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[Spieler Eins]

I don't need these tweets to predict exactly that, or at the very least hope for it, if Nintendo is actually serious about being relevant again.
The Wii U library in its entirety is barely on par with the first years of each Wii and GCN when it comes to variety and ambition. So NX beating Wii U effortlessly is the bare minimum I expect for a good Nintendo platform inherently.

 

[Hockey123]

I ...kind of love the Wii U era, software wise anyways.

So anything better than that will be fantastic.

 

[Boke1879]

Nintendo has a lot to do in order to change public perception. I can't even get behind this based on their past. And shit is just too quiet on this front. I think it's about to be the same as WII U

 

[MK_768]

I think the Wii U era is by far the weakest in terms of Nintendo games.Had a couple of the best games their series have had, imo, in Mario Kart 8, Smash, and Pikmin 3 but there was a lot lacking.

 

[Neoxon]

I think the Wii U era is by far the weakest in terms of Nintendo games.Had a couple of the best games their series have had, imo, in Mario Kart 8 and Pikmin 3 but there was a lot lacking.

FTFY

Spoiler

Smash 4 was awesome, don't get me wrong. But it definitely wasn't the best in the series, that honor still belongs to Melee. But I've since come to terms with Smash not reaching that standard, so I won't hold it against other Smash games going forward.

 

[Deku89]

I have two concerns about this rumor: we don't know the specific games involved and we don't know the quality of the games. Basically, it's just fluff. Sure, it does get me a little excited for prospects of more games, but there's no information here.

 

[Vertti]

Having shared library probably hinders hardware sales but not software sales.

Let's say Nintendo can release six 1st party titles in a year. In five years that's 30 games. If you have two different consoles that's 15 + 15 if we simplify things a bit. In order you to play all games you need both consoles. How many 3DS's owners have Wii U too? About 20% at max.

Nintendo could go Game Boy route and make the handheld pretty cheap. Also because all the games would be crossplay it would encourage to people buy the other console too.

But I don't really know what is the best option. Just speculating...

 

[Falchion]

Sounds like any franchise within arms reach could be a candidate for the NX, that would be cool.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

FTFY

Spoiler

Melee was awesome, don't get me wrong. But it definitely wasn't the best in the series, that honor now belongs to Smash 4. But I've since come to terms with old Smash games not reaching that standard, so I won't hold it against other Smash games from the past.

FTFY

 

[MK_768]

FTFY

Spoiler

Smash 4 was awesome, don't get me wrong. But it definitely wasn't the best in the series, that honor still belongs to Melee. But I've since come to terms with Smash not reaching that standard, so I won't hold it against other Smash games going forward.

Well I did say in my opinion lmao.

 

[georly]

FTFY

Accurate.

 

[Neoxon]

Well I did say in my opinion lmao.

Fair enough

 

[VariantX]

Sorry to be a downer, but isn't this the exact same scenario that played out prior to the Wii U launch?

Folks on Twitter (and Gametrailers) indicating great software support for Wii U and stating that the machine is as powerful as current gen machines if not more powerful, and is very easy to port games to.

Now we're getting rumors of great software support for NX with equal or may be slightly superior performance of current gen machines.

And upgraded machines from MS and Sony are on the way.

When it comes to Nintendo; If it's too good to be true...you know the rest.

I don't think you could blame them for thinking that prior to launch. Considering no one outside of development circles expected so many publishers that were supposedly working on Wii U stuff to pull support so quickly. If Nintendo posted another slide in a direct full of publisher logos in a future direct, people would rightly be skeptical until the stuff hits store shelves.

 

[axisofweevils]

This makes a lot of sense to me. Say Nintendo spent four years to get Smash on 3DS and Wii U.... With the NX shared architecture, that could be brought down to two years, and then, with the free 2 years, they can make something else.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

FTFY

Spoiler

Smash 4 was awesome, don't get me wrong. But it definitely wasn't the best in the series, that honor still belongs to Melee. But I've since come to terms with Smash not reaching that standard, so I won't hold it against other Smash games going forward.

