Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NX’s software output

Steroyd said:
Nintendo games can sell 5 million on a Nintendo system that has sold 10 million total, it's a blessing and a curse, you might as well say Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
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I was saying that stating that console Pokemon is the ONLY first-party game which can move consoles is very shortsighted.
 
Wondering about the controller.

Emily talks only about the software and not about the hardware. Just wondering why.


Because of the controls you will be able to use 8 different colors instead of 4

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/d...on-nintendo-nx-indie-game-and-its-controller/
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Does this means we get a snes controller with 8 buttons?


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@MUWANdo said:
Eurogamer backed up the Mother 3 rumour insomuch as they'd heard the same thing from their own source (as had a lot of people, incidentally) but you can hardly call it confirmed.

So much of of the "rumour" posted by "insiders" is just supposition based on publicly stated facts; the smarter ones keep things vague but occasionally they go all-in on specifics and get blown up. Why there's an audience for it, I don't know.
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lol. Getting exact dates for Directs and other stuff correct every time is just supposition based on publicly stated facts. Okay.
 
Honestly this is expected considering that the NX will get many different hardware forms including a handheld down the line. So Nintendos whole first party lineup hitting one system was always gonna be richer compared to the the past were they shared efforts between handheld and home system.
Abriael said:
It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.
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Yeah that's a very bad first post lol.
 
Nanashrew said:
But it's everything Iwata has talked about when discussing plans for the future and the NX.
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As much as I adored the man but he always merely talked the talk im this regard. Iwatas statements about lessons learned and how things will be better next time round was basically either wishful thinking or deceit.

I expect the NX to suffer the same fate as the WiiU, as so far I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Nintendo changed their MO in any significant way.

It's time to Nut up or shut up
 
This was already posted by Zalman, but it probably needs to be posted on every page of this thread.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models.The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.
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Iwata: NX needs to avoid launch issues that plagued Wii U and 3DS.

For Wii U in particular, it cannot be said that it had a successful launch. As for Nintendo 3DS, in Japan there was a temporary slowdown but we managed to make a recovery by offering a number of initiatives collectively. On the other hand, Wii U has not been able to recover at this point in time. Because of this, the size of the installed base compared to the Nintendo DS or Wii eras appears not to be as solid and this is reflected in the company's profitability. But taking a look back, it was not the case that Nintendo DS sold with huge momentum from the beginning. When it first started to lose momentum, we offered a number of titles from a new genre, such as "nintendogs" or "Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day," and these titles were widely accepted even by those who had never played video games in the past. This sequence of events led to a very large business. The platform business can sometimes be referred to as a "momentum business." Thus, it is ideal to have a jump start and drive momentum. Looking back at some of Nintendo's past platforms, this ideal launch has been achieved 100 percent by perhaps only Wii. Even the Nintendo DS launch had areas in which we could have done better. I cannot disagree with your indication that Wii U is experiencing the most unfavorable situation.
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Abriael said:
It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.
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How does it sound like that

fabricated backlash said:
As much as I adored the man but he always merely talked the talk im this regard. Iwatas statements about lessons learned and how things will be better next time round was basically either wishful thinking or deceit.

I expect the NX to suffer the same fate as the WiiU, as so far I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Nintendo changed their MO in any significant way.

It's time to Nut up or shut up
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Really? Never heard anything about the company restructuring in Japan? The console and handheld divisions being unified. There were plenty of things we heard. Whether you listened or not is a whole other thing.
 
fabricated backlash said:
As much as I adored the man but he always merely talked the talk im this regard. Iwatas statements about lessons learned and how things will be better next time round was basically either wishful thinking or deceit.

I expect the NX to suffer the same fate as the WiiU, as so far I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Nintendo changed their MO in any significant way.

It's time to Nut up or shut up
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Iwata restructured the company only recently, built more buildings, placed all their hardware and software divisions into one studio to improve output, expanded, and that's not doing something?
 
I havent really been keeping up with NX news, but do you think there's a chance it'll be able to play Wii U games? I'm wanting a Wii U for the Zelda HD remakes, but would rather wait for the NX tho play the games. If not, do you think there's a chance they'll port them?
 
Nanashrew said:
But it's everything Iwata has talked about when discussing plans for the future and the NX.
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How dare you bringing rationality to a Nintendo thread? Do you really think Nintendo has their major shake up for any reasonable purpose?! Ahahahahahahfaf! So cute! They did it only becase they want you to believe things will be different. The great Gods of Nintendo Zealous Overdisappointment (G.O.N.Z.O) have spoken pretty clearly, things will never, ever change. Otherwise, the Gods would look like childish moron who deserve a small punishment by the destiny in terms of light forum humiliation, but that will NEVER happen, trust me!
 
