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[Dr. Wilkinson]

Isnt Nintendo the company which last year we had a thread and head office has all the higher level FT jobs and managers and nearby is their hired gun contract office of low level CSR?

That’s literally pretty much every large company here. Corporate America!

People who don’t already know that read reports like the one you reference and think Nintendo’s uniquely bad. Nope! They just happened to have a report written about them with specific examples. Could do a similar report with any large company. Inside or outside the game industry.

I work for Kellogg and they are exactly the same.

 

[Foilz]

The company I work for unionized. We all went from making $50 -$60hr plus annuities ($11 per hr added to annuities) pension, better medical, dental, matching 401k and a few other perks. It cut into the owners profits by a mere 10%. That's a 160 employees living better and protected. Being anti union is just plan stupid. You don't have to like the union officials but you cannot say being unionized is a bad thing. Only people who believe in corporate greed could ever support being anti union because they want every $ for themselves and they don't want their employees to have any power when it comes to work-life. During our unionization the owner himself stated his reasons why he didn't believe in it and that was one of them. Fun fact he was in a union for 15 yes before opening his own company and turning it I to a 60million a yr company

 

[daveonezero]

Wasn't the politics forum nuked?

Only because dissent is not allowed.

The company I work for unionized. We all went from making $50 -$60hr plus annuities ($11 per hr added to annuities) pension, better medical, dental, matching 401k and a few other perks. It cut into the owners profits by a mere 10%. That's a 160 employees living better and protected. Being anti union is just plan stupid. You don't have to like the union officials but you cannot say being unionized is a bad thing.

How do you know it is better being a union and not just companies competing for the best talent?

 

[FStubbs]

Lol what are you talking about. Unions deliver better pay and working conditions for their members and once a critical mass of workers in a given sector are unionized those benefits spill out into the broader economy. Any worker who hates unions is a cuck of the highest order

Maybe he's a billionaire trust fund baby.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The company I work for unionized. We all went from making $50 -$60hr plus annuities ($11 per hr added to annuities) pension, better medical, dental, matching 401k and a few other perks. It cut into the owners profits by a mere 10%. That's a 160 employees living better and protected. Being anti union is just plan stupid. You don't have to like the union officials but you cannot say being unionized is a bad thing. Only people who believe in corporate greed could ever support being anti union because they want every $ for themselves and they don't want their employees to have any power when it comes to work-life. During our unionization the owner himself stated his reasons why he didn't believe in it and that was one of them. Fun fact he was in a union for 15 yes before opening his own company and turning it I to a 60million a yr company

Employee costs are part of every company's SG&A budget. They will typically peg it as a % of net sales.

In unionized companies, your % of net sales can be no different than an office of nonunionized people.

The key difference is there will likely be a bigger gap in salaries in non-unionized pools and people are easier to fire. You'll get paid a lot if you do well and move up the ranks while the bad ones are either paid bad or fired. In unionized environments, the wage gap is smaller and harder to fire people. So for you or any exceptional workers doing a great job are actually having some of your pay go to the bottom feeders to adhere to pay tier agreements. The best paying jobs common people can get are non-union..... business owners, VPs, lawyers, awesome sales guy selling tons on commission. Most union workers arent even in management. Whatever money youre making, your nonunion boss is making more.

As for nonunion companies being greedy that's untrue. If it were greedy you wouldnt have tech workers making shit loads of money. Most tech workers arent unionized. But they earn it since the company values their skill set. You can get youngsters in their 20s making $100,000s sitting a desk coding.

Most unionized workers are more easily replaceable, so thats why job security is so important. I dont think the typical sales, tech worker of finance guy cares about getting fired since they'll just get another job elsewhere.

 

[darrylgorn]

That's actually an interesting take on it. Their existence is predicated on unfair treatment. If employees were satisfied, unions wouldn't exist.

 

[Foilz]

Employee costs are part of every company's SG&A budget. They will typically peg it as a % of net sales.

In unionized companies, your % of net sales can be no different than an office of nonunionized people.