They literally wrote IMO. You could have easily just written "I wouldn't say Smash 4 was the best...." and continue from there.

:|

Anyways, hope Rogers' right about this. She's been right more often than not, so here's hoping.

 

[Instro]

Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.

Too be fair, the negative ones have also been the ones that turned out to be true for Nintendo stuff for a while now.

 

[Neoxon]

FTFY

Accurate.

One of my biggest gripes with Smash 4 is the lack of depth in its combat, especially compared to Melee. Granted, there's stuff like Bidou being discovered, but I sadly don't see that being as widespread as I would like it to (basically I want it to be as widespread as wavedashing or L-Cancelling in Melee) due to the amount of hoops you have to jump through to use Bidou (& the fact that the GameCube Controller, while you can do Bidou on it, can't use Bidou as well as the Pro Controller). It also doesn't help that while Smash 4 is definitely fun to play, it isn't exactly as fun to watch as, say, Melee.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

One of my biggest gripes with Smash 4 is the lack of depth in its combat, especially compared to Melee. Granted, there's stuff like Bidou being discovered, but I sadly don't see that being as widespread as I would like it to (basically I want it to be as widespread as wavedashing or L-Cancelling) due to the amount of hoops you have to jump through to use Bidou. It also doesn't help that while Smash 4 is definitely fun to play, it isn't exactly as fun to watch as, say, Melee.

I understand, and that's fine.

But you're allowed to post and think that without people interjecting every time to make sure you know the one they like more is better.

The things that you and perhaps the FGC value aren't necessarily what some other players value, whose claim to the Smash fan base is equally legitimate.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Fair enough

Can you just stop force your opinions upon other people please? It's getting annoying to see you fixing other people's posts because you just simply don't agree with their opinions. Deal with it if people really like Smash 4 more than they did with Melee.

Honestly, I love Smash U and Melee equally because they were great games in their own ways. I would go into details but I don't really want to derail this thread into Smash discussion again. Heck, I even like Brawl for wrong reason,

Spoiler

Brawl's mod scene were great. Brawl Plus, Brawl Minus, Project M, Balanced Brawl

 

[georly]

One of my biggest gripes with Smash 4 is the lack of depth in its combat, especially compared to Melee. Granted, there's stuff like Bidou being discovered, but I sadly don't see that being as widespread as I would like it to (basically I want it to be as widespread as wavedashing or L-Cancelling in Melee) due to the amount of hoops you have to jump through to use Bidou (& the fact that the GameCube Controller, while you can do Bidou on it, can't use Bidou as well as the Pro Controller). It also doesn't help that while Smash 4 is definitely fun to play, it isn't exactly as fun to watch as, say, Melee.

As someone who doesn't play competitively outside of my circle of friends, I find melee's controls to be WAY less responsive to my input than smash 4. I know people who play melee religiously disagree, but when I want to dodge in smash 4, the characters dodge. I think L-cancelling is literally the dumbest mechanic in a fighting game, ever, because there is never ever ever ever ever ever ever a situation where you *DON'T* want to use it, so it's just an extra button input for no reason. I get the adoration for wave dashing, because it allows you to perform standing moves while in motion (rather than a dash attack), as well as lets you move around more freely, so I 100% get the appeal of that, but I would much rather a game let you do all of that without the need for crazy well-timed button inputs.

I prefer smash 4 because of the better roster, better stages, and I *LIKE* the way the game feels and plays, even if it isn't as hype to watch in a competitive sense. I think it's a good mid-point between melee and brawl, and it's perfect for someone like me to play. Only way you'll ever get me to go back to melee is if you promise we can do pokeballs on high, because seeing like 9 pokemon out at once is amazing.

Can you just stop force your opinions upon other people please? It's getting annoying to see you fixing other people's posts because you just simply don't agree with their opinions. Deal with it if people really like Smash 4 more than they did with Melee.

Honestly, I love Smash U and Melee equally because they were great games in their own ways. I would go into details but I don't really want to derail this thread into Smash discussion again.

Yarr, i've made my peace with it.

