EVO 2012 Thread 2 Because one thread wasnt enough to hold all the hype and the salt

dat French Salt

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She lost with grace though. Upset sure, salty aint quite the same thing.


Fchamp putting his stick down midmatch and walking away=salt
 
Sounds just like what I thought you were saying.


I went to one tournament. I'm in the midwest (Michigan for 10 years, Chicago for 1), there's not a lot out here unless I want to drive an hour away and an hour back. The tournament I went to was...well, let's just say it wasn't my cup of tea. Major respect to the guy who organized it, but two hours of traveling to play a handful of matches was not my idea of a good time on a weekday night. I would have went to UFGT this year (I just moved to Chicago), but it was during the weekend before my MA thesis paper was due - that obviously takes priority.

Have I organized anything? No. I'd love to one day when I have money for that kind of thing, but it's just not happening right now, when I have $120K in debt to take care of, want to own a home and have children, etc. The FGC is great, and I'd love to be a part of it, but I won't pretend it's on the top of my priority list.

I worked on this as I had time for the last year and a half:
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-dormammu-thread.141974/

It might not be the kind of thing you consider to be a contribution to the FGC, but it's something I've put a lot of effort into that many people have benefited from. Not everyone can contribute by hosting tournaments, unfortunately. I'm primarily an online warrior. It would be great to change that, and I plan to go to a Marvel tournament out in Brookfield this summer, but right now it's just how it is.
Hey, you've also bodied me online a few times! :-P
 
Hey, you've also bodied me online a few times! :-P
When I went to the one tournament I went to, I got a lot of hype. I came thiiiis close to beating the best player there with Phoenix on point (Vanilla). That being my first time ever playing the game offline, it was stressful as hell. I'd like to play offline more, but I really don't like having RL friends, and tournaments are sparse.
 
About right...

You still play Skullgirls and Mahvel? I've been wanting to play Karsticles, but the guy was never on last time I checked.
Pretty much everyone is going to go to the drawing board after EVO. All the Japanese players have said that they are changing up their teams even Abegen and Chou. It's about time MarlinPie looked into it too, I felt that was really his biggest weakness in that he is a 3 character man and once Viper died the team was pretty free to hard zoning.

EVO showed one very important thing for Marvel and that's you need to be comfortable playing more than 3 characters if you want to succeed. Counter picking is potent now and since the game is now 3/5 you can benefit a lot from it. This is a stark contrast from last year's EVO where only Viscant was counter picking people and he was basically just rotating 2 characters max. There are way too many strategies, styles of play and characters to worry about and I haven't seen a singular team that is able to handle everything in the game yet. FChamp might have won EVO but his entire team could've been jacked up by a Hawkeye team and if Infrit counter picked him with Hawkeye instead of Sentinel then things would've been different.
Chris G counterpicking against Justin with his old team blew my mind. I thought I had accidentally loaded an old archive or something.

People definitely need to expand their repertoire a bit for UMvC3. This ain't Vanilla MvC3.
 
About right...

You still play Skullgirls and Mahvel? I've been wanting to play Karsticles, but the guy was never on last time I checked.

I took a break from fighting games to reset my mindset on everything and get out of bad patterns. I just started marvel back up not too long ago, havent played skullgirls in a while either. I'm down for anything really.
 
I sometimes wonder...

How many people in threads like these actually play the games? :(

I play UMvC3 by shots, friends doesn't want to play cauz I kick their ass and the internet kicks mine, so after obtaining all the arcade endings now I play something like once-twice a month. Same thing for SFIV. Bought a Hori-V3-SA stick and I like to practice with it but I'm still so far from being anything good.

I really chocked KOFXIII though, I bought it during holidays last year and only played something like 3 times...EVO hyped me and I want to try it again and I'll do real soon.
 
I used to be pretty competitive back in the 3s era. Since then I'm more of an analyzer of the games and just a general supporter of the community. I'll buy the new games, try them out, study the gameplay behind it and try to understand the thought process of high level players, but nothing has caught my attention "fun" wise. Once in awhile I'll go walk/bus to a local event or a major (lets just say walking to SCR 2011 from LAX was a further walk then expected).


Doesn't help that I haven't found a game that has been as fun as 3s though. I'm hoping P4A changes all that.
 

People on gaf don't play games.

Anyway, I actually haven't found a fighting game I like to play online. Between shit netcode, and the way the game plays factor into my motivation to play it.

I actually started to play ST again (not because of evo), and actually started playing Sim.
 
Sounds just like what I thought you were saying.