The key difference is there will likely be a bigger gap in salaries in non-unionized pools and people are easier to fire. You'll get paid a lot if you do well and move up the ranks while the bad ones are either paid bad or fired. In unionized environments, the wage gap is smaller and harder to fire people. So for you or any exceptional workers doing a great job are actually having some of your pay go to the bottom feeders to adhere to pay tier agreements. The best paying jobs common people can get are non-union..... business owners, VPs, lawyers, awesome sales guy selling tons on commission. Most union workers arent even in management. Whatever money youre making, your nonunion boss is making more.

As for nonunion companies being greedy that's untrue. If it were greedy you wouldnt have tech workers making shit loads of money. Most tech workers arent unionized. But they earn it since the company values their skill set. You can get youngsters in their 20s making $100,000s sitting a desk coding.

Most unionized workers are more easily replaceable, so thats why job security is so important. I dont think the typical sales, tech worker of finance guy cares about getting fired since they'll just get another job elsewhere.

The difference between 95% of non union workers and tech sector workers is that the tech/it workers are salary based and not hourly. Most also sign contracts for their services

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The difference between 95% of non union workers and tech sector workers is that the tech/it workers are salary based and not hourly. Most also sign contracts for their services

95% of non union workers are not hourly based.

 

[Tams]

Unions are cancer.History has proven that time and time again.

Having said that, I agree with Reggie. Most people wouldn't join a union, as they wouldn't join anything, without feeling that they can gain something out of it. If the workers were satisfied with their job/pay/whatever, there wouldn't be a need in the first place. So this is more of a matter of companies needing to be smarter and rewarding their *best* workers properly, and having feasable compensations for everyone if they do their job right.

Unions are cancer until your employer screws you over.

 

[crazepharmacist]

Unions suck. Everyone gets paid the same. You can't ask for raises. Everyone gets the same shitty raise every year regardless of how good of a job you are doing. It incentivizes laziness. It's basically corporate socialism.

Though I will admit, if you are a lazy fuck and thrive on doing the bare minimum while still getting paid as much as much as possible and having absolute job security, unions rock.

 

[crazepharmacist]

Also, the problem with Unions in blue states (which do not have right to work laws) is that they are allowed to set up what is called a "union shop." Basically it's a parasite that attaches itself to a company and forces every current and future employee to join the union. There is no opting out. You either work there and join the union or you work elsewhere. This creates laziness within the union itself because they also have no incentive to work on behalf of their members because they are getting your dues regardless. You want them to negotiate a better salary or benefits in a new contract on your behalf? They can literally tell you to go fuck yourself.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Unions only work for perhaps the lowest of the low companies with dangerous situations (zero safety standards). Most companies arent like that. Most people dont get paid anywhere close to min wage, and unions take advantage of situations.

The majority of the biggest and most successful companies have hardly any unions and get paid well.... banks/investment co, tech, pharma. The sectors that might be up there with good union representation are car and energy companies where the blue collar folks might be unionized.

It's a good structure of job description, pay tiers (often based on seniority than performance or attitude) for people who want to punch a clock 9-5 with predictable daily work 9little ambition to do other duties, low risk of getting fired as a union boss will chime in, and the worker accepts a place where they some reason dont care if the guy next to him makes more money due to years of service even though he does a lousy job. Jobs are often unsupervised with zero goal setting or personal evaluations. My sis in law is a nurse, unionized and hasnt had a formal chat about annual goals or evaluation in 15 years. It's like the boss and her dont even care or even know if she's doing the right thing or improving every year.

It got so bad that way back the Ontario government I believe had enough of police, fire, paramedics striking so they classified them as essential services in a bargaining agreement so they couldnt strike because the risk was always there theyd strike when come due and call in sick during emergencies. It's like the old postal worker days where they'd threaten striking during the Christmas rush but this involves public safety and the government cant trust these workers would show up during contract renewal time if they didnt get their way.

Anything for a buck.

