All I ask for is a date.
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
- Thread starter Tom Nook Sawyer
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All I ask for is a date.
Dark Cloud
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That's all some of us are asking for. I'd be happy to hear Kimishima just say the word "NX" three times. Any date or name or whenever they plan on talking about it is what I'm hyped for.
My question was more if we should expect that info on the 27th or the 28th
Expect it for the 28th, so it'll be a decent surprise if it comes at the 27th!
yeah, I second this. He's probably referring to the rumours posted in the past few weeks, but just to be entirely sure: shaowebb, where does that claim come from?
Well shouldn't we be comparing to their Financial briefing in 2011 (ie: pre-reveal), not 2012?
Did they say anything in 2011?
Or at E3 potentially, no?
Careful, I heard if he does that he opens a portal to Flopside.
And if he says it a fourth time, somewhere even scarier....
Unless y'all are in JP, I believe this will be more like the 26th vs. the 27th for you. ☺
I believe the fiscal results on the 27th aren't released until after the market closes for the day in Japan (after 4 PM), so it will be very early AM on the 27th for most folks in the Western Hemisphere.
ReyVGM
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Carts have loading time too. The more complex the game, the longer it loads. Not as much as a disc, of course, but there still loading times.
If carts would theoretically be as big as a blueray, and if the game uses most of the space, there would definitely be loading times.
There are SNES, N64 and several 3DS games with loading times, so it's not really a rare occurrence.
Pokemaniac
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Modern carts have loading times (older ones actually kinda didn't, but they also integrated more deeply with the hardware), but they're significantly faster than discs. Fast enough that there should be no need to install data.
Depends on your time zone. It will be the 28th in Japan.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110426/05.html
Yes, of course. I just meant best case scenario expectation should be that, we will get a date for a potential direct/event before E3.
Ah, true. But I was thinking more of the press conference, which is...usually before the fiscal results? No? I need a timeline if these three events, pretty please. ☺
Edit: never mind, answer is in the Year of NX OP:
Edit 2: relevant to the convo so cross-posting from that thread:
We might get something during the expected press conference as well. That'll likely be late afternoon Wednesday the 27th in JP, around the time of the fiscal results release, so presumably middle of the night Tuesday in America (technically Wednesday). Then Wednesday night in America it will be Thursday AM in Japan and the briefing will occur.
TDLink
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I wouldn't expect a final name until E3. If they're having a press conference prior to E3 they might announce it here. But if they are waiting until E3 they'll more likely announce it in some sort of video/stream ahead of time (along with other things they're doing for E3) like the last couple of years.
At most I think they'll confirm Zelda coming to the system to ensure strong holiday sales.
At most I think they'll confirm Zelda coming to the system to ensure strong holiday sales.
James Scott
Banned
Not sure if it had been posted, but here's a quote from Iwata from like 2013 (likely early on the design period for the NX)
Additionally, Iwata mentioned something about Wii U->NX development being easier by "absorbing" the Wii U's architecture while not necessarily having the same architecture...not sure what he meant by that.
Mentions how they couldn't properly support 3 systems if they continued normally, but this concept could help them release several form factors that wouldn't have to suffer large droughts
Additionally, Iwata mentioned something about Wii U->NX development being easier by "absorbing" the Wii U's architecture while not necessarily having the same architecture...not sure what he meant by that.
I wonder what those other form factors might be? My random guess:
- Powerful home console
- Handheld Console
- Inexpensive 'NX Mini' for casual gamers so they can use it for media apps and stuff like Wii Sports
- A mobile phone controller/addon that let's you play games using your mobile device with an NX app, and/or allows for remote play from the home console
James Scott
Banned
I think just a handheld and console for now. Depending on the market demand they can put more stuff out there.
I was thinking, for a 3rd device, maybe a tablet that had an attachment like the 3DS boat that made it into a handheld and maybe be suitable for Google cardboard like VR
It could mean anything but it's pretty natural that the architecture will be more similar than for most of their platforms. Graphic hardware has become much more standardized over the years so anything they pick will be a smaller shift than going from fixed function shaders on Wii to fully programmable on Wii U. Sure increased shader capabilities opens up the possibility for different rendering techniques that will force them to change the rendering pipeline but at least they should be able to move over existing code with minimal effort.
With regards to software what can one, realisticly, expect for launch?
This is what I would expect for launch
I full expect
- Zelda NX - almost guarateed
- Splatoon port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Smash port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Mario Kart port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Something for their american partners. Perhaps a racer?