Well I guess we will see how big the software library is within a year. It's hard to imagine (even with Ports, former Wii U Games and new NX Games) that Nintendo will publish at least 3 Games every month to reach that goal.
 
KeasbyKnight said:
I havent really been keeping up with NX news, but do you think there's a chance it'll be able to play Wii U games? I'm wanting a Wii U for the Zelda HD remakes, but would rather wait for the NX tho play the games. If not, do you think there's a chance they'll port them?
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I don't think it's going to. For one thing, they would have a really (unnecessarily) difficult future if they continued down the same architecture/chipset path. For another, rumored ports of Smash Bros. and Splatoon would be kind of pointless if you could just slot in your Wii U version and save $60+.

I dunno though. Nintendo does seem to highly value BC. Their handheld line has literally always had it for at least one generation, and their home consoles have had BC since 2006.
 
Hip Hop said:
Who is Emily Rogers and why should we trust her?
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We don't really know who she is, but she has a nice track record of leaks: Paper Mario for Wii U, unified Wii U + 3DS wallets, Miiverse for 3DS, concrete dates of upcoming Nintendo Directs... There's also a Mother 3 localisation rumour backed up by Eurogamer.
 
Dark Cloud said:
When did Emily Rodgers say this about the Wii U? If you have proof of her saying the exact same things prior to the Wii U then show me please.
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not necessarily Emily but surely sources at that time revealed something similar? because I feel like I heard this stuff before.

and even Emily cannot know for sure how big the output is gonna be , these are just strategies put in place and the results won't be known until after the console is released.
 
leroidys said:
I don't think it's going to. For one thing, they would have a really (unnecessarily) difficult future if they continued down the same architecture/chipset path. For another, rumored ports of Smash Bros. and Splatoon would be kind of pointless if you could just slot in your Wii U version and save $60+.

I dunno though. Nintendo does seem to highly value BC. Their handheld line has literally always had it for at least one generation, and their home consoles have had BC since 2006.
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Cheers man, hopefully they'll get a port in a worst case scenario.
 
Flopfan said:
and even Emily cannot know for sure how big the output is gonna be , these are just strategies put in place and the results won't be known until after the console is released.
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Well, she does say that:

Reminder: A new process/strategy doesn’t necessarily mean that software won’t ever be delayed, or there won’t ever be gaps between releases. There is no “perfect strategy” that will prevent delays if a project requires more polish…or if a project just isn’t coming together as the company had hoped.

Also, the company does Nintendo Directs, so it’s unknown how much software will be revealed at E3 this year. For example: Bayonetta 2 wasn’t announced until three months after E3 2012. Games like Xenoblade Chronicles X, Yoshi Wooly World, and Wind Waker HD weren’t revealed until the January 2013 Direct — two months after Wii U launched.

So it’s possible that Nintendo may save some game announcements for later events after E3 (and after launch). I highly doubt that they will bust their entire load at E3.
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EVEN if Nintendo has pipe dreams and ambitions about superb western 3rd party supports like some people on neogaf, this is the best and only strategy for that. 1st party success and software flow is the key. It will make or break the console's image as something that stands out in the market. They did the _opposite_ of this for the Wii U - holding back on 1st party releases for the launch year+. That was a disastrous decision even bigger than the actual hardware, naming, promotion etc.

Nintendo no longer operate as separate console and handheld divisions, but some people seem to cling on to that division when talking about Nintendo's potential. That does not make sense anymore. The NX will sell to people who buy consoles and to people who buy Nintendo handhelds. Even with the disappointing Wii U performance we're talking 70-80 million units looking at the current Nintendo generation. That's not a silly number to bring up because when you buy an NX this holiday you buy it safe in the knowledge you'll get as many games as the console and handheld would get combined in an earlier Nintendo era.
 
Starfish Hero said:
Make smaller games? It's not like Nintendo rapidly expanded their development teams.
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They have expanded heavily in recent years, but Wii U didn't profit much from this because they moved many games to NX.

Plus cooperations with platinum, Bandau Namco, Capcom etc.

No need for smaller games to provide a steady output for NX.
 
Peru said:
EVEN if Nintendo has pipe dreams and ambitions about superb western 3rd party supports like some people on neogaf, this is the best and only strategy for that. 1st party success and software flow is the key. It will make or break the console's image as something that stands out in the market. They did the _opposite_ of this for the Wii U - holding back on 1st party releases for the launch year+. That was a disastrous decision even bigger than the actual hardware, naming, promotion etc.

