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DKehoe

Gold Member
It has routinely baffled me that this take keeps popping up. Why does everyone keep saying it's a sign of disrespect when it's clearly one of disappointment and shame.

Must be a lot of first time sports viewers on GAF.
At this point taking off your runners up medal has become such an established thing that not doing so is probably going to lead to you getting stick from some people who decide it must mean you're fine settling for second place. Or say you're the sixth player in line and the five players in front of you have all taken off theirs are you really going to be the first one to keep yours on and be accused of not caring about having lost?
 
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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes

Damn. I had no idea Boris was telling supporters to boo players for kneeling. This explains a lot.

Good point about social media not doing enough to stop the racist abuse. IP ban them. Reporting them to their employers and the english clubs is a great idea actually lol.
 
At this point taking off your runners up medal has become such an established thing that not doing so is probably going to lead to you getting stick from some people who decide it must mean you're fine settling for second place. Or say you're the sixth player in line and the five players in front of you have all taken off theirs are you really going to be the first one to keep yours on and be accused of not caring about having lost?
I remember there was some banter surrounding Fred for not taking his off when United lost to Villareal in the Europa final. He looked over the moon, haha.

Just made myself sad remembering both my teams lost finals on pens.
 

Birdo

Banned
To be honest, the guy that did the stupid run-up and hit the post deserves all the shit he gets (Non-racial). What was he thinking?
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
I remember there was some banter surrounding Fred for not taking his off when United lost to Villareal in the Europa final. He looked over the moon, haha.

Just made myself sad remembering both my teams lost finals on pens.
I'm a United fan as well. So the image of the United players doing the same a couple months ago was flashing before my eyes too.

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DKehoe

Gold Member
To be honest, the guy that did the stupid run-up and hit the post deserves all the shit he gets (Non-racial). What was he thinking?
The stuttered run up has become a common penalty tactic in recent years. The idea is you delay committing to a direction so that you can make the keeper commit first. You look like a dick when it doesn't work but it's not just done for show.
 
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Teslerum

Member
The stuttered run up has become a common penalty tactic in recent years. The idea is you delay committing to a direction so that you can make the keeper commit first. You look like a dick when it doesn't work but it's not just done for show.
And, to be fair, it did work. He went the wrong way.

Makes hitting the post that much worse though.
 
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Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
People earlier in this thread calling that a “tactical foul” lol. Had this been an English player fouling an Italian in this way, we’d never hear the end of the ‘cheating’ claims. Such confirmation bias.

There’s a tendency to find the worst examples of English fan behaviour, or arrogant commentary and tar all fans with the same brush. Complaining about “arrogance” is all the England-haters have left, because they can’t bring themselves to congratulate a team that made it to the final, and held the winners off until penalties. If this was any other team, there would be congratulations and commiserations all around. These people want talk about English bad sportsmanship, but can’t even bring themselves to say congratulations. This says more about the poor sportsmanship of other supporters than anyone else’s.

I’d rather be an England fan, than an England hater. What a sad little world they must live in.
Top post and on point!

I've just watched Southgate talking after the match and the missus and me think that he looked so disheartened by it all that we're hoping he doesnt step down..



He sounds utterly broken watching that, hope he doesnt.. he's been the best thing for the country and sport in general.
 

BadHand

Member
I know where it comes from. The problem is how people get irritated by it, and some of England supporters behavior is deplorable. The amount of english people that I met with the smug attitude and the lack of respect for other national teams is astounding. I respect when your anthem is playing, at least i expect you to do the same when mine plays. i know not everyone is like that, but these behaviors are your country’s responsability.

I’m Portuguese and we are also really passionate about football, but one thing we don’t do is continue beating our chest how Portugal is fucking great and how others are shit. The overconfidence is what annoys me in some English fans and their constant bs of how their league is better than the others.
Anyway, this is nothing serious and I don’t hate England or english people in any way. Always had respect for you guys. But the southern part of Europe is well known for supporting each other during these times, so I’m really happy Italy won.

But hey, I know that some of you will say “not everyone” but i don’t care. If the minority of them is loud enough, it’s your nation’s/national football federation/government job to take care of it. For some reason, we usually don’t like having your football supporters in our country.

I would encourage you to keep better company. Not sure what you expect our country/football federation to do about your personal perception of smugness and overconfidence of some England fans... 'annoying" it may be, 'deplorable' it is not. Anyway, is it really "overconfidence" when you make it to a championship final? What fucking planet am I living on where you need to win the tournament to be able to talk about England in a positive light?