- Something gimmicky ala Wii Sports/Nintendo Land
- Something gimmicky from third party, probably Ubi
Would be cool with a 2d mario for release but I do not expect it. Hopefully a real sequel to Mario World this time and not another "new" game
This is what I would expect for launch
I full expect
- Zelda NX - almost guarateed
- Splatoon port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Smash port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Mario Kart port ("game as a service that will evolve")
- Something for their american partners. Perhaps a racer?
- Something gimmicky ala Wii Sports/Nintendo Land
- Something gimmicky from third party, probably Ubi
Would be cool with a 2d mario for release but I do not expect it. Hopefully a real sequel to Mario World this time and not another "new" game
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't see a Mario Kart port happening. MK9 seems much more likely at holiday 2017.
Replace "Mario Kart Port" with "Mario Maker Port". I also don't expect Smash NX to try and continue the community aspects from Wii U, it'll more likely be a definitive release combining content from both Wii U and 3DS but gating itself off as it's own product. Splatoon and Mario Maker will try to more directly bring their communities over as is focusing more on transitioning and cross-compatibility.
I'd also expect some key Japanese 3rd party announcements along the lines of Sonic, DQ, MH, etc. And probably a Pokken port/upgrade.
I'd also expect some key Japanese 3rd party announcements along the lines of Sonic, DQ, MH, etc. And probably a Pokken port/upgrade.
James Scott
Banned
IDK, saying that they can potentially release more than 2 devices with no droughts seems to indicate doing whatever android/iOS does.
But potentially giving devs the option to put in more to make each port better or just release the same game at a higher resolution.
Now she's saying that Nintendo will double down on smaller games and spin offs on the NX because "they can't make software on their own".
EDIT: i found strange that she would suggest this and at the same time that we should be excited about the NX, considering that she criticized the Wii U for years (which had more small games and fewer big titles), but maybe - as many pointed out here - i may have read her tweets wrong. Didn't really want to start anything, and to be clear, i don't mind small games at all (on the contrary, i love many, many Nintendo smaller series), i just think that Nintendo should find a good balance between them, big AAA games and cross developed titles, to avoid the same criticisim that plagued the Wii U since D1 regarding the ambition of their internally developed games.
EDIT: i found strange that she would suggest this and at the same time that we should be excited about the NX, considering that she criticized the Wii U for years (which had more small games and fewer big titles), but maybe - as many pointed out here - i may have read her tweets wrong. Didn't really want to start anything, and to be clear, i don't mind small games at all (on the contrary, i love many, many Nintendo smaller series), i just think that Nintendo should find a good balance between them, big AAA games and cross developed titles, to avoid the same criticisim that plagued the Wii U since D1 regarding the ambition of their internally developed games.
They don't have a choice unless third-party support happens or they go third-party. I'm sure that this won't affect their output of big games anyway.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Nintendo have been doing small and experimental games since forever. The DS and 3DS had plenty of them (especially on the eShop for the latter), but also no shortage of core-focused games. It doesn't have to be one or the other
Read my post again. I didn't say they shouldn't make games like SF Guard, Toad or Pushmo. They need these games, and i do too, because i like them. What i'm saying is that they can't be the focus of the platform, or what defines the new hardware.
This is what i'm saying too. Maybe the last part of my post was confusing (i removed it), but it was directed towards what she said about the NX in the past few days. I want my Wario Ware, Mario Party (a good one at least), Toad, etc, but Nintendo can't double down on smaller projects and make them the main focus of the NX.
I mean, it's one thing to say that Nintendo will keep making smaller games like they always did (yay!), and it's another to suggest that they will double down on those, because it sounds like they'll be the focus of their studios instead of the big ones. You can't imply something like that, and at the same time say that we should be REALLY excited about the NX, if you spent the last 4- 5 years criticizing the Wii U, which had more small projects than AAA games. Hope it's clear now.
Yep! And some who think of big innovative games are more on a middle-tier budget and not as big as many even think. Splatoon is a recent example of a small team, mid-tier budgeting, high polish, high innovation, high sales.
If people want more new IPs and innovatiion, maybe let's not ask for big budgets that put Nintendo at risk because they need to cast a wider net and be less innovative due to risk. Instead they should make more mid-tier budget games with higher innovation.
Incoming shitstorm because People Will believe the entire NX line up Will be about spin-offs and small projects.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Which is strange because she was tweeting yesterdayand over the weekend about all of the boring uninspiring games the Wii U had.
People have a hard time understanding that one thing existing doesn't mean something else can't. :/
Holy crap did you misinterpret her tweets.
