(eXtas1s) Potentially Lots of New Info on Next Xbox(es)
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Punished Miku
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If you're not on Xbox, I assume you would pass. If you have a thousand or so titles already on Xbox and frequently use GP, you might want to keep that going and just add everything Steam and Epic has on top. Your choice.
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This can't happen due to legal reasons.
Also extas1s is a fraud and I wish people would stop listening to him.
StereoVsn
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That would only make sense with Xbox Next. Anyone with a PC wouldn't want to introduce another layer.
Personally I have some doubts on their ability to implement but overall this is a good direction.
I would love to be able to play Xbox titles on PC. That still doesn't help with physical disks of course, especially for games that aren't available on Xbox store but are still BC.
mayham2199
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That is the easy part I agree. It's the rest of the functionality that I'm wondering about.
Holammer
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I'd love it if the system had a button/button combination that plopped you out in Windows 11, where you can install web browser of choice, torrent software, video player or emulators and do whatever you want with it. Like a Steam Deck, but with Ring-0 locked down.
Traditional console users would be confused and afraid of this freedom, but I believe the best of people, so I think they'd cope with it eventually.
Traditional console users would be confused and afraid of this freedom, but I believe the best of people, so I think they'd cope with it eventually.
Fbh
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As someone how likes using PCs connected to my TV, some sort of Windows Big picture mode optimized for controllers would be nice.
I guess they just want to put as many systems out there where they can sell games, and ensure Windows stays the dominant gaming OS.
The pricing of the system (assuming any of this is true) will also be interesting. Consoles are usually kept cheap because the real money maker is the cut the get from all the software sold on them (+free multiplayer). If they are just going to allow people to buy games from an external store where they get no cut and you can play online for free, then you need to actually make money from the hardware.
I guess they just want to put as many systems out there where they can sell games, and ensure Windows stays the dominant gaming OS.
The pricing of the system (assuming any of this is true) will also be interesting. Consoles are usually kept cheap because the real money maker is the cut the get from all the software sold on them (+free multiplayer). If they are just going to allow people to buy games from an external store where they get no cut and you can play online for free, then you need to actually make money from the hardware.
DeepEnigma
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And PC gamers will stick to the PC, and PS gamers to PS.
We are in the same situation as this gen, only now with costing more monies.
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DeepEnigma
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FTFY
Sebastian1295
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I don't understand who the target audience is for this exactly. Console users buy consoles cause they don't wanna deal with different storefronts or anything that remotely involves or resembles a PC. This seems like they're making the steam machine 2 and we know how much of a bomb that was.
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Zacfoldor
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Basically all shit we already knew.
A multiplatorm(steam, EGS, Microsoft Store) PC with a windows install that opens steam in MS's version of big picture mode on launch, has a new Xbox control and a new Xbox portal as addons, and also emulates your current Xbox library.
It will not be "upgradable" as those things are not preferable from the designers point of view(I assume storage expansion would be possible and probably all range of USB input devices). Letting it use most off the shelf parts would be prohibitively expensive. This will be bespoke hardware is my guess. It will look less like a PC and more like a console. ARM architecture? Hopefully.
Wrap it up with a new controller, an entry level model, a version with VR goggles, and an Xbox portal launching around the same time and it could be an enticing package to the type of gamer that wants to stick with Xbox or just move to PC.
Pricing is very much a question in my mind. Also sustainability, in which I mean that I don't think these MS PCs will follow the console cycle. Rather they will likely be as they launch for many years without a defined time or need to upgrade them. In essence, this is a starter PC. "My first PC for gamers" and after this one I can only imagine MS would rather wash their hands of the messy hardware portion and just become platform agnostic. That also means they can really charge whatever they want for this since they would actually prefer you already have a device to play gamepass on. I can't imaging they would be able to mark this thing up to the point of profitability. The whole concept of this device seems designed to humor the gaming market rather than truly be a part of it. This is intended to be a transitional device. Reminds me of a meme. The one where you have MS over here writing a 20 million word essay about how they are going to make your gaming future great while Nintendo and Sony are out here playing King Von Armed and Dangerous.