Nintendo no longer operate as separate console and handheld divisions, but some people seem to cling on to that division when talking about Nintendo's potential. That does not make sense anymore. The NX will sell to people who buy consoles and to people who buy Nintendo handhelds. Even with the disappointing Wii U performance we're talking 70-80 million units looking at the current Nintendo generation. That's not a silly number to bring up because when you buy an NX this holiday you buy it safe in the knowledge you'll get as many games as the console and handheld would get combined in an earlier Nintendo era.
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that will be true only if you had to buy the software once to play it on both. Is this confirmed to be the case?
 
cyba89 said:
lol. Getting exact dates for Directs and other stuff correct every time is just supposition based on publicly stated facts. Okay.
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I wasn't talking specifically or only about Emily Rogers; I don't keep track of what she in does/doesn't post and the only thing that really sticky in my head about her is that she keeps announcing her "retirement" without ever retiring. (I will say that a PR leak is worlds away from a hardware leak, but if that's what she's posting and she's generally right then good for her.)

The stuff posted in the OP could easily be inferred from public statements, yes. Maybe she was told things by people in a closer position than herself but that doesn't necessarily mean they're any more informed than the average schlub (Chris Pranger being a very public example).
 
at this point I'm not putting much stock in these rumors even from "legit" sources. I want official information from HQ.
 
Peru said:
EVEN if Nintendo has pipe dreams and ambitions about superb western 3rd party supports like some people on neogaf, this is the best and only strategy for that. 1st party success and software flow is the key. It will make or break the console's image as something that stands out in the market. They did the _opposite_ of this for the Wii U - holding back on 1st party releases for the launch year+. That was a disastrous decision even bigger than the actual hardware, naming, promotion etc.

Nintendo no longer operate as separate console and handheld divisions, but some people seem to cling on to that division when talking about Nintendo's potential. That does not make sense anymore. The NX will sell to people who buy consoles and to people who buy Nintendo handhelds. Even with the disappointing Wii U performance we're talking 70-80 million units looking at the current Nintendo generation. That's not a silly number to bring up because when you buy an NX this holiday you buy it safe in the knowledge you'll get as many games as the console and handheld would get combined in an earlier Nintendo era.
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There's a lot of assumptions in this post. Delusional assumptions too.
 
Sandfox said:
By that logic 3rd parties should drop the Xbox One and get everyone on Playstation.

There's potential to introduce more people to their games depending on the userbase the NX attracts. You're assuming that people who are interested in the NX won't want to play third party games on the device just because it happened with the Wii U.
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Not really, they benefit from a 2 system environment over a monopoly, where they are at the mercy of 1 platform holder when they can have 2 platform holders vying for their attention, which includes marketing deals and exclusive deals.
 
This is the exact same stuff that has been said about every Nintendo console and handheld ever.

It's always - the console will be everything every gamer has ever wanted, and there will no longer be droughts and gaps in software releases.

This pattern has been happening over and over, and only after I see it turning out different, will I believe that nintendo has solved the issues.
 
cordy said:
Also, Emily said she wasn't improved with the Wii U's software which can be a good or bad thing I guess. I mean, did anyone really like the Wii U's games? I can see Smash, Mario Maker, Splatoon and 3D World, Bayonetta 2 and all but what else did it have?
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Are you joking?

Some Nintendo funded Wii U games:

Captain Toad, Project Zero 5, Mario Party, Nintendo Land, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Mario Kart, Bayonetta 1, Hyrule Warriors, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Wii Party U, Lego City Undercover, New Super Mario Bros, Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Color Splash, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, The Wonderful 101, Yoshis Wolly World, etc.

Wii U has great library, its only real flaw was many month without new games. If Nintendo had not moved some games to NX the Wii U would be the Nintendo console with the best first party output.
 
Sure. If instead of splitting games between Wii u and 3ds everything will be on NX then first party output will look amazing but won't be that different from now.

I do hope they have systems developed to work through games faster (streamline production rather than shortcut) but if it's anything like animal crossing amiibo party, Mario tennis, zelda tri force heroes, animal crossing happy home designer or metroid force federation....I'm out, that output looks phoned in and rushed out the door without the nintendo quality.
 
