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Evangelion 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo |OT| :Q

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Jex

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Am I reading this right? All the mecha animation is CG? What happened to Evangelion man. This is what happens when you don't complain about bad CG Angels.

Also, lol at those spoilers.
 
Am I reading this right? All the mecha animation is CG? What happened to Evangelion man. This is what happens when you don't complain about bad CG Angels.

Also, lol at those spoilers.


It's definitely not all CG.

As somebody who hates the original series but digs the new films, 3.0 was a good time. A lot to take in though.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
Am I reading this right? All the mecha animation is CG? What happened to Evangelion man. This is what happens when you don't complain about bad CG Angels.

Also, lol at those spoilers.
They're all CG? I thought everyone complained about bad CG everything on the previous films. :|

It's definitely not all CG.

As somebody who hates the original series but digs the new films, 3.0 was a good time. A lot to take in though.
The wait's going to suck.
 

duckroll

Member
They're all CG? I thought everyone complained about bad CG everything on the previous films. :|

No, it's actually mostly positive. There are very vocal minorities which consider the CG in the movies bad, and go on and on about the death of traditional animation like a broken record.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Yeah, for all my complaints about the use of CGI in the movies it's actually well-done CGI.

Fake edit: waiting for the movie has made me check out the PS2 game "secret information"s and lol this shit is bananaz.
 

Jex

Member
I was just seeking to clarify the scope of the CG usage in the film, because in the trailer Asuka's Unit-2 was CG and I was wondering if the rest were as well. That's all!
 

Jackpot

Banned
Where did it come from though? If this is the 1st 6 minutes, it's like they're skipping a huge amount of story to get to that point from the state of Unit 01 in Eva 2.0.

um, it's called a cold open. fairly common movie technique. it'll get explained after the fact.
 

/XX/

Member
What's the track that gets rearranged in 2.0?
Many were! Below are all the BGM theme names from Evangelion: 2.0, as seen on the original sound track release:

『ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:破』Blu-ray&DVD said:
■収録曲
DISC1
EVANGELION:2.0 YOU CAN (NOT) ADVANCE.
original sound track

01. 2EM01_B01"At The Very Beginning"
02. 2EM03_0908
03. 2EM04_E4
04. 2EM05_KK_B09
05. 2EM06_KK_B16
06. 2EM07_KK_B09_InDoor
07. 2EM08_B17
08. 2EM09_YAMASHITA
09. 2EM10_KK_C01_AddGuit
10. 2EM11_B16
11. 2EM12_KK_A09
12. 2EM13_EM20_Alterna
13. 2EM14_EM10C
14. 2EM15_0938"Destiny"
15. 2EM16_0944"Fate"
16. 2EM17_KK_A08
17. 2EM18_KK_C01
18. 2EM19_ソル:モーツァルトの主題による変奏曲(劇中曲)
19. 2EM20_KK_A09_Kuriya
20. 2EM21_KK_C01_Str+AcGuit
21. 2EM22_KK_A08_Orche
22. 2EM25_Piano_Nu
23. 2EM26_EM05B
24. 2EM28_EM13
25. 2EM29_E5
26. 今日の日はさようなら
27. 2EM31_0948"In My Spirit"
28. 2EM32_0910"Keep Your Head Above The Mayhem"
29. 2EM33_0902"The Final Decision We All Must Take"
30. 2EM34_E13
31. 2EM35_Nu02"Carnage"
32. 2EM36_E16
33. 翼をください
34. 2EM38_F02

On that list, we have the annotations for each where "2EM" is 'Second Evangelion Movie' followed by a number that denotes the order of the composition as it appears on the film. After the underscore and talking about the part of the alphanumeric code I can understand, it figures the original source work of the composition re-arranged, with "KK" signaling tracks from His and Her Circumstances or 'KareKano' (while "EM" makes reference to the 'First Evangelion Movie', and "E" to an old series' theme rescued for this film but not for the previous one). "F" is final or fin. "A","B" and "C" mark different variations inside each hierarchy but, as in the case of His and Her Circumstances compositions, this can correspond to the exact same variation letter used for the original track, as Mr. Sagisu has been using this type of nomenclature since time and time ago.

For example; the track 19 called '2EM20_KK_A09_Kuriya' is based on 'KareKano's 'ichi-go ichi-e' (&#19968;&#26399;&#19968;&#20250;<A-9>, as I mentioned the same variation it figures on one OST of 'KareKano'), this is an expression translated habitually on this context as 'Treasure Every Moment'.

It is interesting to say that apparently those same tracks from His and Her Circumstances re-used were supposed to be on the original Neon Genesis Evangelion series, but it was decided not to include them. I don't know why.

