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Europa Universalis IV |OT| A Game of Blobs
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archnemesis
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I propose we start on Monday and play between 11 PM and midnight CEST (10PM to 11 PM BST).
I propose we start on Monday and play between 11 PM and midnight CEST (10PM to 11 PM BST).
Awesome, wanted to make the graphic tomorrow. Could you add my (and Mkenyons) times too? Handy graphic. 11-12 PM sounds perfect for me. Sucks a bit for the US Gaffers, but they might need to throw up a second MP round then (which was expected anyway).
I'll also contact every participant for the EU round so that everyone votes for 3 countries he would a) play himself and b) be fine with others playing and then do a random draw which one people get. Not sure we might be able to get started on monday, but surely next week and then every 2 days.
archnemesis
Member
Oops, I completely missed that. Here's an updated version. Time zones are tricky especially during summer. Let me know if I messed something up.
Chance Hale
Member
Ugh well I bought it as I found the "Extreme"
really?
Edit: LOL, steam seems to be out of keys for the game. Oh well, not playing tonight. I need to sleep anyway I suppose
I started up a game with Inca today. I've played up to 1570's so far and while most of the Americas is still terra incognita. From what I can see, NA nor the northern coast of South America seem to be colonized yet. I'm slowly getting ready, gonna hit adm 4 soon so I can start colonizing nearby provinces.
Rug Monkey
Member
I realised pretty quickly that the euro provinces were lost ... there's no way you can deal with French 20 stacks, and your troops in Europe are really draining your finances .. let France take what it wants and you can keep Calais when they sue for peace, and use the 5 year truce to diplomatically secure it, maybe expanding into Flanders/Ghent/Hainault/Antwerp if they get weak and their ally chain isn't too scary.
Don't be tempted by Ireland it will split your forces, use it for easy missions re Marriage and alliances.
Scotland is where it's at ...
Tips...
keep your navy stronger than the French, they can't invade if you sink them first, they usually don't even try.
get the religious ideas group 2nd or 3rd, it makes life so much easier with rebels and heretics and the reformation
when exploring and expanding think about Norway ... the Orkney - Shetland - Faroes - Iceland - Canada route into Chesapeake bay has no real competition but you won't be able to do the final jump until you increase your range
or ... get fleet basing rights from the Cape Verde islands to jump to S. America but you will be competing with Seville/Spain, Portugal and the Big Blue Blob ...
Might want to also get some house rules posted, though I don't think you would need nearly as many as you did for EU3.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Win the hundred years war and it's practically game won. Need someone punished on the continent? declare war and leave it to your french lackey. The fact you start off allied to portugal just doubles their pain.
It's terrifying to think how different history would have been if Henry V didn't die of the shits.
Any suggestions for those? We might as well discuss that first before contacting anyone.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
I finally got my Bizantium campaign running but I spent too much time on the Ottoman and didn't check how the mameluks were doing. They now control half of Anatolia, I created a coalition together with the Timurids, Oman and several minor, but they still succeed into kicking my ass their massive calvalry kill my armies, my manpower is currently around 209, I've retreated on the other side of the bosphorus and I'm waiting I'm almost tempted to ditch my game.
I'm begining to get a grasp of the trading system and so far, I like it. More complex than the previous one, and when steering trade I have the impression of playing with the signal boxes in Railroad tycoon.
their massive calvalry kill my armies, my manpower is currently around 209, I've retreated on the other side of the bosphorus and I'm waiting I'm almost tempted to ditch my game.I'm begining to get a grasp of the trading system and so far, I like it. More complex than the previous one, and when steering trade I have the impression of playing with the signal boxes in Railroad tycoon.
Hmmm, aside from availability-related rules, I'd like it if there was a rule against violating a truce. Also maybe a rule against fighting wars together against another player but declaring separately so more can be demanded.
As far as country selection goes, I don't really want to pick countries other people can play given that there are so many, besides, I'm fine with people playing whatever, even the big ones. There are so many human players in this MP game that being France or Castille just makes you a big target for other players, since you're an immediate direct threat to other players in Western Europe. Plus, some of the more prominent nations are a lot more fun to play due to historical flavour and what not, and I wouldn't want people to be stuck with some generic nation they don't want to play as. Just when assigning countries, let's try not to get people to interfere *too* much with each other immediately. So not two people playing as different Japanese daimyos for instance.
Yeah, the truce thing sounds reasonable, otherwise players can just pick off another player quickly in another succession war. Not sure how to properly judge the second suggestion though as there are instances where you might see a player going to war and then you deciding to jump in because he is in a war now. Maybe thats just something we need to trust others with that they wont abuse this because of the reasoning you mentioned.
The problem with that is how we decide on the countries then, since I dont want anyone to pick a country based on what someone else chose. Maybe we could do a blind choice, with everyone writing down his 3 preferred nations and sending them to me in PM. First come, first serve and if a nation would be interfering too much with someone else, I could just take their 2nd choice etc. I'd choose my country after half of all the players chose theirs, so I cant just take dips on a country of my choice immediately either. Does that sound fair?