Well, i'm all for better 1st party output of games, and that shared library stuff should really help them, if correctly carried out. I'm also fine in moving over (former) Wii U games, but if a game is already announced for Wii U, it'd be nice to at least keep those cross-gen, like Zelda probably will be.
Not sharing her sentiment about Wii Us library, at least Nintendo did drop some quality stuff that kept me entertained for the time.

Now, where do all those conclusions about no 3rd party support come from? If i read the OP correctly, it states "sources close to Nintendo". Of course, not knowing how close these sources are, or how much of an insight they have, but i'd guess that not everyone at Nintendo knows about stuff/plans from the 3rds, depending on their position at Nintendo.

And finally, why are some people still posting crap like "Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party"? They very much do, or do you guys think that PS4 and XOne are solely driven by their "vast" amount of 1st/2nd party games?
Does Nintendo need every 3rd party game out there? Maybe not. But they definitely do need at least the annual big IPs from the major western 3rd parties, and (imo) a steady flow of the japanese ones.

And they need these games day one, like PS and XBox get them, and with feature parity, aka not crap like "no multiplayer", "no DLC", etc.
 
Hope it's true because i remember shit like this before the wii u came out. Then again, it definitely wasn't from her, who was skeptical about it.

About the gimmick, i'm not surprised. It didn't make sense at all.
Abriael said:
It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.
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Does it?

ShadowFox08 said:
SO in other words, specs are xbox one level, and we should totally ignore that and just hope for the best 1st party games? lol
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Where does she suggest that? I can't find it in the article.

chaosblade said:
Neat, another one.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100006922&postcount=39
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Hahahaha
"Thing happened in the past, thing will happen again 100% and no one ever did anything to try to avoid in the future".
 
Nintendo pls

I want the rumours to stop

Give us something

Edit: isn't 10k's ban lifted after June 18th? So after E3 lol
 
Oddduck said:
Yeah, I realize Iwata had an awful track record with promising to "end droughts".

But this is the first time where he's actually explained a plan on how to solve the situation.
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I think a shared library would work. Nintendo puts out a lot of games, they are just split between two platforms.

If they still make "portable games" and "home console games" as separate things just with the same tools and programming, I doubt the situation will improve much.

Rodin said:
Hahahaha
"Thing happened in the past, thing will happen again 100% and no one ever did anything to try to avoid in the future".
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Yeah, let's totally disregard the clear trend and instead just assume that this time things will be different.
 
haimon said:
This is the exact same stuff that has been said about every Nintendo console and handheld ever.

It's always - the console will be everything every gamer has ever wanted, and there will no longer be droughts and gaps in software releases.

This pattern has been happening over and over, and only after I see it turning out different, will I believe that nintendo has solved the issues.
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She said there would still potentially be droughts and gaps in software releases.

The info about a change in development process is new to me, I don't remember anything like it being claimed before other Nintendo hardware releases.
 
chaosblade said:
Neat, another one.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100006922&postcount=39
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What they did internally is a major reorganisation of teams, locations, development procedures, etc. Yep, in the past the promises weren't fulfilled, but trying to piant what done recently (I mean, major major GREAT changes in theory) as if absolutely nothing changed, well before we see the results, because "Eh, nothing's gonna change" is purely, merely, undeniably asinine. Or fitting for the G.O.N.Z.O. All hail the G.O.N.Z.O.!
 
PsychoRaven said:
You know I love Nintendo but we've heard this shit every gen. Oh oh we'll have more output. We'll have more games. If anything their output has gotten worse each gen. I really do think they just need to bite the bullet and go third party. Let others focus on the consoles, they make the games. It's a win win.
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eh, the Wii U output absolutely outshines the GameCube era of "you know that game you want? well, it's sort of like the game, but with like half the content and also you have to wear a hat that makes funny noises like "BA-HONK" instead of swinging a sword".
 
the wii from launch in 2006, all through 2007, and at the start of 2008 (with mario kart and smash) was ace for me, in that period we got zelda, metroid, mario, new franchises like wii sports, wacky games like wario ware. 2008 after e3 had wario land and animal crossing. In 2009 we had punch out and new mario wii and mp trilogy (which i never managed to get until the rerelease on wii u). the biggest problem i think is that their best devs (for example, zelda team, ead tokyo, retro) are almost always aligned in their releases. so you get this awesome lineup one year and then almost nothing the next.

The wii u had a terrible launch and only started getting good after the release of pikmin 3, 2014 gathered a lot of good will too, not to mention that 2013 was phenomenal for the 3ds.

I really hope that this gen "fixes" this, because i love their games and in the end i feel pretty positive towards the console/handheld.
 
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