I don't accept that England fans talk about how England "is fucking great and how others are shit", what a load of old tripe. You sound salty as fuck that England made it this far... can't you bring yourself to congratulate England as the runners up of the European Championship?
 

  • Jordan Pickford - 8----- Gianluigi Donnarumma - 7
  • Kyle Walker - 6----- Giovanni Di Lorenzo - 6
  • John Stones - 8----- Leonardo Bonucci - 6 <<< HAHAHAHA, Bonucci a 6, Stones an 8?
  • Harry Maguire - 8----- Giorgio Chiellini - 7 <<< HAHAHAHA, Chiellini a 7, Maguire an 8?
  • Kieran Trippier - 6----- Emerson Palmieri - 4
  • Luke Shaw - 6----- Nicolo Barella - 4
  • Declan Rice - 6----- Jorginho – 7
  • Kalvin Phillips - 6----- Marco Veratti - 7
  • Mason Mount - 4----- Federico Chiesa - 8
  • Raheem Sterling - 6----- Ciro Immobile - 5
  • Harry Kane – 5----- Lorenzo Insigne - 6

  • Bukayo Saka - 10----- Bryan Cristante - 6
  • Jack Grealish - 5----- Dominico Berardi - 6
  • Jordan Henderson - 5----- Federico Bernardeschi - 5
  • Marcus Rashford - N/A----- Andrea Belotti - 5
  • Jadon Sancho - N/A----- Manuel Locatelli - 5

The memes write themselves.
 
He got the ball.
Yes, that's true. As I said, the follow through wasn't great and I have seen similar challenges in the past where a yellow has been changed to a red solely based on the fact it was dangerous play. It's a moot point now of course, but was just surprised VAR didn't even look at it.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member

  • Jordan Pickford - 8----- Gianluigi Donnarumma - 7
  • Kyle Walker - 6----- Giovanni Di Lorenzo - 6
  • John Stones - 8----- Leonardo Bonucci - 6 <<< HAHAHAHA, Bonucci a 6, Stones an 8?
  • Harry Maguire - 8----- Giorgio Chiellini - 7 <<< HAHAHAHA, Chiellini a 7, Maguire an 8?
  • Kieran Trippier - 6----- Emerson Palmieri - 4
  • Luke Shaw - 6----- Nicolo Barella - 4
  • Declan Rice - 6----- Jorginho – 7
  • Kalvin Phillips - 6----- Marco Veratti - 7
  • Mason Mount - 4----- Federico Chiesa - 8
  • Raheem Sterling - 6----- Ciro Immobile - 5
  • Harry Kane – 5----- Lorenzo Insigne - 6

  • Bukayo Saka - 10----- Bryan Cristante - 6
  • Jack Grealish - 5----- Dominico Berardi - 6
  • Jordan Henderson - 5----- Federico Bernardeschi - 5
  • Marcus Rashford - N/A----- Andrea Belotti - 5
  • Jadon Sancho - N/A----- Manuel Locatelli - 5

The memes write themselves.
LOL. For a team that got one shot on net (it scored though) and got dominated by Italy most of the match, I'd give most of their players a 0. The goalie, goal scorer and whomever passed the ball to Shaw deserved a better score.

Goaltender was probably the best player. He also saved 2 penalty shots to give the team a chance.

How does Saka get the top mark of 10 when he did nothing all match when he played and missed the last penalty kick? 0/10.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
LOL. For a team that got one shot on net (it scored though) and got dominated by Italy most of the match, I'd give most of their players a 0. The goalie, goal scorer and whomever passed the ball to Shaw deserved a better score.

Goaltender was probably the best player. He also saved 2 penalty shots to give the team a chance.

How does Saka get the top mark of 10 when he did nothing all match when he played and missed the last penalty kick? 0/10.
Giving most of the players 0/10 is even more ridiculous. You don't go to a penalty shootout if most of your players are playing at a 0/10 level.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Giving most of the players 0/10 is even more ridiculous. You don't go to a penalty shootout if most of your players are playing at a 0/10 level.
How does a team get ratings of 5 or more for every player except one guy with a 4, when the team got dominated, one shot on goal, missed 3 out of 5 penalty kicks, and the Italian team who controlled play and won got worse player ratings?
 

