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Epson sucks. Don't buy Epson printers. (advice needed on other brands)
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Cauliflower of Love
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We were using an HP 4P + that we bought in 1990 up until about two years ago.
Yes, 15 years of service out of a laser HP printer. Those thigns used to be beasts.
Yes, 15 years of service out of a laser HP printer. Those thigns used to be beasts.
So, I took it back and picked up the Canon MP240 for $70 instead.
This printer is great, probably the best I've ever used for home. It's faster, the quality is much better, it's not picky when it comes to ink, it supports DUPLEXING (awesome!), and it even looks cool.
This printer is great, probably the best I've ever used for home. It's faster, the quality is much better, it's not picky when it comes to ink, it supports DUPLEXING (awesome!), and it even looks cool.
I very rarely print anything at all anymore. The majority of my printing the last five years was receipts for web purchases and Mapquest maps. I don't need to print either anymore.
The last thing I printed was a parking pass for the Nationals game I went to a couple of months ago. I wasn't sure the printer would even work. :lol
The last thing I printed was a parking pass for the Nationals game I went to a couple of months ago. I wasn't sure the printer would even work. :lol
Cauliflower of Love
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Flo_Evans said:Yeah I love my 9600 pro. 44" of jaw dropping awesome.
I think their commercial printers are built a tad bit better then the $100 consumer models though. :lol
*High five for being a fellow wide formater*
I usually hate HP but the 2600n color laser printer is the bomb. Fully network ready, has FULL CMYK cartridges (many printers when shipped do not), and while it does have a lame limitation on stopping printing when any one cartridge has 2000 pages on it (regardless of how full any of the others are) you can easily turn this off in the settings. Oh and it's about $300. Super cheap for color laser.
Result, I've got about 3200 pages printed with it and the cartridges are still going strong. And I can replace each color individually.
The only drawback is that it is not good at photo printing (I mean it is laser afterall), but I go to the photo lab for that anyway.
Result, I've got about 3200 pages printed with it and the cartridges are still going strong. And I can replace each color individually.
The only drawback is that it is not good at photo printing (I mean it is laser afterall), but I go to the photo lab for that anyway.
I've bought two HP printers in a span of 15 years. I have a HP DJ 600C which STILL works without missing a beat and a 972Cxi which I've had no problems with either. I've seen HP's fail at work a lot (certain models, while others are rock solid), so I'm a proponent of HP printers. There 4000 series of LaserJets are pretty reliable from what I've seen. Their "personal lasers" not so much.
I HATE, HATE, HATE epson and canon. Backwards ass printers those are. Lexmark is cheap shit, and I'd never buy one.
I HATE, HATE, HATE epson and canon. Backwards ass printers those are. Lexmark is cheap shit, and I'd never buy one.
That is why I originally went with the Brother HL-2040N. Their toner seemed markedly cheaper than HP and Samsung's.mr jones said:
I think I got something ridiculous like 2000+ pages out of the first toner cartridge before I had to change it. New one was like 50 bucks online. Whereas for inkjets they never seemed to last as many pages as advertised.
Cauliflower of Love
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Brother printers seperate their toner and drum, so when you do end up needing the drum, you might as well buy a new printer. That's why their toner is a slightly cheaper.
CharlieDigital
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rhfb said:
I second this.
I've had my Brother laser for -- holy shit -- almost 10 years now and it's still going like a champ. Fast as hell to boot. In that timespan, I only used two toner cartridges (I'm on the third one now).
Daffy Duck
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Sorry for the nearly ten year necro but I've just fallen victim to this epson scam of not being able to print a black and white document if a colour is out.
I'm really pissed.
Any recommendations for non scummy manufacturers of printers who don't cripple your printer?
I'm really pissed.
Any recommendations for non scummy manufacturers of printers who don't cripple your printer?
Mato
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My Canon printer/scanner wouldn't even let me scan if the one of the ink cartridges was empty. It just bricked. So now I own a monochrome laser printer and have vowed to never in my life touch anything Canon, EVER. If a company is willing to put immediate profit so much ahead of customer satisfaction they deserve total abandonment and destruction.
I worked for Canon for a time. High level support , including engineering things like Novel and 'nix support. Many HP printers are essentially rebranded Canons. Their toner cartridges are fabricated in Canon factories. Epson basically just tries to reverse engineer Canon printers. All other printer manufacturers pay license fees for Canon intellectual property, regarding everything from how bubblejet printers work at just about every level, to how laser printer components work.
If you really need a printer for some reason, may as well shell out the extra money for a Canon.
If you really need a printer for some reason, may as well shell out the extra money for a Canon.
snake fish
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Get a Laser printer you'll never look back.
I like this one but maybe someone will have a better recommendation.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00MFG58N6/ref=psdcmw_172648_t1_B00MFG57ZK
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Deleted member 59090
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OP just buy cheap off-brand cartridges in bulk and you'll have enough supply to last you longer than the printer itself.
Pretty sure that is standard for printers with multiple color cartridges. You also have them from other brands. The benefit is that you can refill the individual colors.
If you want a inktjet without those kind of limitations then you can buy one with those classic color+black printers.
If you want a inktjet without those kind of limitations then you can buy one with those classic color+black printers.
manueldelalas
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I've had Epson, Lexmark and HP. Out of those 3, HP is the less bad, the other two unusable. I've never seen an Epson printer working as intended a year after bought, I've never seen one working two years after.
