Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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It will help not having to spend time making two different versions of NES Remix. Bringing the handheld and console libraries together (if true) will be the biggest game changer to me.
cartographer
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No "and" from me. That poster asked a question and I responded based on what I read.
Admitted to being misleading about his sourcing in regard to Zhuge.
Eolz
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She was a bit upset (she should) about this earlier today : https://twitter.com/wiiudaily/status/722792349982699525
Wouldn't be surprised if she talks about star fox reviews too.
Yup. She's called out people before I think. I want to say she's said shit about either indie devs or other bloggers.
If it has to do with shit like this then good. WiiUDaily was clearly misquoting her for clicks.
The reason why those 10 million folks are there in the first place is because of how dominant Nintendo were in the past. There's also no guarantee that those people will stick around in the long run. Nintendo will have a very hard time attracting and retaining new fans by remaining niche, and that 10 million core fans will sooner or later dwindle to 8, to 5 million... until even milking the die-hards is no longer a sustainable business model.
What kind of stretching is this!? She never said that!
One of the worst clickbait titles i've seen in a while
Lol awesome.
Third parties ignore them. I'm glad (though still skeptical) that they will increase their own software output. It's the only way to compete. They should have been doing this when they were raking in all the money in from the Wii.
And people just need to give up on third parties ever giving them more than token support. It's been four generations now. It's not happening.
Voysa Reezun
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I agree, which is why Nintendo is trying to reach new fans through Amiibo, theme parks, mobile, etc.
In other words, I don't think their plan for growing the home console audience is to do anything different from their normal MO of being reluctant to cater to third parties and relying on doing unique first-party games instead.
I think that their strategy for growing the home console market is going to be almost totally separate from their home console strategy itself, excepting elements of connectivity between, say, playing a mobile Nintendo game and using that data on the NX somehow or tie-ins between a theme park attraction and a game based on that attraction, etc.
And I think that, for them, catering to the dedicated Nintendo fans is profitable and, as far as competing for other "hardcore" gamers out there, is enough for them. I expect them to try to expand their audience with non-traditional gamers ala the WiiU by chasing more blue ocean tech advances and doing mobile, theme park, etc., stuff outside of their typical home console strategy.
Pancake Mix
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First of all you moved the goalposts once it became clear that Madden and COD games long graced Nintendo consoles.
More like they're done with the Wii U. Activision in particular is incredibly hardware agnostic, they'll be back if it makes sense for them.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You did though, right in your post.
LegendofLex
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They have two choices:
1) discard the value they place on entertainment that works to transcend demographics and their historical focus on appealing to the average joe, which has been the foundation for their success for as long as they've been in video games
2) discard the priorities of third parties that chiefly care about capturing the market for certain highly profitable, high-spending demographics
Option 1 would force them to design the entire vision for their platform around the needs of third parties and their audiences, which incidentally pretty significantly overshoot the spec needs of Nintendo's own audience. Nintendo correctly recognizes the axiom that non-enthusiasts give zero shits about the box that plays the games itself - when they do care about it, it's because it's an expensive nuisance that they'd rather not buy - and it's the games and experiences that inevitably excite them and drive the value of the platform. Third parties' brands are built on a very different set of hardware needs and expectations that require a platform that's both expensive and a nuisance (power hog that creates a lot of noise, has annoying load times because the games are really demanding, etc.).
Option 2 lets them focus on the markets and software that are their priority (the stuff not being done by big multiplatform third party studios, basically), creating opportunities for other developers to make games that serve a broader, less demographically homogenous market that isn't necessarily native to PS4 and Xbox One, that have a chance at success that they might not on those platforms. And since the demands for those markets aren't necessarily tied to hardware specs and the needs of hardcore gamers, they can (and should) focus on platforms (and software designs) that create as little friction as possible between people and games - that are relatively cheap, aren't annoying and prone to hardware failure, have less demanding load times, etc.).
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Hopefully the majority of that isn't just Mario and Zelda, or variations of Mario and Zelda.
Can we get some legit Metroid action, Nintendo? You're gonna let Sony outshine you in the 1st party game?
In order for any of those initiatives to stick, however, they still have to keep a good standing in the home console market.
Now, assuming handhelds are technically consoles, their standing is still good. 3DS has good numbers. However, Wii U does not have good numbers, and for those initiatives Nintendo needs both divisions to do well.
gamerMan
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While this a great news, i don't think it matters.People aren't going to buy a console just to play Nintendo games. I can tell you people aren't buying the Ps4 because of exclusives. At any rate, what is the most number of games that Nintendo can make by itself? 10?20?50? Even releasing 1 game every month is not good enough.
