What ever happened toPen Pen!?
Maybe he just didn't live all the way through the 14 years 
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She's still inside Eva-01.
Replicant said:
Eva-07 and 10-12 are probably just Evas that came and went during the timeskip. WILLE's mission is to destroy Evas, so they've probably destroyed a few already. At one point Misato calls Mark 09 "the champion" which I guess would imply that 09 has been the Eva they haven't been able to kill yet.
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The implication I got from Shinji getting Touji's shirt is that Touji was a NERV pilot during the fourteen year period, died, and now they're recycling his clothes.
Jeez. So much shit is ambiguous. I usually like ambiguity but there is such a discontinuity between 2.22 and 3.33 is ridiculous.
I don't think that scene was particularly ambiguous...
MaddenNFL64
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I'm a huge fan, and I dread watching this. Someone tell me positives. Lots of positives.
Spoiler tag for the rest of course, but get this trepidation out of me please!
Spoiler tag for the rest of course, but get this trepidation out of me please!
It was pretty sad.
polyh3dron
Banned
Saw it last night.
It felt like an info episode overall. Felt quite short too. Visually, some parts are stunning, other parts feel too 3d in a cheap way.
Didn't mind it too much, I hope it'll fit in as a nice piece once Final is out. Sometimes I like movies/episodes more after the full set is out.
For me, easily: 2.22>1.11>3.33
It felt like an info episode overall. Felt quite short too. Visually, some parts are stunning, other parts feel too 3d in a cheap way.
Didn't mind it too much, I hope it'll fit in as a nice piece once Final is out. Sometimes I like movies/episodes more after the full set is out.
For me, easily: 2.22>1.11>3.33
Just saw this.
It's not Evangelion unless it's a mind fuck. I went into this balls deep, no prior knowledge of what it will contain storywise aside from watching a single teaser trailer.
Overall if you are an Eva fan then you should be watching this anyway and you should be watching the 4th movie as well. This is what it's all about... the mind fuck, the techno babble, the emo Shinji, the Judeo-Christian mythology, the conspiracies, world wide apocalypse, mecha action, red shit everywhere... all the staples are present. While it's probably the worst of the 3 movies it's still worth a watch and an interesting experience to say the least and will probably get you hyped for the 4th movie.
It's not Evangelion unless it's a mind fuck. I went into this balls deep, no prior knowledge of what it will contain storywise aside from watching a single teaser trailer.
Was sort of shocked at the whole aftermath situation of Eva 2.22 with the time skip. I don't really know what purpose the 14 year time skip had aside from shock value. For an Evangelion movie the story was actually fairly straightforward and they basically dropped a lot of info bombs (like that whole chess game scene where Shinji learns about his mother... that's more info on the character and Rei than previously shown in the series). Shinji is back to bitch ass emo mode, no balls yet again and is duped into almost starting another Impact.
3.33 seems to set the stage for the 4th movie. Nothing really happens aside from I guess the death of the 13th angel which apparently is part of the Human Instrumentality project and the next Impact.... they made a huge deal about the time skip but never really filled in the gaps or the repercussions of it... it could've been 1 year or it could've been 20 years not much of a difference. There were some eye popping scenes and action as well as some breathtaking scenery.. as expected from this movies. The characters took a hit though due to the time skip and a lot of continuity elements dropped for it. You will probably end up with more questions after the movie than going into it... I guess that is standard Evangelion.
Also what the fuck happened to all the footage from the trailer of this movie? Jesus christ I felt fucking trolled. None of that shit was in this movie, I even went back to see it again. Maybe that was footage for the 4th movie but that seems even less likely given how the events turned out in this movie. Anno is a masterful troll...
3.33 seems to set the stage for the 4th movie. Nothing really happens aside from I guess the death of the 13th angel which apparently is part of the Human Instrumentality project and the next Impact.... they made a huge deal about the time skip but never really filled in the gaps or the repercussions of it... it could've been 1 year or it could've been 20 years not much of a difference. There were some eye popping scenes and action as well as some breathtaking scenery.. as expected from this movies. The characters took a hit though due to the time skip and a lot of continuity elements dropped for it. You will probably end up with more questions after the movie than going into it... I guess that is standard Evangelion.
Also what the fuck happened to all the footage from the trailer of this movie? Jesus christ I felt fucking trolled. None of that shit was in this movie, I even went back to see it again. Maybe that was footage for the 4th movie but that seems even less likely given how the events turned out in this movie. Anno is a masterful troll...
Overall if you are an Eva fan then you should be watching this anyway and you should be watching the 4th movie as well. This is what it's all about... the mind fuck, the techno babble, the emo Shinji, the Judeo-Christian mythology, the conspiracies, world wide apocalypse, mecha action, red shit everywhere... all the staples are present. While it's probably the worst of the 3 movies it's still worth a watch and an interesting experience to say the least and will probably get you hyped for the 4th movie.
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- The new design for the Eva's feet is totally awesome.
- Much less abuse of close ups compared to the previous films (which gives a grea sense of scale)
- Great use of the color red
- Best Asuka yet
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
What ever happened toWhat ever happened toPen Pen!?