Really can't wait for smash NX though. Will be a day 1 purchase for me. Ice climbers plz.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

The problem with this rumor is that it's really vague and obvious.One of the Wii Us problem is that it suffered from lack of software. Now that's due to a couple of reasons beyond also having the 3DS. The Wii U was hard to develop for, budgets and time to make a game increased, the console didn't sell well sell so investing anything in it beyond surefire hits would be a running a fool's errand etc. It doesn't take a genius to realize that Nintendo is board meetings to discuss resolving these problems because, yes, they were problems that hindered the Wii U. However that doesn't sound like THE goal for the NX. "Having more software" is something every consumer electronics manufacturer is striving for. It might be true in the sense that Nintendo wants this to be the platform to showcase the best of the best of their IPs, because Nintendo's IP is arguably the most valuable part of the company. But there's something more, there has to be something more and nobody is speaking about it.

 

[Neoxon]

I understand, and that's fine.

But you're allowed to post and think that without people interjecting every time to make sure you know the one they like more is better.

The things that you and perhaps the FGC value aren't necessarily what some other players value, whose claim to the Smash fan base is equally legitimate.

Eh, fair enough. I just wanted to put my two cents in. Melee was still enjoyable from a casual perspective, & its depth didn't impact casual play unless the pro player was absolutely crushing the casual player's soul. But again, that's just how I see it. Though given that I've played fighting games since I was a little kid, I'm probably really skewed to the competitive side of things.

 

[Oersted]

Or people are way too gullible. Hence you get 200 pages on a 3D print of a fake controller. The stuff people have posted from this person in particular is the most basic and common sense stuff. And then it mostly didn't even turn out to be true, lol.

I wondered why the NX controller thread didn't got closed because it was a blatant obvious fake and I'm still wondering about it, so leave me out of this^^

And lets be real, the overwhelming negativity here despite reality and the willingness of buying into obvious fakes is that many Gaffers are overwhelming negative towards Nintendo.

Hell, who am I telling that.

 

[Trojita]

I'm supposed to trust the company that left a massive lack of any released titles at the end of the Wii's life as well as produced the limited Wii U software release. Foolmeoncegeorgebush.gif

Also please don't tell me to be excited about something we literally haven't seen a thing of yet.

 

[Mesoian]

You should never be excited about a software line up based on faith.

Show something. Then the hype train will move out of this station.

 

[Neoxon]

As someone who doesn't play competitively outside of my circle of friends, I find melee's controls to be WAY less responsive to my input than smash 4. I know people who play melee religiously disagree, but when I want to dodge in smash 4, the characters dodge. I think L-cancelling is literally the dumbest mechanic in a fighting game, ever, because there is never ever ever ever ever ever ever a situation where you *DON'T* want to use it, so it's just an extra button input for no reason. I get the adoration for wave dashing, because it allows you to perform standing moves while in motion (rather than a dash attack), as well as lets you move around more freely, so I 100% get the appeal of that, but I would much rather a game let you do all of that without the need for crazy well-timed button inputs.

I prefer smash 4 because of the better roster, better stages, and I *LIKE* the way the game feels and plays, even if it isn't as hype to watch in a competitive sense. I think it's a good mid-point between melee and brawl, and it's perfect for someone like me to play. Only way you'll ever get me to go back to melee is if you promise we can do pokeballs on high, because seeing like 9 pokemon out at once is amazing.



Yarr, i've made my peace with it.

Really can't wait for smash NX though. Will be a day 1 purchase for me. Ice climbers plz.

Uhhhh, I would't be 110% sure about that. But I do agree that the Smash 4 roster is vastly superior (lack of Ice Climbers aside).

 

[CosmicQueso]

Also please don't tell me to be excited about something we literally haven't seen a thing of yet.

Not even putting your glasses on will help you on this one I'm afraid.

 

[Triforce141]

Can you just stop force your opinions upon other people please? It's getting annoying to see you fixing other people's posts because you just simply don't agree with their opinions. Deal with it if people really like Smash 4 more than they did with Melee.

