I respect your opinion but I simply do not agree. For me going down without contact is cheating, as it can change the entire course of a match. If a player dives to win a penalty, which is then scored and the game ends one nil, they have cheated to win. The other team have defended perfectly well enough to keep a clean sheet and haven't committed any fouls within the box, yet the other team walks away with a penalty and a win.
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trineo_feo
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So, making a foul in basketball is cheating too?
Making a foul is NOT cheating, it's fucking allowed and are considered a tactical practice. Unless you are being violent. Just like basketball. And if you make too many of them, you are going to be out.
PRETENDING to receive a foul IS cheating.
gutter_trash
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the sport favors this sort of behavior... if people don't like it, than they should lobby for reform
but this is what we got and we will continue seeing dives and shenanigans
but this is what we got and we will continue seeing dives and shenanigans
Yep. It's cheating.
Lobby a reform? This is FIFA we are talking about...
Changes will only happen when all these old farts from FIFA retire or die. Fresh blood is needed in the organization.
Fresh blood in FIFA means Platini, that´s not someone who we can expect to rock the boat in any way.
Gaming the referee is a legitimate part of the sport. I hate it, but it's there and it's not going away. Many will find it hurts them in the long run as you get a reputation and become less likely to win fouls - its dangerous for you and can be a detriment to your team. It's just part of how football is set up.
The referee's judgment is just one element of the game. Protesting to the referee to try and convince him something is a penalty or a foul or a dive can be rewarding. Or it can get you carded. Shittalking is the same (unless it's racist, which is against the rules).
And diving is permitted. If you dive, the referee just lets the game continue (unless no advantage is given to the opposing team, in which case a free kick is given). If you do it too much, you're cautioned. If you keep doing it even on a yellow card, god save you, you're going home.
Cheating is not permitted. Cheating gets you banned from the game for long spells, and in some cases gets you involved with the police and perhaps even in jail. Again, they're just different.
Fair play, Arnie. The word "cheat" has many definitions and uses. I agree with you in a sense, since players will try to gain an unfair advantage in any way possible. That would seem to qualify as "cheating," but for me, there's a distinction.
Some players dive to get away from a potential clash: either they'll ask for a foul or not.
Some players dive because they think they won't make it, so they try to get a foul out of their failure: some of them will act like they're in pain and some won't.
The second is cheating, the first isn't.
Some players dive because they think they won't make it, so they try to get a foul out of their failure: some of them will act like they're in pain and some won't.
The second is cheating, the first isn't.
trineo_feo
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Ok, I see your point about diving, I'll think about it
But my main point is that making a fucking penalty or foul is not cheating lol
Don't think so. The second is unsportsmanlike behavior, and an offense deserving of punishment. It's not cheating, though.
This argument is obviously cyclical an there's a clear divide at the fundamental level over what the word "cheating" means. I'll just agree to disagree and go to bed!
Ape Gone Insane
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England - Ukraine predictions, guys?
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Broder Salsa
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You really think his agent is discussing with him the kind of shirts he should be wearing? Highly doubt there's anything more behind it than Balotelli liking the attention.
France and England.
That´s not Balotelli clamoring for attention...
This is Balotelli wanting attention.
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I wouldn't put it past them but I was thinking more of the constant stream of publicity this specific player receives when I wrote that. I don't think it's beyond belief he's told what to wear though, there's a lot of money at stake based on image and he's clearly holding the corners of the shirt down so it can be read.
That´s not Balotelli clamoring for attention...
This is Balotelli wanting attention.
What an absolutely amazing picture. Saving that for future use.
Broder Salsa
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Maybe not beyond belief, just a completely ungrounded thought. If anything you would think him constantly being controversial would hurt his career much more than him selling a few posters and glove hats.
His girlfriend/wife/whatever follows me, for some reason. She's fit.
It's his wife, Carla. She follows me too! I talk to her from time to time.
Anything makes England go home.
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Controversy is what keeps him in the limelight. Not to mention beyond his utterly moronic antics on the pitch he hasn't managed to do anything severe off it. When he does something stupid it's countered by all the 'jokes' and other 'amusing' antics he pulls, keeping him in a positive public light.
We need to distinguish what we define as a 'dive'. Everyone prepared to enter a discussion about diving should take heed.
Going down under contact when you could have stayed on your feet, in order to win a decision, is not a dive and isn't cheating. It's unsportsmanlike, but it's not cheating.
Going down when there is zero contact, in order to dupe the referee is diving, and it is cheating.
An example of a dive:
Is that cheating
My prediction is that Rooney will run around a lot but otherwise do nothing. England still manage a draw to go through.
John Dunbar
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We need to distinguish what we define as a 'dive'. Everyone prepared to enter a discussion about diving should take heed.
Going down under contact when you could have stayed on your feet, in order to win a decision, is not a dive and isn't cheating. It's unsportsmanlike, but it's not cheating.
Going down when there is zero contact, in order to dupe the referee is diving, and it is cheating.
An example of a dive:
FIFA doesn't make that distinction, though. They have one term, which is Simulation, and it's both exaggerating an injury after a foul, as well as pretending to have been fouled. Both are worth a yellow card.
My dad is Greek and my mother is German. Friday's match should be fun. (I kind of want the Greeks to win so they have something to be happy about.)
Yes. For reasons I don't need to explain. That's different than a player going down through contact whilst two players are challenging for a ball.
Is that cheating
It's murky territory judging how much contact is required to bring a player down, because you have to judge a multitude of factors including balance, momentum, intent and force.
I don't really care what FIFA write down, this is my own distinction, and it's one I can make a black and white assessment of during a match.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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That shit on his shirt is clearly Photoshopped, what's the matter with you people? How do you explain that weird half erased (faded) thing on his left shoulder?
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Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Alright cool, I just wanted to prove if it was real.... sometimes the cost of looking like an idiot in football GAF is a lot cheaper than doing tedious Google image search of Mario Balotelli candid photos.
Wax Free Vanilla
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3 - 0 England
John Dunbar
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But when you start defining the terms to decide what is cheating or not, what FIFA writes down should be the only thing you care about. It's their rules that determine what is cheating and what is not.
Awesome Animals
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This isn't footyGAF. This is EUROfootyGAF. Huuuuge distinction.
Broder Salsa
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It's true. Most of footballGAF actually knows the offside.
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