Draugoth
Gold Member
Executives only think about money, which is why they are porting everything to PC. If they see Xbox offers no threat anymore but profit instead, they will start releasing games on Xbox as well.
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(eXtas1s) Potentially Lots of New Info on Next Xbox(es)
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Executives only think about money, which is why they are porting everything to PC. If they see Xbox offers no threat anymore but profit instead, they will start releasing games on Xbox as well.
CoreyFlawless
Member
I mean, if they can get this working like steam be picture mode, but Xbox style and have all the apps too. Shit it's a win for me
GHG
Member
I think that's already the case for any transactions that take place through apps on the windows store anyway.
It's currently ~12% AFAIK.
I think it's far more likely they do something like make people pay a subscription in order to access the emulators etc for Xbox games that are being talked about.
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Little Chicken
Banned
I wonder if that's the same *checks notes* evangelical loyalty that has allowed the PS5 to sell more units compared to the Series X despite not having any compelling reason to do so.It's all about evangelical™ "loyalty," you see.
mayham2199
Member
How about the fact that they released the PS5 with exclusive games while the Series X released with nothing.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Has there even been any credible leaks of what MS are doing APU or otherwise right now? I know KeplerL2 mentioned last year PS6 APUs will tape out later this year but no word of anything Xbox related at least with AMD?
Are Microsoft even doing their own APU(s) with AMD/Others at this point? Something isn't adding up if they're supposed to launch in little more than 2 years.
Are Microsoft even doing their own APU(s) with AMD/Others at this point? Something isn't adding up if they're supposed to launch in little more than 2 years.
Shaki12345
Banned
This is potentially revolutionary. Finally Microsoft will have something unique to differentiate it from Sony, other than backwards compatibility.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
mayham2199
Member
How is it revolutionary you can already do this on PC. At best they build a more convenient UI.
Shaki12345
Banned
Dude. I don't want a PC experience. I want a console that plays my Steam Library.
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Fess
Member
Would they need to do anything? The console war is over. Unless Valve make a Steam console with competitive pricing and performance and ramp up production speed like crazy they have nothing to worry about. An Xbox PC thing with Steam would be like me playing PS games on my couch PC. They still get my money.
"So I'd be able to get PS exclusive on my new Xbox from Steam"
The warriors are going to LOVE using this sentiment going forward, but so will a lot of journalists and influencers who don't even care about Xbox. I'm curious how SIE are going to deal with this, because I still don't think they can just get Valve to block access on Xbox devices that are basically running some form of Windows (like actual Windows, not Xbox OS which is just based on some parts of the Windows kernel) and are basically positioned as PCs in the market.
The smart answer would be to scale back on Windows & Steam support outside of some GAAS titles, but will SIE actually do that?
But they can always create their own launcher if they want that 30% Steam cut back, if they add day 1 releases it would be an instant success.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Why do you have a Steam library if you don't want a "PC experience"?
Shaki12345
Banned
- I don't want to buy a new PC
- I don't want to tingle with settings to make things work
- I don't like a PC next to my TV
- I don't want the updates and all other driver crap when I just want to play a game.
+ I want to play my Steam Library on my TV, preferably on the same console as GamePass
+ I want a user friendly experience that just works out of the box
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Shaki12345
Banned
Because my PC is too old to run modern games and read my previous post #165.
Topher
Identifies as young
Eh....I guess. Did you read the OP though? This is a PC with UI tweaks. The "steam integration" is adding the steam app to the MS store. This isn't a console experience. It is a PC experience.
Shaki12345
Banned
It is a locked down experience like a console. No driver issues, no tweaking needed. No tinkering.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Where does it say that?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Shaki12345
Banned
It doesn't? Well, I'm on the run (mobile). That would be a missed opportunity.
Steam Box is needed.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Shaki12345
Banned
Lots of people would want a Steam Box experience.
FrankWza
Member
That's the key point. If you take away their bc and dollars already invested plus the years of stacked gp, you risk them not buying games on any platform they might switch to. This way, they can raise gp here and there and also shift to removing day one on gp on lower tiers when they need to pivot to more restricted tiers for lower paying subs. Now you're further committed so you either pay the highest tier of the new gp they make up or you actually buy games
Zacfoldor
Member
One thing that could happen is that PC games tend to be poorly optimized and have issues that PC users are accustomed to dealing with but not console users. Like UE stutter for example, though perhaps ARM architecture could fix that particular windows issue.
The growing pains of going on to PC are usually just screamed into the void until the user either adapts or goes back to console(usually a friend group helps them adapt, the same group that helped them build or pick out the PC). When you give them extra stores there are more moving parts, more outages, more problems to deal with, more time spent on your hardware than with your hardware. Also there is a uniform hardware tax on PC games so the specs need to be better to achieve the same result. This may be eventually mitigated by presets but for 3 separate storefronts at least? Shit could get spicy for those wanting to explore their new hardware ecosystem. Lots of things will be untested on day 1, I imagine. Would they allow user mods? Will this be free enough to accumulate Windows rot?
In this case MS customer support would have to deal with it. Cheating and piracy too. Don't forget about those.
Xbox isn't great at hardware imo. Shit exists, user is not the priority. This could be comedy gold. It's a bad plan imho, they should just go 3rd party sans hardware, but let's see what happens. I insist this get a chance to launch.