The problem isn't companies or bosses. It's skill set. If you look at most union types of jobs, their skills are narrow and focused on certain industries or jobs. If they lose their job, they panic they cant get another so thats why job security is so important.

Sales, marketing, finance, legal etc.... typically none of these jobs are unionized. We got a wide enough skill set we can work at any place whether it's private sector, a home business or government. I do finance. I can work for anyone who needs financial analysis and monthly reporting done. I can technically even work for the military because there's got to be some people working on costs and budgets somewhere. Our jobs are more transferrable to different places.

Yeah, as a truck driver with a clean record I can have recruiters hounding me day and night with a visit to a few websites. I can recognize the good some unions do, while also criticizing the harm others do.

 

[Unknown?]

The western car industry is doing fine in Germany, a country where literally every auto worker is unionized. It wasn't unions that killed the Big Three, it was the corporate executives who kept cutting corners and pinching pennies and outsourcing to Mexico even as they accumulated an irreversible reputation for terrible reliability

If that's the case then how come when Daimler bought Chrysler, they couldn't turn it around and make a profit? It's because of the union.

 

[Roni]

The bigger problem being that not every employee enjoys overdosing on amphetamines and working overtime for free so you can undersell the project's costs.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

If that's the case then how come when Daimler bought Chrysler, they couldn't turn it around and make a profit? It's because of the union.

It's because Chrysler had been so mismanaged that it had no credibility with customers anymore. Again, if unions are such a problem the German auto industry wouldn't exist because it's all unionized

 

[Calverz]

Unions are incredibly important in upholding workers rights. They helped improve workers rights over a number of years. American attitude to unions is so weird. They hate “socialism” but yet love it in their sports lol

 

[Kataploom]

Had he said that back when he was at NoA I'd believe he was at least merely sincere lol

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Unions are cancer.History has proven that time and time again.

Having said that, I agree with Reggie. Most people wouldn't join a union, as they wouldn't join anything, without feeling that they can gain something out of it. If the workers were satisfied with their job/pay/whatever, there wouldn't be a need in the first place. So this is more of a matter of companies needing to be smarter and rewarding their *best* workers properly, and having feasable compensations for everyone if they do their job right.

This guy gets it. It's legalized blackmailing. We have a lot of that cancer here in Europe. Don't copy it, citizens of the Us of A.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

I feel like you either don't live in a country where there are unions, or that the one you do that have unions is a first world country where life is still good even when going through rough times.

I don't live in a first world country, and my country has unions. And if you ask any worker that lives here, 95% of them will not only answer that unions do jack shit for them, but they also demand a "tax" for you to pay them that was obligatory until a few years ago(and once it became opcional, 97% of the workers stopped paying them, effectively waving their rights to whatever the union does for them, and never looked back).

The problem is that, at least in my experience, the unions hardly do something positive for the worker, and all they do are riots that not only make the worker look bad, because they end up being forced to join it(as the unions prohibits by force if necessary entrance to the workplace), and make them look like slackers or something like that, but most of the time(in my country) they get up in arms over things that don't even improve working conditions for the workers in general, and just comes up with more unnecessary fluff that makes hiring people more expensive(and thus, its bad for the company, and bad for anyone wanting to work there).

This topic is more complicated than this, obviously, but that gets the gist of what I mean.

What Reggie means, and I agree with him, is that being more generous about rewarding your workers and having a better work life balance is just a good bussiness move. Keeping workers happy will avoid losing talent, and they will probably work better and harder, and also avoid them comming up with stuff like unions, that just increases the paperwork and ammount of money that companies spend on a single worker, either to maintain them, or to hire more(and not on things like higher wages, but actually on the eventualities of riots, paralisations, or the burocracy of hiring/firing someone)

What country is this you speaking of? Unions in Germany is what keeps a large population of workers afloat. They are the ones who get inflation compensation, my Union is fighting for an 8% raise atm. All the working rights here, are there because of unions.

This guy gets it. It's legalized blackmailing. We have a lot of that cancer here in Europe. Don't copy it, citizens of the Us of A.