Honestly, I love Smash U and Melee equally because they were great games in their own ways. I would go into details but I don't really want to derail this thread into Smash discussion again. Heck, I even like Brawl for wrong reason,

Spoiler

Brawl's mod scene were great. Brawl Plus, Brawl Minus, Project M, Balanced Brawl

The fact that the Brawl Minus team has the ability to mod Smash Wii U now screams broken fun for me.

 

[MK_768]

I dont like it when people are condescending towards those who are excited or to those who are cautious. It is reasonable to feel either way.

 

[Lord Azrael]

Unrelated to Emily's post, but last night I dreamed that Nintendo unveiled a new DS-like handheld called the Nintendo Dedevil (NDD) and that I was playing a new home console 2D Mario.

The thirst is real.

 

[Menitta]

You should never be excited about a software line up based on faith.

Show something. Then the hype train will move out of this station.

I agree 100% with this. After the Wii U, I'm on the "show, don't tell" bandwagon. I was an unfortunate soul who got a Wii U in December of 2012 who then had to deal with a year of almost nothing noteworthy coming out. I'm not going to make the same mistake I did then.

If there's a dream game launch title, I'll consider it, but other than that, I'll probably get an NX in mid-late 2017.

 

[Skittzo0413]

However that doesn't sound like THE goal for the NX. "Having more software" is something every consumer electronics manufacturer is striving for. It might be true in the sense that Nintendo wants this to be the platform to showcase the best of the best of their IPs, because Nintendo's IP is arguably the most valuable part of the company. But there's something more, there has to be something more and nobody is speaking about it.

I agree 100% and I'm betting that's because very few people outside of NCL know about it. The way they keep talking about "brand new concepts" and "competition stealing our ideas" convinces me that there has to be something huge and different that they are coming out with. What it is and how it's received is anyone's guess.

 

[georly]

Uhhhh, I would't be 110% sure about that. But I do agree that the Smash 4 roster is vastly superior (lack of Ice Climbers aside).

I assume our definitions of stages vary, as I'm sure you prefer competitive friendly ones. I'm down for crazy stages. For example, melee does not have midgar. I also adore the omega modes which let me see art assets and listen to music from all the stages.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Too be fair, the negative ones have also been the ones that turned out to be true for Nintendo stuff for a while now.

Like what? Genuinely asking.

 

[Neoxon]

I assume our definitions of stages vary, as I'm sure you prefer competitive friendly ones. I'm down for crazy stages. For example, melee does not have midgar. I also adore the omega modes which let me see art assets and listen to music from all the stages.

I don't mind controlled chaos, but some stages go too crazy with it or have unnecessary chaos (see Wily's Castle) with no hazard toggle. While I appreciate the thought behind Omega Mode, I wish that there was an Alpha Mode & an Beta Mode to where we can get stages with a similar layout to Battlefield & Smashville respectively.

 

[potatohead]

This E3 is going to be crazy. Even with all the FF remake and Shenmue and whatever.... this E3 is even more unpredictable....

I hope Nintendo does well with this. I love WiiU, fuck the haters

 

[Anth0ny]

I assume our definitions of stages vary, as I'm sure you prefer competitive friendly ones. I'm down for crazy stages. For example, melee does not have midgar. I also adore the omega modes which let me see art assets and listen to music from all the stages.

but melee has pokefloats



pokefloats

 

[Neoxon]

This E3 is going to be crazy. Even with all the FF remake and Shenmue and whatever.... this E3 is even more unpredictable....

I hope Nintendo does well with this. I love WiiU, fuck the haters

Again, I'm still not convinced that Nintendo will wait until E3. There'd be too much at stake if they wait until then.

 

[Asd202]

This makes a lot of sense to me. Say Nintendo spent four years to get Smash on 3DS and Wii U.... With the NX shared architecture, that could be brought down to two years, and then, with the free 2 years, they can make something else.

So why so many games this gen get deleyed left and right?

 

[Neoxon]

So why so many games this gen get deleyed left and right?

Because Nintendo's focus is split between the Wii U & the 3DS.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

I assume our definitions of stages vary, as I'm sure you prefer competitive friendly ones. I'm down for crazy stages. For example, melee does not have midgar. I also adore the omega modes which let me see art assets and listen to music from all the stages.

