Especially when the session goes as smoothly as yesterday.
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Europa Universalis IV MP Community Thread of Hotjoining for Glory
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Especially when the session goes as smoothly as yesterday.
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For multiplayer, the DLC available is that which the host has purchased and activated, even if you haven't.
That is a cool idea for SP especially. Not sure how much sense it makes in an MP environment where I try to calculate risks vs odds and where players can just play the savegame in between each session to uncover the whole map in SP before others see it in MP. Sounds like an extra hassle to me in an MP environment at least.
Or has anyone another impression?
Really looking forward to it as SP content though.
I can only imagine a one time randomization tbh.
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I'm not sure if I'd approve of the randomization with regards to multiplayer, but certainly I feel the generally improved representation of the colonization process is a good thing. I'd be up for starting over once it is released and one of us who is willing to host has bought it.
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So for us folks remaining, my vote is that we continue to play until Tuesday, Dec 10th, and after that start a new multiplayer session using the new DLC so all our fallen comrades can rejoin at an appropriate juncture. Anyone against?
archnemesis
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I won't start another multiplayer game this year. Once we're done with this I'll play something else. I still haven't put more than five minutes into Crusader Kings II.
I'm fine with this idea.
Actually I played more SP in CKII lately than in EUIV. So maybe a multiplayer for CKII ?
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Well, I have ~350 games in my backlog and I'm getting a PS4 in December so I was planning on playing some Killzone: Shadow Fall or an old adventure game instead.
I want to play through the end as well. I mean its nice to have more people in the game, but its pointless from my point of view if we never end a game. Actually, if we really never end a game, I might not play the next MP game since it means I can never be sure whether the game will run long enough for me to do my plans. We knew it was going to be a month long wait for some people, and its a bit annoying to see people wanting to drop the game.
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Just to make it clear, I'd actually be very happy to keep going with the game as it is now. I only made the suggestion because I'm increasingly conscious of the steady collapse in people.
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Shall we cast a vote, then? I say it purely because if we do decide to restart for the DLC, knowing in advance gives us a better opportunity to organize convenient times and let people know, etc.
archnemesis
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I abstain.
Ditto - I wouldn't start another multiplayer round before the New Year, so am quite happy just carrying on with this one and seeing it through until the end.
Edit - So, if we're doing a vote, then count me in to the 'Continue with the current setup' side.
A vote is a good idea, but we need to know the alternatives. Of course its better to continue with 5 than start over with 2, so I think we should wait a bit and let more people write before we start voting. I also think its a decent idea to write in the OT and see how many players there would be interested in a new game. Last, if we do indeed start over, I volunteer to organize the picking of nations and so on.
Mgoblue201
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The game is only just now becoming really interesting for me (a consequence of playing an isolated eastern Asian nation), so my preference is to continue at least until 1700.
Allll the way through 18xx for me.
This just shows that playing an isolated, eastern, asian country in a multiplayer-game is not really a good idea. You risk that other are tired of the game/want to start over when you finally gets to interact with them 
This was also why I picked Savoy, in between all my complaining, I have had an awesome game with a ton of other humans closeby. All my actions have had to be considered in the light of how my neighbours would respond to it, and a lot of the game have been about bargaining, planning - and sometimes also feeling threatened. This has made every session tense and enjoyable, as you never quite now when its your turn to be on the receiving end of something like Cazzy experienced. This is also why I am still playing, even though I have wanted to start over for a while. It is after all more fun to be a part of a game like this with these interactions, than not
Reasons I want to start over has nothing to do with the dynamics between players anymore (that felt worse when I was very weak earlier). It has to do with 1. We have dropped a lot of players, 2. the game has lost the historical flair that makes Europa Universalis so enjoyable for a history-junkie like myself, and 3. I really regret my choice of country (even though the interactions with the human neighbours have been fun).