Also, as you produce more and more games and as the development times get shorter and shorter, your quality will suffer and you might start releasing worse content. I don't doubt that will will see all of the Wii U's best selling games appear on the NX.
I think that Nintendo has to market this in a different way. They need to get 3rd parties working with the system. If Emily had said that every multiplatform game that appears on the PS4 and Xbox One will appear on the NX that would be bigger news.
Also, as you produce more and more games and as the development times get shorter and shorter, your quality will suffer and you might start releasing worse content. I don't doubt that will will see all of the Wii U's best selling games appear on the NX.
I think that Nintendo has to market this in a different way. They need to get 3rd parties working with the system. If Emily had said that every multiplatform game that appears on the PS4 and Xbox One will appear on the NX that would be bigger news.
Astral Dog
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meh, people overreact how bad the Wii U lineup really is, like if the first year of this NX is really better than the entire Wii U lineup as Emily says , i would be very impressed (if the handheld and console games are combined it would not be impossible,i supposse), but i dont think the U line was trash like many people say. it lacked variety and content, but for a company like Nintendo they sure did what they could to get that system quality games, even if they were not going to sell much...
games like Star Fox Zero get bashed afor their low quality, but i simply dont see the NX getting such an awesome lineup that will make the Wii, Wii U or DS look bad if you didnt like those systems.
Third Parties are the key there.
games like Star Fox Zero get bashed afor their low quality, but i simply dont see the NX getting such an awesome lineup that will make the Wii, Wii U or DS look bad if you didnt like those systems.
Third Parties are the key there.
Stop sensationalizing stuff. This is the kind of comment, based on nothing concrete, that hurt the discussions and news about stuff like this.
They talk about something you focus on what they didn't even mention to say they are screwed because of it. FFS
Because they never managed both before right? SNES and NES aren't a thing that ever existed?
As I said Nintendo needs to create their own mature line of games to create the audience for said games.
The "people only buy Nintendo games" is crap. Sonic sell best on Nintendo platforms. Thats because Nintendo created and upkept a platform for platformers.
As i said they need another Perfect Dark and their own project gotham racing to build the audience.
The "people only buy Nintendo games" is crap. Sonic sell best on Nintendo platforms. Thats because Nintendo created and upkept a platform for platformers.
As i said they need another Perfect Dark and their own project gotham racing to build the audience.
Looks like the guy was trolling. Just dropped a comment and left.
Dark Cloud
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Any new news?
Wii U daily is complete trash. The few people that post there are completely delusional. They still believe Nintendo isn't releasing a new console this year, and downplay any news about it. They truly are Wii U fanboys. The site also steals all they're info from Gaf and make articles about them.
What happened in this thread?...
I agree with this. Same for family oriented games as well. Those do well. Diversifying further into areas like they once had with Rare will help to rebuild that audience. It will take time, there will be failures, but it's important in the long term.
I agree with this. Same for family oriented games as well. Those do well. Diversifying further into areas like they once had with Rare will help to rebuild that audience. It will take time, there will be failures, but it's important in the long term.
A social justice warrior arrived lol
LegendofLex
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To use a poignant example of why NES wasn't this at all, EA actively avoided publishing games on the NES until shareholders pressured founder Trip Hawkins into doing so. When the Genesis came around, EA jumped ship immediately.
There were lots of games that were successful on NES. But they didn't exist there because Nintendo was specifically accommodating to third parties, or because third parties felt like Nintendo had listened to them when designing NES. It was because NES was a huge phenomenon built on the back of Nintendo making pioneer franchises that created lots of opportunities for third party developers to follow in their wake.
Without Nintendo building the foundation for the platform with their first-party franchises, and dictating what the platform should be to appeal to the greatest number of people, the conventional wisdom from third parties would have been to make a gaming PC like the Commodore 64 that could play the games from EA and the CRPGs and all the other hardcore games of the time. Or it would have been to make a more advanced Atari, except without the crap games lineup. NES was obviously neither of these things.
SNES was just a linear improvement over the NES. Better graphics and sound, better processing, a more advanced controller (more buttons) - none of this is directly traceable to making a better platform for third parties, but just an evolution of the old platform that, because it created opportunities for Nintendo, naturally created opportunities for other developers that wanted to make games for a successful platform.
lol, people are thirsty man, i do find funny that with every vague rumour people tend to overhype it or quickly dismiss it.
Because there's more significance than those previous times in how they've now recently restructured their software and hardware divisions into one, looking to Apple on how to have a proper ecosystem and shared library so they can reduce droughts and will not have to worry about two very different architectures between systems. They're looking to make their platform easier to develop for, likely reducing much of their exotic tech and they've also joined Khronos which is a group about standardizing tech and software.
