same shit, different day.

 

[MIMIC]

WASHINGTON - As the hunt for weapons of mass destruction dragged on unsuccessfully in Iraq, top Bush administration officials speculated publicly that the banned armaments may have been smuggled out of the country before the war started.

[...]

But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never “a piece,” said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

MSNBC/AP

Another theory debunked.

 

[AssMan]

And guess who helped the US win the American Revolution.

Mind as well dwelve deeper:

-We helped in 2 world wars
-we helped in the panama canal when they bailed out
-we helped when they pulled out of vietnam war(even though we both lost)


4 against 1. A WINNER IS NOT YOU!

 

[Saturnman]

-we helped when they pulled out of vietnam war(even though we both lost)

Huh, the French Vietnam war was one of independence. Whether the US comes in after the French retreat is irrelevant, the French had lost their dominion over the territory anyway.

But it's probably better for French interests that America lost that war and lost big at it.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Might as well dwelve deeper:

-We helped in 2 world wars
-we helped in the panama canal when they bailed out
-we helped when they pulled out of vietnam war(even though we both lost)


4 against 1. A WINNER IS NOT YOU!

Well, the way I see it. If they didn't help with the Revolt then where we helped them wouldn't have mattered figuring the most revered American citizens would have been hung as traitors.

That being said WTF does France or anyother country have to do with the fact that Bush there was a massive fuck up on the Presidents watch. The buck starts and stops with him.

 

[Shinobi]

Kinda wierd that my post didn't generate any response...ah well. Even I've gotten tired of the whole thing now.

 

[Saturnman]

Kinda wierd that my post didn't generate any response...ah well. Even I've gotten tired of the whole thing now.

It's little known.

But what is well known is Kuwaitis and US officials were in collusion to make up Iraqi atrocies and manipulate for public and Congress support for war.