Also, will Xbox people change to Windows Gamer people over time? Will they stop playing slate releases? Will they migrate to older, f2p titles? Will they dump gamepass? Why would they even use the Microsoft store if the device ran steam unencumbered? If the PS6 is just an upgraded PS5, this will be a very interesting device indeed. If the PS6 is $699.99 discless + 100 bucks for the drive and this microsoft console comes in 2 skus, a XSS shitty one for 700 bucks and a premium edition for $1,200.00 would you be willing to give it a shot? What about my physical Xbox games? Can I play those? Separate purchase required? There are just so many avenues that this can go wrong on. It delights the mind. Microsoft is not the company to juggle this successfully. This is like finding out the Pokemon Company is making the next Halo. Imagine the dude who buys the high end model and the streaming handheld and is just decked out in this shit on day one. I'm floating on air.
The growing pains of going on to PC are usually just screamed into the void until the user either adapts or goes back to console(usually a friend group helps them adapt, the same group that helped them build or pick out the PC). When you give them extra stores there are more moving parts, more outages, more problems to deal with, more time spent on your hardware than with your hardware. Also there is a uniform hardware tax on PC games so the specs need to be better to achieve the same result. This may be eventually mitigated by presets but for 3 separate storefronts at least? Shit could get spicy for those wanting to explore their new hardware ecosystem. Lots of things will be untested on day 1, I imagine. Would they allow user mods? Will this be free enough to accumulate Windows rot?
In this case MS customer support would have to deal with it. Cheating and piracy too. Don't forget about those.
Xbox isn't great at hardware imo. Shit exists, user is not the priority. This could be comedy gold. It's a bad plan imho, they should just go 3rd party sans hardware, but let's see what happens. I insist this get a chance to launch.
Also, will Xbox people change to Windows Gamer people over time? Will they stop playing slate releases? Will they migrate to older, f2p titles? Will they dump gamepass? Why would they even use the Microsoft store if the device ran steam unencumbered? If the PS6 is just an upgraded PS5, this will be a very interesting device indeed. If the PS6 is $699.99 discless + 100 bucks for the drive and this microsoft console comes in 2 skus, a XSS shitty one for 700 bucks and a premium edition for $1,200.00 would you be willing to give it a shot? What about my physical Xbox games? Can I play those? Separate purchase required? There are just so many avenues that this can go wrong on. It delights the mind. Microsoft is not the company to juggle this successfully. This is like finding out the Pokemon Company is making the next Halo. Imagine the dude who buys the high end model and the streaming handheld and is just decked out in this shit on day one. I'm floating on air.
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Shaki12345
Banned
I was advised to stay away from that thread.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Then the Steam Box would've been successful.
So who is it for? Which PC gamers are clamoring for a streamlined Xbox UI, or to use anything other than Steam? And why would anyone who has no interest in the current Xbox consoles have any interest in a much more expensive PC masquarading as a Xbox?
One thing is for sure, if MS marketing really tries to pass this off as their next "console" and continues to go at Sony's throat, Sony will delist all of their PC games in a heartbeat.
Shaki12345
Banned
It wasn't the right time.
If Valve puts out a console that can run Steam OS and your library for like 500$, it will sell.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And what do you think would be the power of this thing at a mere $500?
People will be in the "my PC is too old" camp right quick.
Skifi28
Member
I struggle to think what Microsoft has to gain from having Steam on their "console". At that point you're looking at making money mostly from hardware, which you can't subsidize anymore so high prices and low volume of sales. So not much money from hardware.
Edit: The only way it makes sense to me is if Microsoft just wants out of the hardware game and this is the trojan horse to transition their users to PC and not lose the gamepass revenue. So probably not a platform to directly make money from.
Edit: The only way it makes sense to me is if Microsoft just wants out of the hardware game and this is the trojan horse to transition their users to PC and not lose the gamepass revenue. So probably not a platform to directly make money from.
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Shaki12345
Banned
It isn't a PC. If you want a PC buy a PC. This is a Steam Box for the masses.
They can sell one for 500 and 700 with different specs or maybe changeable parts. Lots of people want to play PC games but they don't want the tinkering and high prices.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Yup. 800 dollar plus consoles are the future.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The tinkering and complication of a pc is so overstated it's incredible really. My 11 year old plays just fine on my PC. She doesn't touch my consoles.
Topher
Identifies as young
What does any of this have to do with the thread? There is no Steam Box. Not even a rumor of one.
Shaki12345
Banned
Xbox with Steam integration is almost a Steam Box.
FrankWza
Member
If you petition phil now, you can have this classified as a console. And since it's going to sell 200 million it will be in a class of its own and never be stricken from the history of 100 million sellers
Topher
Identifies as young
You still haven't read the OP, have you?
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
If this allows me to update W11, turn on some option in the system settings and then have my PC act like a console, it'll be perfect.
bitbydeath
Member
This is exactly what I've been saying the next Xbox would be for months/year or more.
Writing was on the wall a long time ago.
Writing was on the wall a long time ago.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The masses didn't even buy the affordable (at the time) Xbox.
Steam masses will have their PC and always have their PC with a tinkering of the novelty item Steam Deck here and there.
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Lionel Richie
Member
Calling bullshit on the Xbox emulator but man oh man I'd love to see that and what the community could do with it.
Shaki12345
Banned
It turns out I missed some key information.
loktaiextatus
Member
Blue dragon.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can't have your Steam Library on console unless they port every PC version to an Xbox version. But doing that we would get back to an Xbox and Series S/X are already a thing.
Shaki12345
Banned
I mean a "console" that would run PC games with optimized settings like Steam Deck.