VN1X

Banned
I don't scrutinise anything. I found it a bad gesture and that's what I said. Be disappointed it's a thing, act as if you deserve it more (for who know what reason) it's another. It's not like they showed an indisputable superiority during the match eh. A bit of humbleness and self-conscious it's not a bad thing.l
lol do you even sports bro?

In all seriousness though this sort of stuff happens all the time and, again, I don't blame the players. You might as well be walking around with a sign around your neck that says "Loser". It's not rocket science.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
lol do you even sports bro?

In all seriousness though this sort of stuff happens all the time and, again, I don't blame the players. You might as well be walking around with a sign around your neck that says "Loser". It's not rocket science.
They should just Olympic kind of tournaments gold medal only.

Just about every other sport, league, boxing, car racing etc..... has a clear winner. Yet in Olympics/Pan-Am kinds of competitions there's often a 1st to 3rd ceremony.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
How does a team get ratings of 5 or more for every player except one guy with a 4, when the team got dominated, one shot on goal, missed 3 out of 5 penalty kicks, and the Italian team who controlled play and won got worse player ratings?
My point was that giving most players on the team a 0/10 is ridiculous and hyperbolic. England didn't get dominated. Italy scored 1 goal in 120 minutes.
 
How does a team get ratings of 5 or more for every player except one guy with a 4, when the team got dominated, one shot on goal, missed 3 out of 5 penalty kicks, and the Italian team who controlled play and won got worse player ratings?
Just a misunderstanding of soccer ratings. It's a 1-10 scale, 10 being like insanely good, scored a hattrick or something. Getting a rating under a 4 is pretty poor and requires like several boneheaded mistakes leading to like a 5-0 loss. Yes, they lost. Yes, they didn't have a lot of possession or shots but with one shot the scored was tied in the end. That shot 1 led to a 1-1 draw in regulation.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
Just a misunderstanding of soccer ratings. It's a 1-10 scale, 10 being like insanely good, scored a hattrick or something. Getting a rating under a 4 is pretty poor and requires like several boneheaded mistakes leading to like a 5-0 loss. Yes, they lost. Yes, they didn't have a lot of possession or shots but with one shot the scored was tied in the end. That shot 1 led to a 1-1 draw in regulation.
Just out of interest I looked up player ratings for the 7-1 Germany/Brazil game, one where a team actually got dominated, and found the ones given by The Guardian. No Brazilian, player got worse than a 3. For that matter, no German player managed to get a 10.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Just out of interest I looked up player ratings for the 7-1 Germany/Brazil game, one where a team actually got dominated, and found the ones given by The Guardian. No Brazilian, player got worse than a 3. For that matter, no German player managed to get a 10.
If soccer ratings are trying to skew to video games where no game (no matter how bad) gets a 0-3 player ratings (and even 4s and 5s are rare), then so be it. Its a skewed ratings system.

That Germany/Brazil rating is even worse since that is total domination against Brazil and most players got a 7 or 8. lol

Never the less, how Saka got a 10/10 is absurd. But probably to prop up his spirits. Guy did nothing and even missed the game deciding penalty kick.
 
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DKehoe

Gold Member
If soccer ratings are trying to skew to video games where no game (no matter how bad) gets a 0-3 player ratings (and even 4s and 5s are rare), then so be it. Its a skewed ratings system.

That Germany/Brazil rating is even worse since that is total domination.

Never the less, how Saka got a 10/10 is absurd. But probably to prop up his spirits. Guy did nothing and even missed the game deciding penalty kick.
It's incredibly rare for elite level performers to put in a 0-3/10 performance. It happens but it's rare. None of those England players put in a 0/10 performance.

Did you read why Saka got a 10/10? It was done as a message of support. He's obviously already getting enough negativity hurled at him.
 
If soccer ratings are trying to skew to video games where no game (no matter how bad) gets a 0-3 player ratings (and even 4s and 5s are rare), then so be it. Its a skewed ratings system.

That Germany/Brazil rating is even worse since that is total domination against Brazil and most players got a 7 or 8. lol

Never the less, how Saka got a 10/10 is absurd. But probably to prop up his spirits. Guy did nothing and even missed the game deciding penalty kick.
It's a showing of solidarity. Saying look at the balls on this kid for stepping up to the plate at 19 years of age and taking the potential game deciding kick. Nobody can blame him for what went down.