A multiplatorm(steam, EGS, Microsoft Store) PC with a windows install that opens steam in MS's version of big picture mode on launch, has a new Xbox control and a new Xbox portal as addons, and also emulates your current Xbox library.
It will not be "upgradable" as those things are not preferable from the designers point of view(I assume storage expansion would be possible and probably all range of USB input devices). Letting it use most off the shelf parts would be prohibitively expensive. This will be bespoke hardware is my guess. It will look less like a PC and more like a console. ARM architecture? Hopefully.
Wrap it up with a new controller, an entry level model, a version with VR goggles, and an Xbox portal launching around the same time and it could be an enticing package to the type of gamer that wants to stick with Xbox or just move to PC.
Pricing is very much a question in my mind. Also sustainability, in which I mean that I don't think these MS PCs will follow the console cycle. Rather they will likely be as they launch for many years without a defined time or need to upgrade them. In essence, this is a starter PC. "My first PC for gamers" and after this one I can only imagine MS would rather wash their hands of the messy hardware portion and just become platform agnostic. That also means they can really charge whatever they want for this since they would actually prefer you already have a device to play gamepass on. I can't imaging they would be able to mark this thing up to the point of profitability. The whole concept of this device seems designed to humor the gaming market rather than truly be a part of it. This is intended to be a transitional device. Reminds me of a meme. The one where you have MS over here writing a 20 million word essay about how they are going to make your gaming future great while Nintendo and Sony are out here playing King Von Armed and Dangerous.
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Sebastian1295
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Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
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jm89
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I can't see this having access to Steam, would default the purpose of selling the hardware at a loss. Likely Microsoft are implementing Win32 support, allowing for existing games to run that are on the Microsoft Store. However the ARM rumors will put a spanner in the works, unless that's just for the handheld.
rodrigolfp
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What legal reasons? "3rd party" emulators are legal but "1st party" is not??
DeepEnigma
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MS willing to bypass the entire reason these consoles exist? Online walled garden subscription models which makes up the bulk of their Xbox revenue?
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Fess
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Steam and Epic integration combined with console-like shell is interesting!
Having the full Gamepass experience while also having Steam and Epic in a slick UI. That's the real deal, that's what I want.
I'm currently adding Gamepass and Epic games manually into Steam and that's not optimal.
Xbox emulation on PC. Awesome!
Increased PC Gamepass price? Yeah not a fan of that.
Having the full Gamepass experience while also having Steam and Epic in a slick UI. That's the real deal, that's what I want.
I'm currently adding Gamepass and Epic games manually into Steam and that's not optimal.
Xbox emulation on PC. Awesome!
Increased PC Gamepass price? Yeah not a fan of that.
ResilientBanana
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These rumors are great if true.
Sebastian1295
Member
MS willing to bypass the entire reason these consoles exist? Online walled garden subscription models which is the bulk of their Xbox revenue?
Ya like you're just killing your revenue even more and for what benefit exactly? The strategy makes absolutely 0 sense and there's no upside to this. I can't even come up with a positive for doing this.
IntentionalPun
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Only interesting topic is the Xbox emulator; everything else is a big "who cares?"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Unless the shareholders are allowing them to burn even more money to "spend the competition out of business."
BlackTron
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Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
The point is to carry the torch of the brand forward while going third party. It's not some pillar of money pillaging.
Imagine if Sega desperately needed to show sales on games but also had infinite money to waste so they pretended Dreamcast hadn't died by making a PC called Dreamcast 2. Here we are.
It also leaves some small chance/hope that maybe someday in the future their fortunes will be reversed and they can rake it in as a platform holder again. They will keep life support on just in case the moment arrives to execute Order 66, because the alternative is to live in complete abandonment of all "career moments" and then Phil would look even more beaten during PR stunts.
IntentionalPun
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What makes you think MS plans to sell what amount to Windows PC at a loss?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Same buyers of Deck, Ally, etc and anyone who wants to see that light too now.
Same places where their games already are (Steam, MS Store) plus maybe the hardware.
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DenchDeckard
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Because they've not had a serious thing to separate themselves from the market leader. They need something original to drive interest.
