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[Jobbs]

Which game for Christmas?

FF15 or The Last Guardian?

I'll be content with either, just need opinions to make up my mind lol

TLG

Those games only come around every 10 years

 

[Nerdkiller]

 

[trab pu kcip]

Which game for Christmas?

FF15 or The Last Guardian?

I'll be content with either, just need opinions to make up my mind lol

Last Guardian!

 

[Little Mons†er]

Get a bottle of Jack, more fun than with both games combined

Alcohol is a definite no matter what!

TLG

Those games only come around every 10 years

A mess because TLG actually did take 10 years

Leaning more towards TLG tbh, quality is important at the end of the day!

 

[Josh with a J]

Is last guardian just like a puzzle game?

Really thought it was a rpg when I first read about it lol

 

[Ceallach]

XV is really good. But TLG is so unique.

If you wait, you'll probably be able to get XV cheap in 6 months, but TLG probably won't go down in price.

Also, I saw that Call of Duty comes with a free DS4 now, lol.

Bomba of all bombas.

 

[Numb]

Wii U dead and Nintendo still won't put the game prices down years later
smh

 

[liliththepale]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content. But I'm sure its sequel being in development hell, put on ice twice, getting ported to a new system and all that will improve its odds. I'm sure the people who've described its controls as archaic and frustrating just needed more than an hour to adjust. Can we even trust modern journalists? They're always giving good scores to games like Uncharted.

 

[Josh with a J]

Never played shadow but I can pretend.

That game was amazing

 

[Numb]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content.

 

[trab pu kcip]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content. But I'm sure its sequel being in development hell, put on ice twice, getting ported to a new system and all that will improve its odds. I'm sure the people who've described its controls as archaic and frustrating just needed more than an hour to adjust. Can we even trust modern journalists? They're always giving good scores to games like Uncharted.

woah...

 

[Ceallach]

Wii U dead and Nintendo still won't put the game prices down years later
smh

Because Nintendo games always retain their value. There is no reason to drop them. FFS a loose disc copy of melee goes for $50.

 

[Risgroo]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content.

hissss

 

[Jobbs]

haha

I liked SOTC but it's also been a really long time since I've played it. I don't really care what "journalists" say about games, reviews are almost completely pointless due to how subjective these experiences are. I'll get TLG and form my own opinion, thx

 

[Vazra]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content. But I'm sure its sequel being in development hell, put on ice twice, getting ported to a new system and all that will improve its odds. I'm sure the people who've described its controls as archaic and frustrating just needed more than an hour to adjust. Can we even trust modern journalists? They're always giving good scores to games like Uncharted.

I own it and I didnt touch it thanks to Ico not keeping me interested. Hearing this doesnt surprise me.

 

[trab pu kcip]

SotC isn't just a game. it's a unique experience.

 

[Risgroo]

I own it and I didnt touch it thanks to Ico not keeping me interested. Hearing this doesnt surprise me.

They're nothing alike, really. Ico is one of the dullest games I've ever played, while SotC is in my top 10.

Give it a shot!

 

[Jobbs]

I look at the games that got the absolute highest review scores -- Like MGS4 with its 10/10 at IGN -- And they're almost always games I don't like. Reviews just barely have any utility.

 

[Ceallach]

I look at the games that got the absolute highest review scores -- Like MGS4 with its 10/10 at IGN -- And they're almost always games I don't like. Reviews just barely have any utility.

Same.

And games journalism is a joke. They are so in bed with the fucking publishers and there is no real criticism. The amount of perfect scores given out is stupid. Nothing is ever really analyzed.

 

[Horse Detective]

I think I just became a little gay

Stills of Chris Evans always give me hope that I would look okay with a shaved head.

 

[Vazra]

SotC isn't just a game. it's a unique experience.

They're nothing alike, really. Ico is one of the dullest games I've ever played, while SotC is in my top 10.

Give it a shot!

My ps3 is in PR so maybe when I get the system herr I may give it a try. Ico was so fucking boring tho

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Shadow of the Colossus was an ugly, buggy mess with barely any content.