I went to one tournament. I'm in the midwest (Michigan for 10 years, Chicago for 1), there's not a lot out here unless I want to drive an hour away and an hour back. The tournament I went to was...well, let's just say it wasn't my cup of tea. Major respect to the guy who organized it, but two hours of traveling to play a handful of matches was not my idea of a good time on a weekday night. I would have went to UFGT this year (I just moved to Chicago), but it was during the weekend before my MA thesis paper was due - that obviously takes priority.

Have I organized anything? No. I'd love to one day when I have money for that kind of thing, but it's just not happening right now, when I have $120K in debt to take care of, want to own a home and have children, etc. The FGC is great, and I'd love to be a part of it, but I won't pretend it's on the top of my priority list.

I worked on this as I had time for the last year and a half:
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-dormammu-thread.141974/

It might not be the kind of thing you consider to be a contribution to the FGC, but it's something I've put a lot of effort into that many people have benefited from. Not everyone can contribute by hosting tournaments, unfortunately. I'm primarily an online warrior. It would be great to change that, and I plan to go to a Marvel tournament out in Brookfield this summer, but right now it's just how it is.

It was a hypothetical "I might not like it". I started playing fighting games seriously when Marvel came out in February of 2011. I don't take fighting games seriously enough as a "community" to be upset.

I'll make sure I close your thread next time I'm on SRK. lol

I know how charmin some people are, so I guess I should make it clear I'm kidding.

And, no, what I said wasn't a "back in my day" post. Seriously, read what I wrote again. I have an issue with some of what's happening in the community, and a lot of other people agree with me.

And you're right, not everybody can contribute in the same way, but doing anything for the community that helps the general skill level go up a few points is a great thing. What isn't a great thing is sitting around your house, doing brazzers gifs and adding nothing to the community besides trying to promote the Kim Kardashians in the community. I have a huge issue with that shit.
 
I really thought France was going to take it.

I lost to something-unique and a Japanese player in my sc5 pool. SU destroyed me. It was close to the Japan player though. Made a lot of bad choices in match. Dammit.
 
You know I'm kinda worried about Poongko something seemed really off this weekend. He wasn't aggressive he was really timid in everything he did.
 
I sometimes wonder...

How many people in threads like these actually play the games? :(

I stopped playing competitively but I do play casuals (ST, 3S, GG) at tournaments. I was always inclined towards helping the scene grow rather than just being a player. I do graphic design work as well commentary for my local community and I've been learning how to stream as our local "Spooky" decided to quit streaming and he's passing the torch to me.
 
About right...

You still play Skullgirls and Mahvel? I've been wanting to play Karsticles, but the guy was never on last time I checked.
I just played 25 matches against Slasher today! I even posted about it in the thread. I can play you tomorrow if you want. The last time you asked if I wanted to play I logged on right away and you weren't there.

I'll make sure I close your thread next time I'm on SRK. lol
I certainly can't stop you. You sure do like to flaunt.

I know how charmin some people are, so I guess I should make it clear I'm kidding.
I don't understand the first half of this sentence.

And, no, what I said wasn't a "back in my day" post. Seriously, read what I wrote again. I have an issue with some of what's happening in the community, and a lot of other people agree with me.
I understand that things are changing. I understand your concerns are legitimate. I think we should be grateful to have a FGC at all these days. Developers are moving toward "cinematic" experiences this generation, and fighting games are threatened to go down that path. Flashy ultras and level 3 hypers are the half-way point that satisfies the interactive movie players and doesn't bother the fighting game fans enough to make them stop playing. Gaming in general is becoming a popular past-time; so much that the NYT wants regular gaming reviews now. Anything popular necessarily loses something of value. If fighting games are to survive at all in the current gaming industry, it needs the people you are attacking. It can't survive off of actual fighting game fans. That might have some unattractive consequences, but I don't think it's avoidable.

And you're right, not everybody can contribute in the same way, but doing anything for the community that helps the general skill level go up a few points is a great thing. What isn't a great thing is sitting around your house, doing brazzers gifs and adding nothing to the community besides trying to promote the Kim Kardashians in the community. I have a huge issue with that shit.
I do follow you, and I know where you see this is going. I just don't think it's avoidable. Hell, how many pro players have started calling stream monsters crap like "my fans" and "my family" recently? I'm not an old member of the community, but it seems clear to me that stream monstering used to have some kind of in-built derogatory connotation. That seems to be less the case these days; they're becoming closer to football fans.
 
I used to be pretty competitive back in the 3s era. Since then I'm more of an analyzer of the games and just a general supporter of the community. I'll buy the new games, try them out, study the gameplay behind it and try to understand the thought process of high level players, but nothing has caught my attention "fun" wise. Once in awhile I'll go walk/bus to a local event or a major (lets just say walking to SCR 2011 from LAX was a further walk then expected).