Yeah, keep enjoying no paternity leave, 29+ paid holidays, paid sick days, paid overtime, inflation compensation etc. lol

 

[GeekyDad]

Duh?

 

[Tams]

Unions suck. Everyone gets paid the same. You can't ask for raises. Everyone gets the same shitty raise every year regardless of how good of a job you are doing. It incentivizes laziness. It's basically corporate socialism.

Though I will admit, if you are a lazy fuck and thrive on doing the bare minimum while still getting paid as much as much as possible and having absolute job security, unions rock.

Without getting into banned territory here, that's an incredibly US-centric view and wrong in many cases even then.

Then again, I expect no less of an attitude from a country that thinks socially mandatory tipping is normal and acceptable, grossly low salaries are fine (to be made up with tips), and that it's normal to have to take out a loan to get medical treatment or pay at the time for an ambulance.

 

[Topher]

Without getting into banned territory here, that's incredibly US-centric view and wrong in many cases even then.

Then again, I expect no less of an attitude from a country that thinks socially mandatory tipping is normal and acceptable, grossly low salaries are fine (to be made up with tips), and that it's normal to have to take out a loan to get medical treatment or pay at the time for an ambulance.

You think lower salaries in the US are “made up” with tips? That’s only applies to jobs like waiters and waitresses.

 

[ManaByte]

Unions are incredibly important in upholding workers rights. They helped improve workers rights over a number of years. American attitude to unions is so weird. They hate “socialism” but yet love it in their sports lol

If it wasn’t for unions in sports the Houston Cheaters would’ve been banned from the game after the 2017 World Series.

 

[Tams]

You think lower salaries in the US are “made up” with tips? That’s only applies to jobs like waiters and waitresses.

It was an example of the messed up mindset. It also doesn't address the other examples.

It could be much worse though. At least Americans aren't PRC, or, shudder, Russian.

 

[Topher]

It was an example of the messed up mindset. It also doesn't address the other examples.

It was a generalization and not a very good one. As most generalizations are. That’s my example. There are things on the surface of other countries that I think have a "messed up mindset". I think it is probably best if I not voice them though because ultimately it comes down to an uninformed opinion. I've never heard of anyone paying at the time for an ambulance, for example. But I guess if the internet said so it must have happened somewhere. Is it normal? No, it isn't.

 

[Deanington]

US Union member here. I get paid good, 8 hour days, anything over 8, nights ( anything past 3 pm ), or weekends is time and a half. I get a pension, paid health, dental, and eye insurance. If your lazy/don’t produce you sit home. Anybody doing my job that is non union gets paid at least less than half of what I make, longer hours, and none of the benefits. Being in a union haves been good for me. That’s because we have good reps/contract negotiators that fight for our rights. Doing work at least in my field that doesn’t have these protections is a sucker.

 

[Unknown?]

It's because Chrysler had been so mismanaged that it had no credibility with customers anymore. Again, if unions are such a problem the German auto industry wouldn't exist because it's all unionized

That makes no sense. So a company that has unionized workforce that clearly can manage competently, can't do it it's somehow because of customers? They were still selling and under them they had the highly popular 300. It doesn't matter how many cars you sell, or niche brands wouldn't exist. The UAW is corrupt as hell. I can't say the same about German unions because I don't know but I doubt they'd be pushing raises if their parent was in the red for years.

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

That makes no sense. So a company that has unionized workforce that clearly can manage competently, can't do it it's somehow because of customers? They were still selling and under them they had the highly popular 300. It doesn't matter how many cars you sell, or niche brands wouldn't exist. The UAW is corrupt as hell. I can't say the same about German unions because I don't know but I doubt they'd be pushing raises if their parent was in the red for years.

What are you talking about. I said the company had been mismanaged to point that customers no longer considered it as an option due to poor reliability. Who cares about the 300, actually successful cars are Accord Camry Corolla Civic Golf etc

 

[PhaseJump]

Without getting into banned territory here, that's an incredibly US-centric view and wrong in many cases even then.