My last one was a Brother MFC, 5 years and still going strong, GREAT brand, cheap, ink doesn't use chips, so when I installed the refillable ones, it just works. Fast, quiet, WiFi, etc.
Amazing printer, go Brother.
My last one was a Brother MFC, 5 years and still going strong, GREAT brand, cheap, ink doesn't use chips, so when I installed the refillable ones, it just works. Fast, quiet, WiFi, etc.
Amazing printer, go Brother.
marimorimo
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I have a continuous ink system on a cheap-ish multifunction Brother printer which is great cost-effectiveness wise. Their tanks are huge and aren't a pain in the ass to top up. I use original ink as the ink price isn't as outrageous as individual ink cartridges. I leave it turned on all the time which is great for wifi printing convenience plus it activates the self-cleaning system which is a must for all inkjet printers so the ink doesn't dry up on the printhead.
However, I can't recommend it if you're really looking for quality. The print output is usually washed out and the built-in scanner scans the most horrendous colored scans I've ever seen. Build quality seems poor too. If my printer ever breaks down I'm replacing it with a comparable Epson continuous ink system printer. It's just a bit more expensive than the Brother.
However, I can't recommend it if you're really looking for quality. The print output is usually washed out and the built-in scanner scans the most horrendous colored scans I've ever seen. Build quality seems poor too. If my printer ever breaks down I'm replacing it with a comparable Epson continuous ink system printer. It's just a bit more expensive than the Brother.
uncelestial
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Go color laser. All the ink printers are so awful. Ink is awful.
I really like my Brother; I think they really thought things through with it, especially for the price.
I really like my Brother; I think they really thought things through with it, especially for the price.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Brothers (or at least some of them) have those nice front-loading ink cartridges too. Not sure how that's not a thing that's caught on. Every other printer it's like 5 steps to get to the ink.
PabloBolivar
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Xerox makes the only good printers.
It's amazing how bad HP is now
It's amazing how bad HP is now
kingkaiser
Member
Yep, that's also my experience. Go for that Brother printer!
Well, they may not, but it's a sure way to destroy the printing head (even if you print in black & white and it's a color ink that is missing). I destroyed one myself on a Canon because of this... and replacing a print head is hard.
So, it could simply be a safety measure...
I find the fact that Canon printers refuse to *scan* when the print head is defective FAR MORE annoying (still, it's a semi-pro Canon, and it's 8 years old and perfectly fine).
And it's old, but I found Epson repair services wonderful... My printer broke, I called them:
- they sent someone the next day to take the printer away, asking for the hour I would like, and were there at the exact time
- they repaired the printer in 48h, like promised
- they offered to lend me a printer during those 48h.
Basically, best customer service I've ever dealt with.
I probably should, but the price has always been a hurdle (though isn't laser awful for pictures?)
RainbowIslands
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In my understanding:
It's common for CMYK printers to lock you out because the "K" black is technically not true black (as from RGB + Black) and requires some CMY ink for the black the computer wants. You can try and set your computer to "Print grey scale black" or something to save ink, but I'm not sure if it'll circumvent the issue you're having.
I had a CMYK Brother printer (pretty old), and it locks you out without color, so yea, watch out. Can't recommend a model/brand because it's been a while since I used or bought one. ^.^
uncelestial
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Color lasers are hella affordable now, especially in the long run because ink is the most overpriced shit in the world - one of the most expensive liquids people buy in their normal lives at $13/oz (more than fine champagne).
Also they do photos great IF you get photo paper and use the special loading tray.
Rentahamster
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Get a black and white laser printer and if you ever need color print it at kinkos goddamn printers are a fucking scam and half
Dorsal Axe
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Anyone got any experience with EcoTank? I'm intrigued and have heard good things about them, but it would be nice to hear other opinions.
Yeah. We have a Canon Printer at work and its been amazing with great support from the company.
Thats for business though, don't know about how a consumer one would fair
PabloBolivar
Banned
So true. Never ever buy an inkjet for any reason
Sidewinder
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That's exactly what I do, my Epson C84 is older than this thread and it still works, for the little I print it's more than good enough.
jellies_two
Member
Brother laser printers are where it's at
Unless you want color which I don't think is worth it for home.
Unless you want color which I don't think is worth it for home.
Patrick S.
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I print super rarely, so every time I really need to print something, my ink had dried and I had to spend a lot of money for new HP cartridges, because my HP AIO always has problems with off brand ones, like telling me the heads need to be aligned, but no matter how often I aligned them, the error never goes away.
Now I said fuck this and bought a used Samsung laser printer from 2011 that still has a half full toner, and I even got an off brand, full 2500 page toner along with it. I got it for 25 off eBay classifieds, and the guy still has three more after he had closed his business and is selling them now. I'm so damn happy with my purchase that I might even get another one of them in case mine breaks. Another 25 would give me another printer and another full replacement toner, can't beat that.
I remember people always recommended Brother laser printers, but I heard they have toner DRM now, too?
Now I said fuck this and bought a used Samsung laser printer from 2011 that still has a half full toner, and I even got an off brand, full 2500 page toner along with it. I got it for 25 off eBay classifieds, and the guy still has three more after he had closed his business and is selling them now. I'm so damn happy with my purchase that I might even get another one of them in case mine breaks. Another 25 would give me another printer and another full replacement toner, can't beat that.
I remember people always recommended Brother laser printers, but I heard they have toner DRM now, too?
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