DeepEnigma
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Just seems like you can make MS Store your home base.

Just seems like you can make MS Store your home base.
If you're not on Xbox, I assume you would pass. If you have a thousand or so titles already on Xbox and frequently use GP, you might want to keep that going and just add everything Steam and Epic has on top. Your choice.
This can't happen due to legal reasons.Xbox Emulation on PC
- An Xbox emulator for Windows (x64 architecture) is in development, allowing users to play their Xbox library on PC by emulating the console rather than running native PC ports of the games.
That would only make sense with Xbox Next. Anyone with a PC wouldn't want to introduce another layer.That's the best part. You only need the microsoft store to download Steam and just do everything there.
Its like when you open edge on your new computer to get chrome... but with videogames.
That's the best part. You only need the microsoft store to download Steam and just do everything there.
Its like when you open edge on your new computer to get chrome... but with videogames.
Its a PC.
If its a cheap and suitably high mid-range (if you get what I mean) then sign me up.
Still don't get how this benefits MS though. Everyone will just buy games from steam and get free shit on Epic. They'll bypass the windows store (or whatever the fuck its called this year) 2/3 of the time. How does that help them make money because the hardware will likely be sold at break-even or at a loss?
And PC gamers will stick to the PC, and PS gamers to PS.If you're not on Xbox, I assume you would pass. If you have a thousand or so titles already on Xbox and frequently use GP, you might want to keep that going and just add everything Steam and Epic has on top. Your choice.
FTFYIf this is true then the next Xbox isn't a console. It is an Xbox PC™
If this is true then the next Xbox isn't a console. It is a PC
Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
What legal reasons? "3rd party" emulators are legal but "1st party" is not??This can't happen due to legal reasons.
MS willing to bypass the entire reason these consoles exist? Online walled garden subscription models which makes up the bulk of their Xbox revenue?I can't see this having access to Steam, would default the purpose of selling the hardware at a loss. Likely Microsoft are implementing Win32 support, allowing for existing games to run that are on the Microsoft Store. However the ARM rumors will put a spanner in the works, unless that's just for the handheld.
MS willing to bypass the entire reason these consoles exist? Online walled garden subscription models which is the bulk of their Xbox revenue?
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Unless the shareholders are allowing them to burn even more money to "spend the competition out of business."Ya like you're just killing your revenue even more and for what benefit exactly? The strategy makes absolutely 0 sense and there's no upside to this. I can't even come up with a positive for doing this.
Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
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What makes you think MS plans to sell what amount to Windows PC at a loss?I can't see this having access to Steam, would default the purpose of selling the hardware at a loss. Likely Microsoft are implementing Win32 support, allowing for existing games to run that are on the Microsoft Store. However the ARM rumors will put a spanner in the works, unless that's just for the handheld.
Same buyers of Deck, Ally, etc and anyone who wants to see that light too now.I don't understand who the target audience is for this exactly. Console users buy consoles cause they don't wanna deal with different storefronts or anything that remotely involves or resembles a PC. This seems like they're making the steam machine 2 and we know how much of a bomb that was.
Same places where their games already are (Steam, MS Store) plus maybe the hardware.Where's the profit to be made from this exactly?
They can't even sell their current Xboxes.
Where's the profit to be made from this exactly? Like how do you even make a profit from going this route? The point of a console is to get u into there ecosystem so you can buy games from there storefront, buy accessories, etc. If you're allowing people to buy games from different storefronts then you're losing all source of revenue at this juncture lol. This is a decision you make when you wanna bankrupt your brand.
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Unless the shareholders are allowing them to burn even more money to "spend the competition out of business."
I had $2000 set aside a year ago. People should be planning for buying a PC if they want this. There's no more hardware subsidy.What makes you think MS plans to sell what amount to Windows PC at a loss?
No.Because they've not had a serious thing to separate themselves from the market leader. They need something original to drive interest.
Will this be it. Probably not, but at least they are trying to differentiate.