Burn this post

 

[Vazra]

Also game journalism can suck it. I have more fun from the average or poorly rated jrpgs and action games than Uncharted most Western RPGs and Bethesda RPGs take the fucking cake in I dont get why those shits get rated so high when they are shitty as fuck

 

[Jobbs]

Same.

And games journalism is a joke. They are so in bed with the fucking publishers and there is no real criticism. The amount of perfect scores given out is stupid. Nothing is ever really analyzed.

Bioshock Infinite with a 94 on metacritic? SMDH. The game was absolutely *horrible*. Like I'd give it a 4/10 if I reviewed it and had to assign a score. Maybe lower. I hated it. Boring, unexciting FPS with a terrible, nauseatingly stupid story.

The only utility reviews have is identifying truly abysmal or broken games. Anything else is too subjective.

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

I wanna send mushy love notes to Jobbsy

 

[trab pu kcip]

I wanna send mushy love notes to Jobbsy

Get in line

 

[DrM]

A lot of 'reviewers' only care what they will receive from publisher in return of good score

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

Get in line

No

 

[trab pu kcip]

No

😮

 

[liliththepale]

A lot of 'reviewers' only care what they will receive from publisher in return of good score

You can't honestly believe this. Hundreds if not thousands of people would be complicit in this scam and not one of them speaks up about it? Yeah okay.

SotC isn't just a game. it's a unique experience.

So is anal probing! 😍

 

[Nomadic Sparks]

So is anal probing! 😍

I knew I liked you for a good goddamned reason.

 

[Professor Beef]

Leaning more towards TLG tbh, quality is important at the end of the day!

> Last Guardian
> quality

pick one

 

[Jobbs]

I haven't gotten mushy love notes in a long time... a long time

 

[Horse Detective]

People in gaming side always put up long development times as a death sentence because of expectation.

I genuinely believe that is a criticism of the consumer, not the game. In the sense that if HL3 is ever released, I wont measure the game's merit as quality/time. I would rather do some self assessment and conclude the solar system doesn't revolve around my ass.

 

[Misha]

You can't honestly believe this. Hundreds if not thousands of people would be complicit in this scam and not one of them speaks up about it? Yeah okay.

There have been reviewers that mentioned harsh reviews could affect their relationship with the company tho.


Though I'm sure varied tastes cause different reviews more than anything (and stuff like limited amount of time to review it)

 

[Risgroo]

So how about some games that weren't received well that you actually do like? That's much more fun

I have a weird thing for Star Wars Bounty Hunter on the Gamecube, hah. Still play through that game every now and then.

 

[Misha]

So how about some games that weren't received well that you actually do like? That's much more fun

I have a weird thing for Star Wars Bounty Hunter on the Gamecube, hah. Still play through that game every now and then.

Star Wars bounty hunter was fun.

Makes zam wessel have something behind her too

 

[Professor Beef]

You can't honestly believe this. Hundreds if not thousands of people would be complicit in this scam and not one of them speaks up about it? Yeah okay.

Reviewers getting goodies in exchange for good scores has been a thing for quite a number of years, and a few people have spoken about it. People don't give a damn because gaming journalism is largely a cesspool.

 

[liliththepale]

There have been reviewers that mentioned harsh reviews could affect their relationship with the company tho.


Though I'm sure varied tastes cause different reviews more than anything (and stuff like limited amount of time to review it)

Reviewers getting goodies in exchange for good scores has been a thing for quite a number of years, and a few people have spoken about it. People don't give a damn because gaming journalism is largely a cesspool.

There's a huge difference between this and "only care about what the developer gives you". It's quite possible and incredibly common to both like a game and appreciate the developer doing something special for you.

Here's what actually happens. Company X wants to review Y game. Company X knows that employee A is more inclined to like Y than employee B will. A reviews Y well. B's less friendly and less relevant review goes unposted. Ta-da.

I haven't gotten mushy love notes in a long time... a long time

I ran out of paper.

 

[trab pu kcip]

You can't honestly believe this. Hundreds if not thousands of people would be complicit in this scam and not one of them speaks up about it? Yeah okay.