Will this be it. Probably not, but at least they are trying to differentiate.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
It's not gonna be subsidized like a console and will be expensive as fuck. How does any prebuilt PC or laptop company make money?
Sebastian1295
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I feel like this strategy will actually persuade people to go to playstation and nintendo even more because console users and casual players aren't going to wanna deal with different storefronts and all this crap on a console. Add in that xbox has lost a massive amount of mindshare and public goodwill from going third party, and you got an absolute disaster on your hands. I feel bad for the marketing team as well for having to market a bomb like this and trying to make it sound appealing.
Punished Miku
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I had $2000 set aside a year ago. People should be planning for buying a PC if they want this. There's no more hardware subsidy.
DeepEnigma
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Zacfoldor
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Look up S mode for Windows. That'll be what we probably get if it isn't totally locked down.
Sebastian1295
Member
They can't sell a series S right now and they were consistently on sale for like 300 or below. How in the hell are they going to sell this thing for 800 to 1000 plus?? There's no way in hell that anyone is going to bite on that.
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Sebastian1295
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The deck and ally make up about 0000000000000000.1% of the marketshare currently. The deck hasn't even sold 10 million units or close to it has it? And the ally has sold almost nothing and is insanely niche. And if someone buys a microsoft game from the steam store instead of there own then microsoft lost 30% of there profit from doing so. This is a disaster in the making.
Horseganador
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Putting a platform as powerful as Steam into the Xbox ecosystem will only destroy the brand completely and forever. Steam will take all the money from third parties and 30% of everything first-party Xbox products as well.
Sebastian1295
Member
They should've cut bait with gamepass years ago when it started to stagnate. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knew that there was 0 chance of it succeeding and that microsoft/phils hopes of getting to 100 million subscribers was a pipe dream that had no chance of ever happening. They should've reversed course on it before it sunk the brand to the depths of despair which it currently resides.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
PC handhelds have their "own" market. Just like Asus, MSI, etc MS wants a pie of that market.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It would make no sense to subsidize a prebuilt PC from the Surface team. Only way it makes sense is as a walled garden where youre forced to use their store, which this won't be. They're gonna have to make money on already expensive hardware.
Sebastian1295
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That market is so small that it barely exists. The switch 2 is coming out and it's going to eat that market for breakfast and spit it out and if sony decide to release a handheld too then good luck. Pc handhelds r niche niche niche and that's a market that currently isn't profitable nor worth exploring unless you wanna lose alot of money.
Magic Carpet
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Sounds like the only thing exclusive will be saves and achievements.
Punished Miku
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I really don't get why people can't follow the logic. Xbox Series consoles are done. Assuming they do nothing, that means 100% of sales will be on other stores and losing 30% to the store owner. Let's say these systems are sold for a profit, and get 10 million sales. That's 10 million more sales without losing 30% than they would have had otherwise, and it will make GP available, which isn't the case for PS or Switch where it's not allowed. They lose literally nothing. A few employees working on emulation and using the surface team to make the hardware.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Every market at their beginning is small and has to start from somewhere.
IntentionalPun
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What makes you think MS is going to sell what amounts to a Windows PC for a loss?
Sebastian1295
Member
I just can't see anyone buying hardware that expensive and especially the casual crowd and even the hardcore crowd. The economy everywhere is rough right now, and launching an expensive machine into it, especially considering how weak the xbox brand is right now is going to be a disaster. I think this has a 0% chance of succeeding and they're fools for going this route.
coffinbirth
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Format Wars says helllllooooooo.
You are comparing current technology with decades old formats. Literally NONE of your examples are true anymore because those mediums are no longer solely represented in those formats, if at all.
Exclusives exist for all A/V mediums outside of piracy.
You're not watching Stranger Things on HBO MAX and you're not listening to Howard Stern on terrestrial radio. Shit has ben true for DECADES now.
But I agree, getting one machine to play all of the games(save for Switch 2...for now) is probably the only reasonable step forwards for most.
Sebastian1295
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The truth is that it's come to this because of gamepass and the failure of gamepass to sustain the xbox division. Gamepass has destroyed the brand and lead to these baffling decisions.