Voysa Reezun
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Which they have with their core of 10-12M. This means that they have the time and money to use those other avenues to attract people to their core business and grow it from that 10-12M into something greater.
They really don't have any other viable option; the only likely one that I see for growing their home console business is to try and compete directly with Sony and Microsoft in terms of specs and games, but that concept has been anathema to this company since Sony entered the market, so I don't expect them to start now.
The other possibility is that NX has some crazy technology that changes how we play games and is simple enough to simultaneously attract the more casual crowd back into their camp, which I don't count out because I never count out Nintendo.
Dark Cloud
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So pretty much you're quickly dismissing it? The context is different from the past.
Neoleo2143
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I will see how they've re-consolidated their software structure. If they succeed in increasing the efficiency of software development, Nintendo could set a new system for development going forward. In addition, fans of Nintendo franchises benefit greatly, being able to get more games in general which should fix the HD glut that the Wii U suffered from.
I'm not sure how a lot of GAF feels about this but I hope Nintendo is planning on focusing more on the smaller $20 titles. I want to see more variety like an SNES remix, arcade shooters, and likewise. A small rebirth in side-scroller beatem ups would be sick. There will be the AAA production games but those Rocket League- level games are what could really help create a large, beautiful library.
Oh yeah, and about that virtual console...
Oh yeah, and about that virtual console...
ArtHands
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Once bitten, twice shy. I haven't seen any different with what they are doing in the last few months. In fact, they have grown more quiet than before, and there are several rumors of indies claiming they don't have a dev kit yet. They ain't making moves on the Wii U/3DS that indicate that they are changing. For example, we still doesn't have GBA games on 3DS VC.
Okay but it's fact they've changed their internal structure lmfao.
If indies did have a devkit...they can't talk about it because NDAs are a bitch. Regardless, Nintendo probably doesn't see them as vital at this stage in the process.
No i'm not, i trust Emily but the first party output increasing has been discussed since Iwata talked about unifying ecosystems and she also doesn't give any reason why is this happening (maybe she doesn't know, or she knows but won't say it).
Also, if the NX is a flop Nintendo would probably take the Wii U route again, and also statements are like this "The NX could potentially see the highest output of first party software in the companys history." are kinda vague since every successful Nintendo console has the potential to do it (i think the Wii was near the NES on numbers of titles published by nintendo for the console).
Dark Cloud
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I'm cool with more bigger titles and small titles. I like to see a variety. Like I love Captain Toad and Pushmo. I hope with Nintendos higher production they make some more of the smaller titles too and not only the big games.
DukeLongfellow
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I think they shouldn't have that many problems with 3rd parties jumping on board given the console power isn't years behind current gen for once and is seemingly a bit ahead even.
One deterrent could be gimmick controls or hardware that 3rd parties don't feel like dealing with. Luckily, that NX controller "concept" turned out to be fake.
One deterrent could be gimmick controls or hardware that 3rd parties don't feel like dealing with. Luckily, that NX controller "concept" turned out to be fake.
Clockwork5
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Ehhh more like Nintendo's software output. NX will still be left out of 75% of third party software. It will still be lacking, comparatively.
ArtHands
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I am not expecting them to come out and say they have a devkit. I am just expecting indies to not come out and say they don't have one.
And just in case, I am saying they are silence in regards with communication with the fans on other aspects (like the 3DS/Wii U) and not the NX too.
See Nintendo is the only company i trust who's 1st party could easily outshine a 3rd party. I can see them making mature games and killing it if they wanted to. But I doubt her post was talking about only 1st party.
They're dead.
Some indies can be salty. I wouldn't take the words of indies to mean that much if I'm being honest. When 3rd party developers say that...different story ya know.
Also, Nintendo is being silent because what is there to say right now? They have a plan on what to do and when they do...I"m sure they'll have plenty to communicate haha.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yep, I don't really expect any future Smash iteration to beat Smash 4 The ride for Smash 4 was definitely wild run.
I don't think we will see someone replacing Sakurai anytime soon since Sakurai seem to be keen on the idea to work on Smash in the future since he have a doubt about staffs taking over his position in a sense.
Yeah, it's one of the kind. I'm glad that I'm here with OG SmashGAF this time.
Yeah, Nintendo is currently dead to me too.
Yeah I don't expect it happening before the next one. It always seems like Sakurai is done but the guy is just obsessed with making the games lol.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I wouldn't count on Metroid being dead as it's such an interesting IP but I don't think Nintendo cares to make a new F-Zero.