This was also why I picked Savoy, in between all my complaining, I have had an awesome game with a ton of other humans closeby. All my actions have had to be considered in the light of how my neighbours would respond to it, and a lot of the game have been about bargaining, planning - and sometimes also feeling threatened. This has made every session tense and enjoyable, as you never quite now when its your turn to be on the receiving end of something like Cazzy experienced. This is also why I am still playing, even though I have wanted to start over for a while. It is after all more fun to be a part of a game like this with these interactions, than not
Reasons I want to start over has nothing to do with the dynamics between players anymore (that felt worse when I was very weak earlier). It has to do with 1. We have dropped a lot of players, 2. the game has lost the historical flair that makes Europa Universalis so enjoyable for a history-junkie like myself, and 3. I really regret my choice of country (even though the interactions with the human neighbours have been fun).
This just shows that playing an isolated, eastern, asian country in a multiplayer-game is not really a good idea. You risk that other are tired of the game/want to start over when you finally gets to interact with them
This was also why I picked Savoy, in between all my complaining, I have had an awesome game with a ton of other humans closeby. All my actions have had to be considered in the light of how my neighbours would respond to it, and a lot of the game have been about bargaining, planning - and sometimes also feeling threatened. This has made every session tense and enjoyable, as you never quite now when its your turn to be on the receiving end of something like Cazzy experienced. This is also why I am still playing, even though I have wanted to start over for a while. It is after all more fun to be a part of a game like this with these interactions, than not
Reasons I want to start over has nothing to do with the dynamics between players anymore (that felt worse when I was very weak earlier). It has to do with 1. We have dropped a lot of players, 2. the game has lost the historical flair that makes Europa Universalis so enjoyable for a history-junkie like myself, and 3. I really regret my choice of country (even though the interactions with the human neighbours have been fun).
It was a pretty great idea because Vija is really fun to play and the build up in itself was/is totally worth it, and who is to say that I didnt enjoy the MP round so far? I had some banter with Hedjaz, Ming and Japan, not to mention it was nice to see how Europe developed under non-AI hands in the same consistent world.
And dropping players + losing historical flair happens over time since the game doesnt run historical and eventually nations/players drop out because they didnt realize how long such a game goes or because their nation just died, and at one point people shouldnt reenter these games because its still a sort of competetive game and reentering nilly-willy will just lead to confusion and frustration for the other players who planned some things for decades and are fucked over by a player entering that spot now.
Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
Next time, perhaps there should be a greater mix of more traditional early game powers. I'd rather have a human-controlled France who can act as power broker and interact in an interesting way with other players than an AI France who's just going to be a dick and ruin things for other people. I think the Paradox office multiplayer shows that you can derive plenty of enjoyment from the second half of the game once long-time alliances solidify and distinct power blocks emerge. The current game has been really chaotic, with many players expanding in unusual ways.
This is what I have said all the time. We need players to control France, the Ottos, GB and so on, and it should be a goal for the next game that these nations get played.
I think we should use the lists I, Kabouter and Crabby made to decide who gets to pick nations first - which probably lets Kingsnake get first shot at picking France. Considering how he has ruined Austria, that shouldnt be to terrifying
I hope you will be my neighbor in the next game.
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From my perspective, I'm pretty happy to keep going as we are now. Now I'm a Protestant Westernized Constitutional Republic with Novgorod's bonus to Republican Tradition, I'm about to tech crazy fast. I did a quick test and managed to have a 6/6/6 ruler for 11 years and only dropped to 88 Republican Tradition thanks to some unlucky events.
I hope you will be my neighbor in the next game.
I hope so to - so that we can continue the peaceful cooperation and coexistance that have characterized our relationship in this game
About the current game, it doesnt really seem like there are too many people ready for a new game, so we will probably continue it for a while still.
Agreed. It's more fun to follow when easy, good, expansion opportunities end and players have to turn on each other. I can only imagine the Neapolitan-Venetian axis will be quite the terror when they realize the best expansion opportunities lie with the high base tax provinces of their European neighbours.
archnemesis
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Yeah, that's definitely what I prefer too. I've invested a lot of resources into long-term investments that aren't going to pay off until later in the game.
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Really annoyed I let France get to the Creek before me. I'm going to vassalize what remains of the Creek and pump France's part full of rebels in an attempt to get most of it back, but meh. Very poor play on my behalf, easily the silliest thing I've done in a while given how long I've bordered Creek and how easy they are to conquer. I just didn't want to go too far over my diplo-limit.