Look up S mode for Windows. That'll be what we probably get if it isn't totally locked down.I'd love it if the system had a button/button combination that plopped you out in Windows 11, where you can install web browser of choice, torrent software, video player or emulators and do whatever you want with it. Like a Steam Deck, but with Ring-0 locked down.
Traditional console users would be confused and afraid of this freedom, but I believe the best of people, so I think they'd cope with it eventually.
It's not gonna be subsidized like a console and will be expensive as fuck. How does any prebuilt PC or laptop company make money?
Same buyers of Deck, Ally, etc and anyone who wants to see that light too now.
Same places where their games already are (Steam, MS Store) plus maybe the hardware.
The point is to carry the torch of the brand forward while going third party. It's not some pillar of money pillaging.
Imagine if Sega desperately needed to show sales on games but also had infinite money to waste so they pretended Dreamcast hadn't died by making a PC called Dreamcast 2. Here we are.
It also leaves some small chance/hope that maybe someday in the future their fortunes will be reversed and they can rake it in as a platform holder again. They will keep life support on just in case the moment arrives to execute Order 66, because the alternative is to live in complete abandonment of all "career moments" and then Phil would look even more beaten during PR stunts.
PC handhelds have their "own" market. Just like Asus, MSI, etc MS wants a pie of that market.The deck and ally make up about 0000000000000000.1% of the marketshare currently. The deck hasn't even sold 10 million units or close to it has it? And the ally has sold almost nothing and is insanely niche. And if someone buys a microsoft game from the steam store instead of there own then microsoft lost 30% of there profit from doing so. This is a disaster in the making.
They can't sell a series S right now and they were consistently on sale for like 300 or below. How in the hell are they going to sell this thing for 800 to 1000 plus?? There's no way in hell that anyone is going to bite on that.
PC handhelds have their "own" market. Just like Asus, MSI, etc MS wants a pie of that market.
I really don't get why people can't follow the logic. Xbox Series consoles are done. Assuming they do nothing, that means 100% of sales will be on other stores and losing 30% to the store owner. Let's say these systems are sold for a profit, and get 10 million sales. That's 10 million more sales without losing 30% than they would have had otherwise, and it will make GP available, which isn't the case for PS or Switch where it's not allowed. They lose literally nothing. A few employees working on emulation and using the surface team to make the hardware.The deck and ally make up about 0000000000000000.1% of the marketshare currently. The deck hasn't even sold 10 million units or close to it has it? And the ally has sold almost nothing and is insanely niche. And if someone buys a microsoft game from the steam store instead of there own then microsoft lost 30% of there profit from doing so. This is a disaster in the making.
Every market at their beginning is small and has to start from somewhere.That market is so small that it barely exists. The switch 2 is coming out and it's going to eat that market for breakfast and spit it out and if sony decide to release a handheld too then good luck. Pc handhelds r niche niche niche and that's a market that currently isn't profitable nor worth exploring unless you wanna lose alot of money.
What makes you think MS is going to sell what amounts to a Windows PC for a loss?I can't see this having access to Steam, would default the purpose of selling the hardware at a loss. Likely Microsoft are implementing Win32 support, allowing for existing games to run that are on the Microsoft Store. However the ARM rumors will put a spanner in the works, unless that's just for the handheld.
It would make no sense to subsidize a prebuilt PC from the Surface team. Only way it makes sense is as a walled garden where youre forced to use their store, which this won't be. They're gonna have to make money on already expensive hardware.
Format Wars says helllllooooooo.Warriors? Getting 1 machine and being able to play all the games was the only reasonable way to go around this. Games is the only audiovisual medium that doesn't work like this.
Grab a Radio, get all the channels
Buy a DVD, all movies play on it
Get a Stereo system, all CD play regadless of the record label
If you want people to have to spend thousand of dollars to play all the games they may like or make choices around it the warmonger is you lmao
Every market at their beginning is small and has to start from somewhere.