I actually find the real spoilers really underwhelming; way too normal and straightforward. Fake, batshit insane spoilers were more fun.
As it always, always happens with this franchise... that or 'vice versa', were some people say this is closer to a really forced fan-fiction. No middle-of-the-road opinion here... and I love that! Insanity for all!
 
To both, I say, Congratulations!

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Pacbois

Member
This thread.... HGGNNN MUST RESIST SPOILERS.

I just hope for a theatrical release in France. I saw 1.0, subbed, in a classy theater on a big ass screen and comfortable leather seats (And the theatre was almost empty).

But if that happens, it'll be probably a year after the asian BD release...
 

/XX/

Member
I was precisely thinking earlier if commenting about that specific track given the different nomenclature they gave it! It comes from the Japanese film The Man Who Stole The Sun:

Influences on Evangelion – The Man Who Stole The Sun | Revolution of Evangelion
http://revolutionofevangelion.org/influences-on-evangelion-the-man-who-stole-the-sun/

Yeah, I actually came across that very article when I was looking up the Yamashita track a year ago. I was quite taken with it and wanted to know who composed it, but thanks for reminding me, I'll have to seek out The Man Who Stole the Sun sometime
 

hirokazu

Member
Many were! Below are all the BGM theme names from Evangelion: 2.0, as seen on the original sound track release:



On that list, we have the annotations for each where "2EM" is 'Second Evangelion Movie' followed by a number that denotes the order of the composition as it appears on the film. After the underscore and talking about the part of the alphanumeric code I can understand, it figures the original source work of the composition re-arranged, with "KK" signaling tracks from His and Her Circumstances or 'KareKano' (while "EM" makes reference to the 'First Evangelion Movie', and "E" to an old series' theme rescued for this film but not for the previous one). "F" is final or fin. "A","B" and "C" mark different variations inside each hierarchy but, as in the case of His and Her Circumstances compositions, this can correspond to the exact same variation letter used for the original track, as Mr. Sagisu has been using this type of nomenclature since time and time ago.

For example; the track 19 called '2EM20_KK_A09_Kuriya' is based on 'KareKano's 'ichi-go ichi-e' (&#19968;&#26399;&#19968;&#20250;<A-9>, as I mentioned the same variation it figures on one OST of 'KareKano'), this is an expression translated habitually on this context as 'Treasure Every Moment'.

It is interesting to say that apparently those same tracks from His and Her Circumstances re-used were supposed to be on the original Neon Genesis Evangelion series, but it was decided not to include them. I don't know why.
That's rather in-depth. How did people learn that those Kare Kano songs were originally meant to be used in the Evangelion TV series?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
That's rather in-depth. How did people learn that those Kare Kano songs were originally meant to be used in the Evangelion TV series?
Kare Kano also reused footage from Eva if I remember correctly. The first (only?) one that comes to mind is the explosion around episode thirteen or twelve or eleven with the loli.
 

/XX/

Member
That's rather in-depth. How did people learn that those Kare Kano songs were originally meant to be used in the Evangelion TV series?
I'll try to find you the source, but I think it was Mr. Sagisu himself who explained it.

He had blogs I visited around the time he released SHIRO'S SOONGBOOK ver 7.0, where you could see some insight into the production of past and (at the time) future songs for the franchise new theatrical movies, and I linked to them on some occasion (http://forum.evageeks.org/post/83273/Songs-and-BGM-For-Rebuild/#83273), but that has disappeared now and is difficult to search for specific related information now. Sorry!
 

duckroll

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http://animeanime.jp/article/2012/11/18/12099.html

First box office results are in, but not the national total for the first day. Instead the report right now only covers Shinjuku Wald 9, which is the cineplex which had the midnight opening for the film.

There are 9 screens in the cineplex, and from midnight until 6am on the opening day, it made 7,115,900yen with 4,087 tickets sold. The first day total at the cineplex for Eva 3.0 is 25,675,800yen with 15,290 tickets sold. All 9 screens at the cineplex was completely sold out for each of the 8 screenings during the day for each screen.
 

hirokazu

Member
http://animeanime.jp/article/2012/11/18/12099.html

First box office results are in, but not the national total for the first day. Instead the report right now only covers Shinjuku Wald 9, which is the cineplex which had the midnight opening for the film.

There are 9 screens in the cineplex, and from midnight until 6am on the opening day, it made 7,115,900yen with 4,087 tickets sold. The first day total at the cineplex for Eva 3.0 is 25,675,800yen with 15,290 tickets sold. All 9 screens at the cineplex was completely sold out for each of the 8 screenings during the day for each screen.
That sounds good, right?
 

sonicmj1

Member
Well, I saw it.