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AAR - 1607 1615- Venice
Description of the actions during the session:
After getting my overextension down and my republican tradition up, I was able to go from -1 stability to +1 without spending too many points. A second after that a random event brought me up to +2.
My plans to invade Lithuania changed when they became a lesser PU partner under France. Unfortunately for Poland that meant that I continued to expand in their direction instead. Muscovy has me set as a rival and I need to increase my land force limit before they decide to invade.
State at the end of the session:
Province Count: Original(8) + 37(4 from Poland this session)
Allies: Bohemia, France, Georgia, Great Britain
At War With: The Netherlands, Creek, The Mamluks, Persia, Swahili
Description of the actions during the session:
After getting my overextension down and my republican tradition up, I was able to go from -1 stability to +1 without spending too many points. A second after that a random event brought me up to +2.
My plans to invade Lithuania changed when they became a lesser PU partner under France. Unfortunately for Poland that meant that I continued to expand in their direction instead. Muscovy has me set as a rival and I need to increase my land force limit before they decide to invade.
State at the end of the session:
Province Count: Original(8) + 37(4 from Poland this session)
Allies: Bohemia, France, Georgia, Great Britain
At War With: The Netherlands, Creek, The Mamluks, Persia, Swahili
I do play like a two years old, don't I? Lol
I know what you mean and I'm checking that regularly. I have a regency council now. Which doesn't help.
I have a good reason for the diplo-exuberance, let's see if it works out.
Ouch, another disastrous session for me.
Started off badly when I missed last session and found out that the AI had gotten itself into an unwinnable war (which it proceded to unwin) and sunk my prestige further into the minus figures, meaning that when my ruler died the PU with Sweden ended up broken once again.
Muscowy then dissolved the alliance I had with them, and the AI had previously cancelled my alliance with Crab (as it seems to do either time one of us misses a session).
I was starting to gear up to go to war with Sweden to restore the PU, but days before I was set to declare war, Venice declared upon me and I was pretty much doomed from that point on - they brought in Georgia, France, Lithuania, Bohemia, so I didn't have a hope in hell. Ended up giving away yet another 4 provinces to Venice.
Whilst I was getting trashed by 4 of the biggest countries in Europe, Brandenburg decided they would declare war on me and bring Sweden along for the ride, so am now sitting in an ongoing war with them. Chances are that'll be another 2/3 provinces I'll end up giving away.
Not really sure where it's possible to go from here - I'm nowhere near an experienced enough player to dig myself out of the mess I'm in, and I seem to be shedding provinces left, right and centre. I do want to continue, but it's looking like a less and less viable proposition with each passing session. At this point I'm not even sure it's worth salvaging!
Started off badly when I missed last session and found out that the AI had gotten itself into an unwinnable war (which it proceded to unwin) and sunk my prestige further into the minus figures, meaning that when my ruler died the PU with Sweden ended up broken once again.
Muscowy then dissolved the alliance I had with them, and the AI had previously cancelled my alliance with Crab (as it seems to do either time one of us misses a session).
I was starting to gear up to go to war with Sweden to restore the PU, but days before I was set to declare war, Venice declared upon me and I was pretty much doomed from that point on - they brought in Georgia, France, Lithuania, Bohemia, so I didn't have a hope in hell. Ended up giving away yet another 4 provinces to Venice.
Whilst I was getting trashed by 4 of the biggest countries in Europe, Brandenburg decided they would declare war on me and bring Sweden along for the ride, so am now sitting in an ongoing war with them. Chances are that'll be another 2/3 provinces I'll end up giving away.
Not really sure where it's possible to go from here - I'm nowhere near an experienced enough player to dig myself out of the mess I'm in, and I seem to be shedding provinces left, right and centre. I do want to continue, but it's looking like a less and less viable proposition with each passing session. At this point I'm not even sure it's worth salvaging!
That's not what I said, I just figured it was a bit excessive and you might not have noticed you went over the limit by quite that much. I suppose having all those allies helps you out a lot though, because if you were on your own you'd probably suffer the same fate as Poland since your tech is behind Swahili's.
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Unfortunately, I think I'll have to miss this Sunday's session, unless anyone is up for a time change - I was maybe hoping now we're down in numbers we can be a bit more flexible, but it's cool if we're not.
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