Doesn't help that I haven't found a game that has been as fun as 3s though. I'm hoping P4A changes all that.

Oh god, I know. 3s was so fucking amazing. 4 is such garbage.
 
Oh god, I know. 3s was so fucking amazing. 4 is such garbage.

Eh it's alright, it's my fave street fighter by far but it does have some issues with the top characters. Mostly just chun, yun is kinda execution heavy so it's fine.

My fondest memory of the game is getting a 108 win streak with Q at a con in Norcal only reason I stopped was cause it was 12am and they wanted to close the station down.

Sadly I cant get out to events because I can't drive and don't have friends that would be down to go anywhere. Being disabled without a wheelchair right now isn't helping much either. If I could I'd drive 1 1/2 hours to the norcal events every week just to go. *My friends all did crazy shit like this for yugioh* fml T_T
 
Oh god, I know. 3s was so fucking amazing. 4 is such garbage.


Yeah as I typed that I was reminded to what Rockefella said about finding a game as fun as 3s.

I realize 3s is a horrible SF game, but a good fighter in general. SF4 is more back to the old SF feel, but something about it doesn't make it fun for me. Also doesn't help that I picked up the game very late (SSF4) hoping that dudley was like 3s dudley. God what a rude awakening that was.

Marvel 3 is fun, but I get way too angry because of stuff I think is dumb. TAC, XF, some of the hitboxes, and all that get me really salty real fast. I mean I picked up the game pretty fast, hit 3rd/4th lord (which I know is nothing to write home about) in like the 3rd week the game came out (vanilla) but there are too many things that make me go "Really?"

I can list all the other big games out there, they just weren't my thing. I guess the closest that I've played would be SC5. I wished Skullgirls came out earlier and wished KOF13 had a good netcode. But it is what it is.

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Curious, what are your guys most fun fighting game? And has there been anything this generation that has come close to that level of fun?
 
I took a break from fighting games to reset my mindset on everything and get out of bad patterns. I just started marvel back up not too long ago, havent played skullgirls in a while either. I'm down for anything really.
Lovely

I hope you found what you were looking for during this break.
I used to be pretty competitive back in the 3s era. Since then I'm more of an analyzer of the games and just a general supporter of the community. I'll buy the new games, try them out, study the gameplay behind it and try to understand the thought process of high level players, but nothing has caught my attention "fun" wise. Once in awhile I'll go walk/bus to a local event or a major (lets just say walking to SCR 2011 from LAX was a further walk then expected).

Doesn't help that I haven't found a game that has been as fun as 3s though. I'm hoping P4A changes all that.
Third Strike is an amazingly fun game. I was really really reaaaaally hyped for Persona, but I guess it wasn't meant to be(damned region lock).
I just played 25 matches against Slasher today! I even posted about it in the thread. I can play you tomorrow if you want. The last time you asked if I wanted to play I logged on right away and you weren't there.
Maybe on Friday. I've become rustier and rustier by the day.
 
I play casually. I'd love to play competitively if I wasn't going to be so busy with becoming a teacher this next school year and there was an actual tournament scene around here.

Maybe I'll redouble my efforts and see what I can do next summer. But anyway I don't think there's anything wrong with people enjoying watching the games who don't play competitively. I don't even think there's anything wrong with people enjoying watching fighting games when they barely play at all. They're fun to watch but the intimidation factor of picking one up is huge when you start getting into it and realizing you can't do anything cool and can barely link or chain normals.

I think it's good more and more people are interested in watching the games, it means the scene will expand more. Not all fans of sports play what they watch, why should it be the same with video games?
 
Third Strike is an amazingly fun game. I was really really reaaaaally hyped for Persona, but I guess it wasn't meant to be(damned region lock).

That really sucks about the whole region lock thing. Why couldn't it happen to a game that nobody game two shits about like Dragon Age 2. QQ

Curious, what are your guys most fun fighting game? And has there been anything this generation that has come close to that level of fun?


Big time opinion... a lot of people would think the opposite... just saying!

This was the fun tier for 3s

Low Garbage level of play 3s = fun
Average level of play = fun
Above Average level of play = fun
High level of play = Chun takes that fun away and laughs at you with stand fierce and low forward.
 
Jill is way too slept on because she's hard as fuck to use.

In all honesty, Jill, MODOK, and x-23 make me the saltiest mother fucker on this planet. They are all full of stupid ass bullshit. Thankfully no one plays them
The game is balanced because nearly every character has stupid BS.
 
Big time opinion... a lot of people would think the opposite... just saying!