So is anal probing! 😍

Eh it is kinda known? Not saying every single review has been bribed into existence but with big companies/titles there's definitely some dependency going on

 

[Jobbs]

I don't think reviewing is pure but I doubt there's outright bribing going on. I'm not sure what all has changed, but my memory of it was a lot of young people who wanted to work in the games industry/PR rubbing elbows adn going to parties with people from the games industry and PR.

As a reviewer for IGN I was pressured to change scores several times or change the way I described things --- seeing behind the curtain revealed a lot of silly bullshit -- but, again, this was like around the year 2000 and things could be different now

I ran out of paper.

It's okay 🐴

 

[Ceallach]

Reviewers getting goodies in exchange for good scores has been a thing for quite a number of years, and a few people have spoken about it. People don't give a damn because gaming journalism is largely a cesspool.

Yeah, it's well documented. The Kane & Lynch scandal from a few years ago. As well as outlets like Destructoid who no longer recieve review copies for giving reviews that were out of line from what they wanted (and got everywhere else).

 

[DrM]

You can't honestly believe this. Hundreds if not thousands of people would be complicit in this scam and not one of them speaks up about it? Yeah okay.

Well, believe what you wish, but I know what I am talking about, been working on console web page as a hobby for almost 16 years and even we received 'friendly tips' about certain reviews (which we ignored and lost distributor support). I used a word 'a lot', which does not mean that every reviewer is a crooked bastard. But there are nice ways to 'buy' a score if both sides will comply. (Jobbs can get me a nurse or two for a night and I will give his game 10/10 with ease )

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

There have been reviewers that mentioned harsh reviews could affect their relationship with the company tho.


Though I'm sure varied tastes cause different reviews more than anything (and stuff like limited amount of time to review it)

In most cases they just buy them on their own.

YouTube and streamers on the other hand, was pretty much a free for all until the FTC came down on them.


Some people have no integrity or ethics and become dr Oz

 

[Professor Beef]

There's a huge difference between this and "only care about what the developer gives you". It's quite possible and incredibly common to both like a game and appreciate the developer doing something special for you.

Here's what actually happens. Company X wants to review Y game. Company X knows that employee A is more inclined to like Y than employee B will. A reviews Y well. B's less friendly and less relevant review goes unposted. Ta-da.

I don't recall saying all reviews are like that, just that it is a thing that happens.

 

[trab pu kcip]

the gaming world is not corrupted by the evils of capitalism at all. Everyone is free and independent. It's not about selling stuff, cmon!

 

[Jobbs]

Well, believe what you wish, but I know what I am talking about, been working on console web page as a hobby for almost 16 years. I used a word 'a lot', which does not mean that every reviewer is a crooked bastard. But there are nice ways to 'buy' a score if both sides will comply. (Jobbs can get me a nurse or two for a night and I will give his game 10/10 with ease )

I don't have access to nurses anymore

But yes, reviewing is all kinds of bullshit. I would advise not listening to reviews unless you know a lot about the reviewer and understand how to contextualize their opinion.

 

[liliththepale]

So the answer to TLG not previewing well is that all those people who have been looking forward to it for a decade just aren't getting bribed enough?

 

[Professor Beef]

So the answer to TLG not previewing well is that all those people who have been looking forward to it for a decade just aren't getting bribed enough?

Calm down. Again, nobody is saying that all (p)reviews are like that.

 

[Misha]

In most cases they just buy them on their own.

YouTube and streamers on the other hand, was pretty much a free for all until the FTC came down on them.


Some people have no integrity or ethics and become dr Oz

There's way more to it than just buying the thing to review. It's more that the site or whatever wants to get quotes and interviews and run exclusive articles on companies and stuff and companies can hold that over their head to influence reviews


That sort of thing definitely happens in the NHL. There was a lot of emails that got out last year from a law suit and you could see exactly how the journalists would interact with the league and teams. The journalists used their own leverage also but generally a lot of it left a bad taste in people's mouths about even the more respected journalists