Then again, I expect no less of an attitude from a country that thinks socially mandatory tipping is normal and acceptable, grossly low salaries are fine (to be made up with tips), and that it's normal to have to take out a loan to get medical treatment or pay at the time for an ambulance.

It's the way unions operate, and it's not only US centric to point out and criticize bureaucratic parasites that economically drag a corporation into the ground. I'm Canadian, and I fucking laugh at most of the union loving bullshit romanticism that goes on in society. I've seen unions fuck over a ton of people in my life. That's not even considering the public sector unions that prop up and interfere with government operated things like healthcare and education.

 

[Victor Omega]

Reggie's "inb4 moment" / hints at another indie renaissance of big-name devs going off on their own once all these merger and aquisition mature needs a thread of its own.

 

[Tams]

It's the way unions operate, and it's not only US centric to point out and criticize bureaucratic parasites that economically drag a corporation into the ground. I'm Canadian, and I fucking laugh at most of the union loving bullshit romanticism that goes on in society. I've seen unions fuck over a ton of people in my life. That's not even considering the public sector unions that prop up and interfere with government operated things like healthcare and education.

Here's the thing, you may hate unions, but they are individuals collectively choosing to stand up for what they believe.

Can it go wrong? Sure. But businesses and governments just as commonly and readily abuse their employees. If they didn't, people wouldn't feel the need to unionise.

Now, you may say, 'they should go find a better job', which is to say, do something about it. Guess what unionising is?

And yes guess what? It's their right to be able to, whether you like it or not.

 

[Foilz]

The bigger problem is corporate America doesn't want workers to have holidays , vacations, ot pay scales and benefits because eit cuts into their bottom line. They want slaves. Unions gave us all of those things. I'm in a union and I could never work nonunion again. If you're against unionization then you are part of the problem. Yes there's corruption in unions, yes it's a business but at the end of the day if the union is run correctly they are for the workers. Now everyone I know who didn't jump over to the union when I did are begging me to help them get in

I worked non union for 13 years. There was no safety training, each individual
had to negotiate their own deals with the owners, holiday pay and overtime was always an issue and there were barely any benefits.

I'm union now and I make more, I get safety training weekly, if I feel unsafe I don't have to do the job, all benefits, 401k, every hour I work $12 is added to my annuities. In 2 months my annuities are at $5000+, 4 weeks vacation plus any type of certifications I want . I'm local 1 elevator mechanic in NYC. I would have it no other way!

 

[Foilz]

Unions suck. Everyone gets paid the same. You can't ask for raises. Everyone gets the same shitty raise every year regardless of how good of a job you are doing. It incentivizes laziness. It's basically corporate socialism.

Though I will admit, if you are a lazy fuck and thrive on doing the bare minimum while still getting paid as much as much as possible and having absolute job security, unions rock.

You are 100% wrong!! The base pay of the union scale is base pay. You can absolutely get paid over scale. In my union base pay is $60 per hr. Im paid over scale at $66 per hour.

What you've stated is exactly what corporate redstaters want people to believe all while paying you low salaries which force you to get 2 jobs to pay the bills.

 

[PhaseJump]

Here's the thing, you may hate unions, but they are individuals collectively choosing to stand up for what they believe.

This is naive and stupid.

They are bureaucracies that take dues as taxes from a skilled workforce, gatekeepers who impose their political will upon a business regardless of what their members want. Typically corrupt enough to have union reps getting benefits and perks to schmooze with management, all while providing the incompetent members a security blanket for bad performance on the job.

Can it go wrong? Sure. But businesses and governments just as commonly and readily abuse their employees. If they didn't, people wouldn't feel the need to unionise.

People generally feel the need to unionize because they don't like the pressure of fighting for their own interests alone. Long gone are the old days of private companies owning all industry in a region, owning all the property, owning the local stores that the workforce rely upon. We have labour laws and watchdog groups now if "abuse" is legitimate, and not some bleeding heart retarded cry, such as it usually is, when a "union" guy shows up to meddle and rile up a work force to scare away their own opportunities.