Sounds fair to me.
archnemesis
Member
There might be a better way, but I usually just take a look at my neighbors' opinions about me in the diplomacy screen.
Alright, I'll put up the next Indie thread, then I'll send PMs around.
Edit: Btw, what is your opinion on diplomacy? Should we stick strictly to ingame diplomacy means with alliances and coalitions or is thread talk diplomacy fair game (As in "if you cross that border/wage that war, I will declare war, etc). That stuff could make the diplomacy between players even more interesting and I'd love to try that, but maybe it would just be too messy for our first game, no idea.
I think diplomacy via forums/ingame chat is the way to go, that's what makes MP more interesting than SP obviously.
There is no universal level for that, since the effects are different for each country affected. If you get an agressive expansion penalty, it is immediately transformed into -X to specific countries (which drops yearly). As archnemesis said, you can check those individually for each country via the diplomacy tooltip.
Only openly discussed diplomacy or PMs/private chats too? I remember reading that some MP rounds had a no-privat-diplomacy rule since it makes planning less predictable and it could also a bit too hardcore for newcomers to the game since they are way less likely to use the options of diplomacy that they dont see/know/can learn from.
I think you can't prevent plotting anyway if people really want to use it, so might as well allow it so that at least everyone can do it.
Okay, sounds good to me then. I guess we'll switch over for the MP talk to a dedicated MP community thread? Or do we want to keep it here as more or less... MP impressions?
Everyone that can participate between 11 PM and midnight CET, yeah. A US MP round could just use the same rules we came up with though, I'll write a PM to every player who wouldnt be able to participate based on the schedule later and suggest someone taking the reigns for that MP round as well.
Yeah, makes sense, thanks! That value ts a bit too abstract, it's not clear if it's cumulative into one single value or not.
archnemesis
Member
It'd be great if we could get even more people to join the multiplayer game. Even complete beginners are welcome.
We are 9 so far, which isnt too bad actually.
Are you goings playing right now? Add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/foda5002/home
TiredGamer
Member
Check the official Paradox forums, there are three FAQs on trading. I'd link them, but the forums require you sign up, etc. using your CD key for the game in order to access them.
The EU group starts next tuesday, did you write your time schedule?
I may be able to play after 22:30 CET on tuesdays and would be able to go until 1:30 CET, but I don't think you guys would play for that long
Edit: I'm not from Europe, though. Would that be a problem?
I may be able to play after 22:30 CET on tuesdays and would be able to go until 1:30 CET, but I don't think you guys would play for that long
Edit: I'm not from Europe, though. Would that be a problem?
We'll play on tuesday, thursday and saturday from 11pm CET to midnight, so if that is not an issue for you, you are more than welcome. Otherwise, you could also wait or start with us and switch over to the US round once they get going. Your choice! If you cant make it on any of those days but still participate, the AI will play for you however.
Right. So in an earlier post in this thread I talked about how this is my first time playing an EU game and so on. The successful conquest of scandinavia.
Shit was alright for a long time until .. France decided to utterly destroy me. I though I had a decent navy. Nope. I was gone as the first thing with their 60+ stacks of ships. Fair enough I figure because they didn't seem interested in actually landing any soldiers so the biggest issue where the trade port blockades.
Until they look to the west and found my colonies. BAM 2 x 20 unit stacks of soldiers at colonies that only had a 5 stack unit to suppress the natives whenever they raise against me. Despite having a save game a couple of years before the french army arrives (they start with just one stack of 20 at first) I was only able to make myself a stack of 18 units resulting in getting utterly destroy.. again. So no navy and the colonization having gone to shit now I've decided not to bother more for now.
Rome 2 will be released soon and when I'm tired of that I'll pay EU4 another visit and start over with Denmark, again.
The best thing is that even though I eventually got my ass handed to me I've learned a lot and while there's still a long wait yet I feel as if the game is now accessible to me.
Shit was alright for a long time until .. France decided to utterly destroy me. I though I had a decent navy. Nope. I was gone as the first thing with their 60+ stacks of ships. Fair enough I figure because they didn't seem interested in actually landing any soldiers so the biggest issue where the trade port blockades.
Until they look to the west and found my colonies. BAM 2 x 20 unit stacks of soldiers at colonies that only had a 5 stack unit to suppress the natives whenever they raise against me. Despite having a save game a couple of years before the french army arrives (they start with just one stack of 20 at first) I was only able to make myself a stack of 18 units resulting in getting utterly destroy.. again. So no navy and the colonization having gone to shit now I've decided not to bother more for now.
Rome 2 will be released soon and when I'm tired of that I'll pay EU4 another visit and start over with Denmark, again.
The best thing is that even though I eventually got my ass handed to me I've learned a lot and while there's still a long wait yet I feel as if the game is now accessible to me.
Rug Monkey
Member
Might be worth starting a Steam group and we all join that?
Good idea too.
I invited the EU players who already contacted me on Steam to the EU MP group (except archnemesis who needs to add me on steam first). That group should be useful for the chatroom, announcements and reminders. Might as well have it set up.