As someone who purchased SFIV twice, SSFIV, and rented AE. I can completely agree with him. But I do not like Third Strike. Third strike is a fun game, my main problem is with the cast. I would rather play CVS2 if it had online. For the mean time I just play ST.
 
Big time opinion... a lot of people would think the opposite... just saying!

I think 3s was liquid ambrosia. if i could make love to a videogame, 3s would be my main mistress. with Zone of the Enders being a casual fling. and super mario world my 1st marriage.

to all those who attended Evo.

WHAT DID IT SMELL LIKE?
 
Pretty much everyone is going to go to the drawing board after EVO. All the Japanese players have said that they are changing up their teams even Abegen and Chou. It's about time MarlinPie looked into it too, I felt that was really his biggest weakness in that he is a 3 character man and once Viper died the team was pretty free to hard zoning.

EVO showed one very important thing for Marvel and that's you need to be comfortable playing more than 3 characters if you want to succeed. Counter picking is potent now and since the game is now 3/5 you can benefit a lot from it. This is a stark contrast from last year's EVO where only Viscant was counter picking people and he was basically just rotating 2 characters max. There are way too many strategies, styles of play and characters to worry about and I haven't seen a singular team that is able to handle everything in the game yet. FChamp might have won EVO but his entire team could've been jacked up by a Hawkeye team and if Infrit counter picked him with Hawkeye instead of Sentinel then things would've been different.

This is my favorite thing about the Marvel metagame right now.
 
Posted this in the official thread, but anyone here interested in some VF5 games now? I got a lobby set up. PSN. Post your PSN ID to anyone interested and I'll send an invite.
 
This is my favorite thing about the Marvel metagame right now.

Also why I like the game. When there is a different character with a different assist, the areas each player control/have to worry about changes. Swap out a character so that rushdown team has to deal with your keep away team. ChrisG and Combofiend both did that to Justin.
 
Marvel 3 is fun, but I get way too angry because of stuff I think is dumb. TAC, XF, some of the hitboxes, and all that get me really salty real fast. I mean I picked up the game pretty fast, hit 3rd/4th lord (which I know is nothing to write home about) in like the 3rd week the game came out (vanilla) but there are too many things that make me go "Really?"
I'm not a Marvel 3 fan, but I actually kind of like TAC, even though it's poorly implemented. I always felt that MvC3 kind of de-emphasizes mind games, so it's good to have something that rewards a good read. There definitely needs to be a bigger penalty for a failed TAC, though.
 
Yeah as I typed that I was reminded to what Rockefella said about finding a game as fun as 3s.

I realize 3s is a horrible SF game, but a good fighter in general. SF4 is more back to the old SF feel, but something about it doesn't make it fun for me. Also doesn't help that I picked up the game very late (SSF4) hoping that dudley was like 3s dudley. God what a rude awakening that was.

Marvel 3 is fun, but I get way too angry because of stuff I think is dumb. TAC, XF, some of the hitboxes, and all that get me really salty real fast. I mean I picked up the game pretty fast, hit 3rd/4th lord (which I know is nothing to write home about) in like the 3rd week the game came out (vanilla) but there are too many things that make me go "Really?"

I can list all the other big games out there, they just weren't my thing. I guess the closest that I've played would be SC5. I wished Skullgirls came out earlier and wished KOF13 had a good netcode. But it is what it is.

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Curious, what are your guys most fun fighting game? And has there been anything this generation that has come close to that level of fun?


The problem with Dudley in sf4 is that he loses to Street Fighter. He has T-rex arms so characters with good footsie normals like Ryu's low forward make it a pain for him, this makes focusing his primary footsie tool. He's not a particularly great character, but he's can be pretty scary on some characters wakeup and he's fun to watch/play.
 
That really sucks about the whole region lock thing. Why couldn't it happen to a game that nobody game two shits about like Dragon Age 2. QQ

Curious, what are your guys most fun fighting game? And has there been anything this generation that has come close to that level of fun?
Melee is one of my favorite all time fighters. Nothing from this generation has been as fun. Mahvel has gotten the short end of the stick too many times for me to feel the fun as much.

Vampire Savior may be fifteen years old, but I started playing it a year ago and I find it more fun and amazing than anything in this generation. Skullgirls has potential, but the lack of lobbies and spectator mode hurts it bad. Looking forward to updates, DLC and a sequel for SG.
 
Curious, what are your guys most fun fighting game? And has there been anything this generation that has come close to that level of fun?

Third Strike and Tekken Tag Tournament (although I love all the Tekkens
except 4
)

From this gen, I thought SF4 was pretty good so was Tekken 6 but they don't match up to their previous iterations.
 
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