Now, you may say, 'they should go find a better job', which is to say, do something about it. Guess what unionising is?

They should find the best job they can get, and getting one where they get to do nothing and be parasite toward a company sounds like a good gig.

And yes guess what? It's their right to be able to, whether you like it or not.

I'm not anti-union. I'm just not retarded enough to see how they are some institutionally sacred thing that don't carry consequences when operating.

I've seen people fucked out of 10s of thousands of dollars of owed work at union rates that have been lost. I've seen industrial collapse, thousands of people forced into poverty, severance packages mere weeks away from full retirement pensions, while the union reps got out with a ton of perks.

 

[Foilz]

This is naive and stupid.

They are bureaucracies that take dues as taxes from a skilled workforce, gatekeepers who impose their political will upon a business regardless of what their members want. Typically corrupt enough to have union reps getting benefits and perks to schmooze with management, all while providing the incompetent members a security blanket for bad performance on the job.



People generally feel the need to unionize because they don't like the pressure of fighting for their own interests alone. Long gone are the old days of private companies owning all industry in a region, owning all the property, owning the local stores that the workforce rely upon. We have labour laws and watchdog groups now if "abuse" is legitimate, and not some bleeding heart retarded cry, such as it usually is, when a "union" guy shows up to meddle and rile up a work force to scare away their own opportunities.



They should find the best job they can get, and getting one where they get to do nothing and be parasite toward a company sounds like a good gig.



I'm not anti-union. I'm just not retarded enough to see how they are some institutionally sacred thing that don't carry consequences when operating.

I've seen people fucked out of 10s of thousands of dollars of owed work at union rates that have been lost. I've seen industrial collapse, thousands of people forced into poverty, severance packages mere weeks away from full retirement pensions, while the union reps got out with a ton of perks.

You don't work for a union, you work for a company so if you are fucked out of money the. That's on the company not the union. Yes the union is supposed to fight to get you that money but the company is at fault.

"People generally feel the need to unionize because they don't like the pressure of fighting for their own interests alone"

Wtf? Because there is strength in #'s. You a company or corporation you are nothing regardless of your experience/skills.

 

[Deerock71]

I think you'd see AAAA games get shifted down to AA games. I like AA games, but I'm pretty sure it would drive many people out of the market.

It seems like people take for granted how disposable this industry is. One person can sit at a typewriter and churn out a masterpiece. If you've got hundreds of people working on one game, and unionized employees can half-ass their work, the end product is going to suffer.

 

[YCoCg]

Americans views on unions is hilarious, do you guys still believe they're run by the Mafia?

 

[PhaseJump]

You don't work for a union, you work for a company so if you are fucked out of money the. That's on the company not the union. Yes the union is supposed to fight to get you that money but the company is at fault

The ultimate point, unions are bloated gatekeepers and can be useless and detrimental, or outright corrupt. It happens. Whether it's worth paying those dues is just another metric people need to juggle when taking responsibility of their own situation.

 

[Tams]

This is naive and stupid.

They are bureaucracies that take dues as taxes from a skilled workforce, gatekeepers who impose their political will upon a business regardless of what their members want. Typically corrupt enough to have union reps getting benefits and perks to schmooze with management, all while providing the incompetent members a security blanket for bad performance on the job.



People generally feel the need to unionize because they don't like the pressure of fighting for their own interests alone. Long gone are the old days of private companies owning all industry in a region, owning all the property, owning the local stores that the workforce rely upon. We have labour laws and watchdog groups now if "abuse" is legitimate, and not some bleeding heart retarded cry, such as it usually is, when a "union" guy shows up to meddle and rile up a work force to scare away their own opportunities.



They should find the best job they can get, and getting one where they get to do nothing and be parasite toward a company sounds like a good gig.



I'm not anti-union. I'm just not retarded enough to see how they are some institutionally sacred thing that don't carry consequences when operating.