Pen Pen
I will add. Spoilers of course:
*EVA 02 going BEAST MODE.
*An EVA with 4 arms and 2 pilots.
*A giant ship powered by EVA 01 which looks cool.
*More images/scenes of Shinji's mother.
*Gendo's Cyclops visor.
*As always... godly visuals, music and action. It's a treat for your senses.
*An EVA with 4 arms and 2 pilots.
*A giant ship powered by EVA 01 which looks cool.
*More images/scenes of Shinji's mother.
*Gendo's Cyclops visor.
*As always... godly visuals, music and action. It's a treat for your senses.
Re: purpose.
They're intentionally jumping right to the endgame, because Rebuild is not a "reimagining" or a reboot -it's a continuation (one that will likely more have a more conclusive ending.)
I already know this is a sequel, I knew this when I saw the red oceans and stuff in the first 2 movies. I just think the time skip was heavily forced and they didn't fill in the gaps well enough for it to have a good impact or to better explain the characters. Also what the fuck is up with the trailer for this movie? Where did the footage for that go? Man what a legendary troll... Anno at his finest.
My top 5 tracks from Eva 3.0's OST
1. God's Gift
2. From Beethoven 9
3. God's Message
4. Kindred Spirits (Theme Q)
5. The Wrath of God in All its Fury
1. God's Gift
2. From Beethoven 9
3. God's Message
4. Kindred Spirits (Theme Q)
5. The Wrath of God in All its Fury
anarchy_panty
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I just need someone to blame for this disaster. Anno? Tsurumaki? Capitalism?
Someone, anyone, please give me a scapegoat.
Someone, anyone, please give me a scapegoat.
I think they should have just gone with a "new" series instead of the movies. Would allow them to flesh out the new world.
There was no footage for it. These previews aren't clips made from existing footage, they're made specifically with the rest of the movie (2.0 preview was made with 1.0, 3.0 preview was made with 2.0, etc). The previews are made before the movies they're teasing are even put into production, which is why it won't always line up with the end result.
Misato sends him away to Hikari's when she goes to NERV HQ for the last time. Probably ended up blown up to bits like everybody else.
Remember guys and gals there's a spiler thread.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500212
No need to make this a CIA report.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500212
No need to make this a CIA report.
AHAHAHAHA. That's what I thought too. Sad. I thought
"Geez, are they that poor?"
Plot twist,
that red headless eva stuck in the apartment building was Pen Pen transformed.
I wish.
Everyone knows how big of a troll Anno is. You can't help but admire the level of trolling on display in 3.33
Yeah, I love me some subversion but I don't think the director being famous for shitting around excuses the fact that the movie is kinda crap. I say that as someone who actually enjoyed watching 3.33, but the plot, pacing and character problems hold it back massively, even more when you consider the heights Evangelion has achieved. It's great that Anno manages to make people go wtf, but I'd expect him to do it while coming up with better material.
patrickthehedgehog
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In all honesty knowing that the two final movies were originally meant to be shown together I don't believe it's totally unreasonable to give him one more chance with the release of Final. I didn't like 3.0. That doesn't negate my love for the original series / EOE. Anno will never be something as simple as a "hack".
Jex
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I think it's worth pointing out that Anno isn't even the director of 3.0, or 2.0, or 1.0. He's just the 'chief director', while the actual directors are Kazuya Tsurumaki, Mahiro Maeda, Masayuki. There were also seven people who storyboarded the movie, three of which were the main directors and none of which were Anno. This isn't just the work of one man, even if he did pen the screenplay.
This is not like how it was back with End of Evangelion where Anno was one of the two directors and one of the two storyboarders. It's far less his pure, unfiltered vision because he's clearly sitting quite far back from the work compared to how he used to operate. I don't know the reason for this. Is it because he's tired? Made enough money? Or perhaps it is because, less cynically, he trusts his staff to do a good job? Either way, I think it's important to consider the bigger picture here in terms of production.
You know, when people (myself included) complained that Mari was a very poorly fleshed out character in the counter-argument was that she'd get more development in the second movie - then the third movie - look where we are now. It seems foolish to assume that the final movie will fix all the problems the story has at this point when we know so little about it.
patrickthehedgehog
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I'm totally open to admitting Rebuild as a whole, fails, but not until I've seen it all. Especially after this radical change in 3.33. I thought 2.22 was pretty fantastic. I just hate how people shit all over Anno over things like the religious symbolism and weird plot points. I love Eva for the characters. Sadly, that's been rebuild's weakest element.
She was introduced in the second movie...
I see, I wasn't aware of the differences. I'd love to get a post mortem of the planning and production process after the movies are done with.
Even if he isn't shouldering most of it I stand by my point though. I've seen a lot of "the movie was an amazing troll!" and that's all good as long as the production is able to stand on its own legs besides being a bucket full of meta-references and "lol the fans will totally flip" moments.