That was a very good movie. There was a certain pretty major plot point that I didn't quite get until I looked at the spoiler thread afterwards, but beyond that, it made sense. Like all the movies so far, it's pretty tightly focused on Shinji's story, and I kind of like the way they played with his character after the events of 2.0. His relationship with Kaworu works better here than it did in the series, IMO.

The logistics of what these organizations do makes no sense, but the show's never really cared about that stuff anyway, so whatever. Some of it looks pretty awesome. There's tons of CG, but I don't think everything is CG, and most of it looks great. Duckroll's future has arrived.

There are some ways it could have been better, but I don't want to blame too much on the movie when my poor Japanese comprehension got in the way an awful lot. I think the pacing is kind of unbalanced. There's nonstop action in the beginning, nonstop action in the end, and a lot of very introspective stuff through the middle section. I think some parts of the beginning could have used some room to breathe.

As someone who liked the TV series and liked 2.0, I liked this one too. Worth seeing.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
There are some ways it could have been better, but I don't want to blame too much on the movie when my poor Japanese comprehension got in the way an awful lot. I think the pacing is kind of unbalanced. There's nonstop action in the beginning, nonstop action in the end, and a lot of very introspective stuff through the middle section. I think some parts of the beginning could have used some room to breathe.
This is what was worrying me about all those spoilers. There didn't seem to be enough balance between the character development and the action parts. Strangely, I think 1.0 is the only movie that reaches a perfect compromise.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
I feel like the TV series hit upon such a great, special balance of action, plot progression and character development over the course of its run that this whole Rebuild business is superfluous. Even 1.0 felt compressed and lacking in depth compared to the same portion of the series (gee, I wonder why).

Should have made a sequel instead
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I need to watch it. ;;

I feel like the TV series hit upon such a great, special balance of action, plot progression and character development over the course of its run that this whole Rebuild business is superfluous. Even 1.0 felt compressed and lacking in depth compared to the same portion of the series (gee, I wonder why).

Should have made a sequel instead
Who says it isn't? ( ¯&#9697;&#9697;¯·)
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Who says it isn't? ( ¯&#9697;&#9697;¯·)
I think a film about decades older versions of the surviving characters going through normal human problems, in a style like Anno's live action work, would be totally fascinating.
Yeah, I know it's a terrible idea
 

CorvoSol

Member
I wish I could see it. I'm dying here. I haven't even cared this much about Eva in years but MAN I wanna see it. Just rewatched everything and I gotta have MOAR.
 

Flipyap

Member
I think a film about decades older versions of the surviving characters going through normal human problems, in a style like Anno's live action work, would be totally fascinating.
Yeah, I know it's a terrible idea
I got 99 problems, but a GIANT REI HEAD ain't o--... oh yeah, about that...
 
A million thanks guys! So much emotionz from the leads in 15 seconds. Hmmm at that Utada single. I was mostly ambivalent towards Heart Station but Beautiful World really grew on me due to being the Rebuild theme. Guess i'll check it out in iTunes
 

hirokazu

Member
A million thanks guys! So much emotionz from the leads in 15 seconds. Hmmm at that Utada single. I was mostly ambivalent towards Heart Station but Beautiful World really grew on me due to being the Rebuild theme. Guess i'll check it out in iTunes
The new theme song sounds really sad, so it'll probably work great as the credits roll. Depression total.
 
http://www.cinematoday.jp/page/N0047890

Yup. 1,131,004,600yen 2-day weekend total on 224 screens. That's about 14 million USD.

Completely random, but digging your new avatar.

I've commented elsewhere, but I live in Nagasaki City (not huge by any stretch of the imagination), but all the showings were pretty much booked. Me and my friend got the last two seats for a 1:00pm showing, and all the ones after were extremely close to being sold out. Huge lines going around the lobby. If Nagasaki City was like that, I can only imagine what the bigger cities must have looked like.

I also want to stress how wide the demographic seemed to be. You had some of the normal otaku types, but there were lots of middle/high school students, boys and girls, families, some elementary school kids, college students etc. At least in my area, everybody came out. Me and my buddy were sitting next to a kid who was probably 11, and when the movie finished he just looked at us and said (in JP) "Wasn't that AWESOME?" Yeah kid, it was.
 

hirokazu

Member
Awesome to see it doing well. Didn't Kenshin only do about $7m US in its first 5 days? So this doubled it in its first 2 days... :0
 
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