Don't take the ratings too seriously, Sky will obviously have some bias toward England.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
If soccer ratings are trying to skew to video games where no game (no matter how bad) gets a 0-3 player ratings (and even 4s and 5s are rare), then so be it. Its a skewed ratings system.

That Germany/Brazil rating is even worse since that is total domination against Brazil and most players got a 7 or 8. lol

Never the less, how Saka got a 10/10 is absurd. But probably to prop up his spirits. Guy did nothing and even missed the game deciding penalty kick.

Saka was one of the best players all tournament.

These legends got us to a final, yet they're being abused left, right and centre all over social media.

Real talk, I almost lost my job today. A co-worker said that he thought Saka was dire and didn't deserve to play. I was so angry that I had to go outside and calm down. I was far too close to smacking that prick.

Sorry, but after everything that's happened, I'm more upset at the state of our fans than England losing a football match. Everyone who throws criticism at Sancho, Rashford or Saka should be ashamed of themselves.
 

Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
Watching the news tonight was just a sad affair. Feel utterly gutted for the team and christ, what were some of those fans doing?

Disgusting arseholes, the lot of em.
 

Dr.Morris79

Gold Member
Top post and on point!

I've just watched Southgate talking after the match and the missus and me think that he looked so disheartened by it all that we're hoping he doesnt step down..



He sounds utterly broken watching that, hope he doesnt.. he's been the best thing for the country and sport in general.

Scratch that, he is staying on haha. My hungover brain didnt read enough at the time..
 
Oh well, only about 16 months until we get to go through it all again. In the scorching sun of Qatar.

Whether in November last year looked like....

High - 85F / 29C
Low - 73F / 23C

Imagine if we get freak global warming temps next year. It will be unplayable if it hits the 90s/30s.

It's definitely coming home. To South America. Or maybe an Africa first.
 

reksveks

Member
That's all true but you are not responsible for others or deserve to be associated to others simply by the colour of your skin. I get your sentiment but don't fall down this rabbit hole.
No one is saying that other white people are responsible for the racist people. They are just saying that you have to be
1) be open and honest about the fact that society isn't colour blind (there is a reason that taking names of cv's lead to more equal treatment between races)
2) be aware that sometimes you may have internal biases that you aren't aware (nothing wrong with it but got to be aware of it) and no, this doesn't mean that you always are biased.
3) if you see a racist twat on the street or Internet, you shouldn't just be a bystander. Try to the best of your ability and comfort to intervene.

The thing that Priti Patel's of the worlds wants to do is to pretend that's not an issue.
 

BadHand

Member
Oh well, only about 16 months until we get to go through it all again. In the scorching sun of Qatar.

Whether in November last year looked like....

High - 85F / 29C
Low - 73F / 23C

Imagine if we get freak global warming temps next year. It will be unplayable if it hits the 90s/30s.

It's definitely coming home. To South America. Or maybe an Africa first.

I'm booking in my WC 2022 winners tattoo as we speak.
 
I'm sure you'd be cracking em in night and day with 60.000+ people watching, cheering, calling you all the names under the sun and knowing millions upon millions of people are tuning in on the TV..

I dont think any amount of money would stop you being human.
I probably would have scored it if all I did day in day out is play football. Actually, I would probably have it scored it without that.
 
Top post and on point!

I've just watched Southgate talking after the match and the missus and me think that he looked so disheartened by it all that we're hoping he doesnt step down..



He sounds utterly broken watching that, hope he doesnt.. he's been the best thing for the country and sport in general.

What is this post? He looked sad so he mustn’t step down? He bottled it. He should take his millions and resign. No wonder England never won anything since 66.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Wanted to say hi from Italy to my friend Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem and all the other England supporters.

Didn't like how soft the refree went on that back shirt aggressive pull, but overall I mostly blame Southgate for not playing Sancho and Rashford in this historic match and instead put a lesser player, Saka. Sancho and Rashford are not only good at making things happen out of thin air, but they force themselves through which causes goals, free kicks, and penalties. Overall the pressure was immense on the players as Italy is already enjoying a very decorated record overall.

Still, it was great from those youngsters and they should mature more going forward. A silver medal after 55 years is a good start for brighter future. England has so much talent and with all money and fame going to EPL it'll ensure that the English national team will keep getting a healthy stream of great talents. World Cup is less than a year ahead and I still have high expectations for this team.
 
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