The funny thing is that the movie works as a spectacle for the senses to me, I really like the visuals (CG included), the music, and so on, but I keep thinking of what it could have been with the same concepts but better developed. I think in time I'll accept it for what it is, faults and all. Who knows how 4.0 will affect our perception in hindsight, I definitely have my expectations lowered as far as some elements go.
Jex
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Of course. My brain has failed me, not for the first time either.
Owlowiscious
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dammit, I finally got to see this and I can finally click this thread and not have to tip toe around any forum/thread/site anime related in fear of spoilers.
I bet at some point someone said something along these lines at one of the creative meetings:
"So get this, for the third movie the trick will be that instead of depression, we'll channel our confusion
with the world that surrounds us into the story. That should get everyones panties in a bunch!"
gg Anno, or whoever.
Though, everything will probably be forgiven after the last movie, when it will make more sense. Probably.
"So get this, for the third movie the trick will be that instead of depression, we'll channel our confusion
with the world that surrounds us into the story. That should get everyones panties in a bunch!"
gg Anno, or whoever.
Though, everything will probably be forgiven after the last movie, when it will make more sense. Probably.
DarknessTear
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Nice to know I'm not the only one confused. And I watched this after seeing the first two movies in a row. Here is my brain while watching 3.33:
First 25 minutes: Ooh, pretty...
Next 20: Getting kinda slow, here...
Next 30: ?????
Rest of the movie: ?????????????????????????????????
Next 20: Getting kinda slow, here...
Next 30: ?????
Rest of the movie: ?????????????????????????????????
Just watched this.
This film is so close to being a visual masterpiece. The use of colour is often stunning, as is the art direction. The level of detail is stunning, finally living up to the promise of the Rebuild series. Unfortunately it's a bit lacking in cohesiveness at times, surely a result of the three director approach. The action scenes are also sadly shot in the Michael Bay style, all close-up and jumbled to denote 'intensity', but with no sense of spacial geography. It's a far cry from the MP-EVA battle in The End of Evangelion, or even the more interesting fight sequences in the series.
Sadly, the focus on sound and fury is not limited to the action scenes. It's all very loud, all the time. There's a constant barrage of exposition and shock revelations, given so little breathing room as to rob them of power. The problem of condensing a world so thick with detail (legitimate world-building or just technobabble) into the movie format has always hindered the Rebuild series, and it's never been worse than here. The entire film is exposition. And it's not even handled well; the film hinges on a Macguffin introduced in the third act that nobody but a side character understands. There is no drama in that.
There's flashes of the humanity that made Eva special every now and again, but they're not given the breathing space to register as they should. Where the TV series married these moments to the spectacle, here they are totally drowned out. Kudos to Anno and the team for displaying that they still have it when it comes to surreal nightmare imagery on a grand scale, though.
Once this Rebuild is out of the way and Anno's studio is thoroughly moneyed up, I pray that he gets back to something more hands-on and personal. It's clear that Evangelion's role as a means of deep self-expression was over for him 15 years ago.
This film is so close to being a visual masterpiece. The use of colour is often stunning, as is the art direction. The level of detail is stunning, finally living up to the promise of the Rebuild series. Unfortunately it's a bit lacking in cohesiveness at times, surely a result of the three director approach. The action scenes are also sadly shot in the Michael Bay style, all close-up and jumbled to denote 'intensity', but with no sense of spacial geography. It's a far cry from the MP-EVA battle in The End of Evangelion, or even the more interesting fight sequences in the series.
Sadly, the focus on sound and fury is not limited to the action scenes. It's all very loud, all the time. There's a constant barrage of exposition and shock revelations, given so little breathing room as to rob them of power. The problem of condensing a world so thick with detail (legitimate world-building or just technobabble) into the movie format has always hindered the Rebuild series, and it's never been worse than here. The entire film is exposition. And it's not even handled well; the film hinges on a Macguffin introduced in the third act that nobody but a side character understands. There is no drama in that.
There's flashes of the humanity that made Eva special every now and again, but they're not given the breathing space to register as they should. Where the TV series married these moments to the spectacle, here they are totally drowned out. Kudos to Anno and the team for displaying that they still have it when it comes to surreal nightmare imagery on a grand scale, though.
Once this Rebuild is out of the way and Anno's studio is thoroughly moneyed up, I pray that he gets back to something more hands-on and personal. It's clear that Evangelion's role as a means of deep self-expression was over for him 15 years ago.
patrickthehedgehog
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Well said. The red color scheme really sticks with you all the way up to the red credits sequence (usually rainbow). It's a shame Funimation will probably replace them like they did on the past two releases.
It was good to see the old Eva red and blue everything in effect.
I will say that it was brave of Anno to make such a weird and dark film instead of a Toyinetic funtime ride. Going more light and digestible in the vein of 2.0 would be the best course for chasing that merch money. Instead, this is probably the most relentlessly grim box office smash since The Dark Knight.
I will say that it was brave of Anno to make such a weird and dark film instead of a Toyinetic funtime ride. Going more light and digestible in the vein of 2.0 would be the best course for chasing that merch money. Instead, this is probably the most relentlessly grim box office smash since The Dark Knight.
Good post, agreed with all your points.
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