Edit: Bah, image didn't work, hold on.
These titles will supplement their existing ones, their unified development efforts will make porting/creating new titles easier and quicker. Nowhere does she say "this is going to be all nintendo does going forward." She's speaking only about quantity of output, not quality. Not the lack of actual internally-developed full-fledged nintendo games. If that's all nintendo did, you'd get 2-3 titles a year. Now we might get 4 of those, if not more, AND other smaller titles and 3rd party developed spin-offs to supplement the release schedule.
Get out of here with this nonsense.
Image uploaded of what she said today.
It's interesting that you presume to speak for me. Tell me, how did you gain such insight as to my thought process and desires?
I know right.
Nintendo Ninjas got her.
And they used confusion.
Angry Chair
Member
Do you have any exact quotes? If this is exactly what she said, it is incredibly ironic.
Yeah, exactly. Finally someone who understands what i was saying.
It was a generalization, considering that Nintendo making more smaller projects is one of the biggest criticisms to their Wii U output.
The part about smaller projects is on her twitter.
While i agree that Nintendo will most likely increase their collaborations with tp studios even to outsource their IPs, i find strange that she suggests that we should be excited about the NX when - according to her reasoning - the new console will have a library that is... the same as the console that she criticized for years. But with a bigger focus on the kind of projects that was more common on it.
Doubling-down of making more of them doesn't mean that it'll be at the expense of their bigger games. They're not dumb. Besides, they need more experimental new IPs like Splatoon to expand and stay relevant. Let's wait to see what they actually do before panicking. If it seems like those actually are the main focus of the platform, you'll have a point.
Well you pretty strongly emphasized that it wasn't just you, it was all of us. Generalizing is bad.
Also, yours is the first criticism I've ever heard of this sort. Maybe you're projecting?
3d party is never an option. If it happens, we will get another sega the. We all Know Sega is sh*t now, when looking what they bring om the market. I hope we will never need to experience it with Nintendo.
MS will be good to go multiplatform (pc, psx, Nintendo) it will do them good.
James Scott
Banned
Emily said they'll likely continue with smaller projects and 3rd party partnership. Didn't see where she said that the only thing they would be doing is small spin offs
I'm not panicking, i just don't understand her reasoning. I also don't consider Splatoon to be that small, Nintendo compared it to Mario Kart and gave it a giant marketing budget. Its sequel will probably be a true AAA game.
No, not really, but maybe you didn't read many posts about the subject over the years (which isn't a bad thing, you avoided a lot of "3D World isn't a real 3D Mario", post E3 2015 comments and stuff like that).
There is a difference between "the only thing they would be doing is small spin offs" and "doubling down" on those. I'm not against them keep doing those, thought it was clear.
Yeah. All that she's saying is that there will be more of those games. If it's easy to port games from handheld to console, that's a given. Working with third parties for more collaborations is a very good thing as well, since it encourages them to support the platform with their own games (in theory). Even if these smaller games are "the focus" of their strategy, I don't think it's a bad thing unless they suck.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Bring me more collaborations. If it's going to lead us to Nintendo Vs. Capcom.
Haha, I knew people would try to misinterprete her comments into something negative. That's why I don't really post that much in threads in general since NX hype is going to make people crazy.
Haha, I knew people would try to misinterprete her comments into something negative. That's why I don't really post that much in threads in general since NX hype is going to make people crazy.
James Scott
Banned
Smaller games would make sense if they're making some for both the handheld and console. I'd imagine most handheld games would be considered small console games
And that's in no way a bad thing. Games like Captain Todd and Kirby's rainbow curse are pretty good
And that's in no way a bad thing. Games like Captain Todd and Kirby's rainbow curse are pretty good
U must be new indeed.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
These are two equally great games.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Some serious spin doctors are working hard here to (miss)interpret harmless twitter messages.
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I'm more curious to see if having a handheld capable of WiiU-ish graphics (assuming it is capable of that) and the cross development with the new home changes their way of developing portable games. Nintendo usually made portable experiences in a way that they could be enjoyed even for smaller sessions (see the changes they made to Paper Mario or Luigi's Mansion formulas), but i'm not sure if that would be a perfect fit for games that need to work on a home console too. It will be interesting to see how they balance this.
I'm not trying to spin anything, if i misunderstood her tweets, i apologize to her. It's not a problem for me. Anyway i added a follow up note to my original post, so maybe people will stop thinking that i'm trying to downplay certain games, preventively shit on NX, spin Emily's tweets or whatever.
I know. What the hell? I think even she is getting confused about things.