If Smash 4 had Pokéfloats I'd agree with you. It does not.

 

[Bolivar687]

This is really vague and hard to believe.

 

[georly]

but melee has pokefloats



pokefloats

If Smash 4 had Pokéfloats I'd agree with you. It does not.

Compelling argument.

 

[Kissenkopf]

I agree 100% with this. After the Wii U, I'm on the "show, don't tell" bandwagon. I was an unfortunate soul who got a Wii U in December of 2012 who then had to deal with a year of almost nothing noteworthy coming out. I'm not going to make the same mistake I did then.

If there's a dream game launch title, I'll consider it, but other than that, I'll probably get an NX in mid-late 2017.

I am one of the people qho bought a Wii U at launch and guess what? I am totally happy with it. From the start till now. While there were no Nintendo games I bought Third Party Titles like Darkaiders 2 or Assassins Creed. Maybe they weren't the best ports but absolutly playable and enjoyable, you know.
So when the NX will arrive I will be there at launch again because ehatever happens with the console in its life one thing is for sure: it will have, at least, some third party titles between the georgous Nintendo titles. If it will have plenty third party games? Even better.
You and so many people are just bitter and should at least be a little bit grateful for the fun you had while playing games. But you just see the negative sides and can't think positive for a second.

 

[emb]

Haha, I enjoy when various threads turn into the classic SSB debate thread, however briefly.

 

[Takuan]

Fool me twice... can't get fooled again!

 

[perfectchaos007]

Nintendo seems to realize they can no longer rely on 3rd parties in the slightest to produce content. I'm sure they would welcome all the third parties with open arms, but there has to be interest on both sides. Nintendo needs to make NX a console that is fully sustainable on first party offerings which would mean they would need to output 6-8 AAA titles per year. If 3rd parties get on board in the future then that would be icing on the cake.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Too be fair, the negative ones have also been the ones that turned out to be true for Nintendo stuff for a while now.

Which is why the CPU stuff from LCGeek is weird. On one hand, it sounds positive out of context, but then he said it in a way like he was complaining and disappointed, and most of the real stuff came from people venting frustration... Dunno who to believe. D: The way that Emily seems to be actively downplaying power and won't give any specifics on her "power level is wrong" comment combined with this really gives the impression that it won't be powerful enough for third-party games after all. Dammit, I just want this thing to be revealed already and for devs to finally come out and tell the truth like before (unless the simple truth is that no major Western devs even took working with the console into consideration. :/)

I'm not as worked up as I seem btw. It's just fun to speculate. I really do find it odd that she only addressed the gimmick part being wrong in this blog, as if she's trying to hide or shit attention away from something.

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I think that it's not always true that positive stuff is wrong and negative stuff is right though.

 

[J@hranimo]

Nintendo seems to realize they can no longer rely on 3rd parties in the slightest to produce content. I'm sure they would welcome all the third parties with open arms, but there has to be interest on both sides. Nintendo needs to make NX a console that is fully sustainable on first party offerings which would mean they would need to output 6-8 AAA titles per year. If 3rd parties get on board in the future then that would be icing on the cake.

You know, I almost thought this was an off-topic post in a smash thread...holyshit wtf why did a smash discussion happen again.

I agree 100%. I also think that the NX console's hardware specs need to be on par with the offerings today to GET some 3rd party games. Then there's the online ecosystem that hopefully will be fully modernized...really hope they nail it this time.

 

[diaspora]

Which is why the CPU stuff from LCGeek is weird. On one hand, it sounds positive out of context, but then he said it in a way like he was complaining and disappointed, and most of the real stuff came from people venting frustration... Dunno who to believe. D:

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I think that it's not always true that positive stuff is wrong and negative stuff is right though.

He's saying the NX's CPU is objectively and noticeably superior to the PS4's, full-stop. The reason he was down in general was because the PS4 and Xbox's CPUs are dogshit in general. So essentially, yeah it's better than existing shitty hardware but it's still worse than most if not all PC CPUs on the market.