I've seen people fucked out of 10s of thousands of dollars of owed work at union rates that have been lost. I've seen industrial collapse, thousands of people forced into poverty, severance packages mere weeks away from full retirement pensions, while the union reps got out with a ton of perks.

Typically North American view of unions.

In most of the world they are much more reasonable do their jobs.

 

[PhaseJump]

Typically North American view of unions.

In most of the world they are much more reasonable do their jobs.

You can fuck off with that shit right now. First you criticize "US centric views", now the goal posts move to "typical North American" because I'm Canadian.

The world does not revolve around you and your opinions.

 

[Tams]

You can fuck off with that shit right now. First you criticize "US centric views", now the goal posts move to "typical North American" because I'm Canadian.

The world does not revolve around you and your opinions.

Lol, the US and Canada might as well be one country in so many ways.

 

[PhaseJump]

Lol, the US and Canada might as well be one country in so many ways.

"Lol. Japan and Korea might as well be one country in so many ways."

 

[64bitmodels]

Lol, the US and Canada might as well be one country in so many ways.

Canada actually has free healthcare and the vast majority of the population aren't morbidly obese. They're basically US 2.0

 

[Tams]

Canada actually has free healthcare and the vast majority of the population aren't morbidly obese. They're basically US 2.0

I'm well aware of that.

 

[64bitmodels]

and i agree with reggie here, though i am pro union, they exist because CEOs and higherups have so much power and reach
Why the fuck don't the workers who actually program, model, animate, design, and voice the game have more say in the company? why are they often ruled over by ruthless soulless businessmen like bobby kotick who have no respect for them or any of the work they put out? People unionize and form indie studios because of this shit

 

[SkylineRKR]

Yeah its a vicious circle. They exists because corporations can treat employees like shit. Because our society is about money making and success. So, you need unions. Because without unions, where do you go if you're being fucked over?

In an ideal world, every workplace is a healthy place to work in. But this is utopia. There will always be corporations with shitty practices and thus unions need to be there. I'm not saying unions are saints. I am actually without an union for some years now, since my situation became stable and i am in decent place. US unions are perhaps different, but here they did pull some good stuff off like better salaries and more days off. Sometimes though, they stir too much shit.

 

[daveonezero]

Canada actually has free healthcare and the vast majority of the population aren't morbidly obese. They're basically US 2.0

I’ll take freedom over free stuff.

 

[RoboFu]

I’ve only seen unions in a bad way. Bringing down productivity and leeching money off workers.

Canada actually has free healthcare and the vast majority of the population aren't morbidly obese. They're basically US 2.0

and when people need major care or surgeries.. they don’t go to Canada.

Government funding doesn’t provide enough for low level research and education. Private funding is why we have the level of medical knowledge that we have in the world.


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https://dollarflow.com/top-10-countries-with-the-best-doctors-in-the-world/

 

[Platinumstorm]

and i agree with reggie here, though i am pro union, they exist because CEOs and higherups have so much power and reach
Why the fuck don't the workers who actually program, model, animate, design, and voice the game have more say in the company? why are they often ruled over by ruthless soulless businessmen like bobby kotick who have no respect for them or any of the work they put out? People unionize and form indie studios because of this shit

Because we have a debt culture in the US. Debt, while useful as a tool, takes away significant power from workers who need their job at any cost. Until you are debt free with savings, or your access to savings is so large that your debt doesn't really matter on a scale of a few years or more, it's difficult exert influence.

 

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You are 100% wrong!! The base pay of the union scale is base pay. You can absolutely get paid over scale. In my union base pay is $60 per hr. Im paid over scale at $66 per hour.

What you've stated is exactly what corporate redstaters want people to believe all while paying you low salaries which force you to get 2 jobs to pay the bills.

Not in my union. And never heard of being able to get individual raises based on performance in any other union. If someone gets a raise, everyone has to get it. Now if you are talking night shift, weekend differential, or gaining extra certifications that bring you above base pay, that is a different story.