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[Amir0x]

I'm just glad you can run for president while being under criminal investigation by the FBI. Abuelas breaking so many barriers.

It's a good thing that innocent until proven guilty is a thing in this country, especially before someone is(n't) even indicted for the crime in question. It sure would suck to be prevented from exercising your constitutional rights because someone falsely accused you of a crime.

But hey, we'll sing this song while we pretend Trump University isn't a case actually likely to yield results. 'Cause we're not ALL massive hypocrites.

 

[Mattenth]

It's a good thing that innocent until proven guilty is a thing in this country

Psh, that only extends to court rooms. The court of public opinion certainly isn't that way. See OJ Simpson, false rape accusations, etc.

Hillary has a track record of being comfortable with lying to the American public. See sniper fire in Bosnia, or "I was named after the first person to climb Mt. Everest."

The fact that voters are saying Trump is more honest and trustworthy in polls seems to indicate that Hillary has forfeit the presumption of innocence to much of the public.

 

[Random17]

Psh, that only extends to court rooms. The court of public opinion certainly isn't that way. See OJ Simpson, false rape accusations, etc.

Hillary has a track record of being comfortable with lying to the American public. See sniper fire in Bosnia, or "I was named after the first person to climb Mt. Everest."

I can't tell if you are being matter of fact with this post, or completely serious.

Anyway, if Hillary escapes from this then r/politics will move onto the Clinton Foundation.

 

[Amir0x]

Psh, that only extends to court rooms. The court of public opinion certainly isn't that way. See OJ Simpson, false rape accusations, etc.

Hillary has a track record of being comfortable with lying to the American public. See sniper fire in Bosnia, or "I was named after the first person to climb Mt. Everest."

The fact that voters are saying Trump is more honest and trustworthy in polls seems to indicate that Hillary has forfeit the presumption of innocence to much of the public.

That's not the point. I could not give a good fuck what percentage of Americans find Hillary dishonest, because she's going to win the presidency. Their view is irrelevant to me.

What I care about was the implication that it's somehow obscene that someone being investigated run for President. There are about a zillion reasons someone could be investigated and some involve totally innocent people. If Hillary broke no laws (which the legal community almost unanimously agrees is the case), she therefore should feel zero shame to run for President.

Some people think she's dishonest. *Thumbs up*. We're running against Donald Trump, this isn't a joke. You do what you like with your vote.

 

[HStallion]

Psh, that only extends to court rooms. The court of public opinion certainly isn't that way. See OJ Simpson, false rape accusations, etc.

Hillary has a track record of being comfortable with lying to the American public. See sniper fire in Bosnia, or "I was named after the first person to climb Mt. Everest."

The fact that voters are saying Trump is more honest and trustworthy in polls seems to indicate that Hillary has forfeit the presumption of innocence to much of the public.

At the end of the day I look at it like this. Who would I rather have controlling our nuclear arsenal? A corporate shill with some trust issues or the demagoge riding a wave or antiestablishment foolishness on a platform of hate, ignorance, xenophobia and pure grade A bull shit who is known for over reacting and being a thin skinned jack ass? Yeah I'll be voting for Hillary even if I'm not the biggest fan because there is no way I want Trump anywhere near the option to end the human race in global nuclear war because he over reacted when Putin called him a coward with bad hair and small hands.

 

[Wallach]

The fact that she's being interviewed now is worse. If there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they wouldn't have bothered to interview her.

The completely voluntary interview she's been offering the FBI for months is a sign that they have evidence of wrongdoing? Okay.

 

[Mattenth]

What I care about was the implication that it's somehow obscene that someone being investigated run for President. There are about a zillion reasons someone could be investigated and some involve totally innocent people. If Hillary broke no laws (which the legal community almost unanimously agrees is the case), she therefore should feel zero shame to run for President.

How far does that reasoning go, though?

If Hillary were indicted, would you still support her as the Democratic nominee? Would you still extend her a full presumption of innocence?

I don't think it's unreasonable for someone being investigated to run for President. I mean, Trump keeps touting that he's being audited, which is essentially an investigation (albeit a bit more normal).

But Hillary isn't an ordinary "someone." She's someone who's repeatedly lied to the American public. She's someone who's yet to fully comply with FOIA requests. That makes the investigation much more suspect.

She said she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia. She said that she left the White House "not only dead broke, but also in debt." She said she turned over "all work related e-mails." She said that she was named after the first Mt. Everest climber. She's still saying that the investigation is a "security review."

I certainly don't want Trump to win, but I don't understand how such seasoned politicians have fucked up so badly over the last 10 years. And it's not just the lies, either - why on earth did she consent to Wall St. speeches that she wouldn't release? She obviously knew she'd be running for President. She didn't need the money. Why on earth did Bill meet with LG, especially knowing that Hillary was going to be interviewed in the coming days?

I wish she'd just drop the political facade and start being more straightforward. The fact that she's still yet to respond to any of the substance in the inspector general's report is really frustrating.

 

[Bonfires Down]

At the end of the day I look at it like this. Who would I rather have controlling our nuclear arsenal? A corporate shill with some trust issues or the demagoge riding a wave or antiestablishment foolishness on a platform of hate, ignorance, xenophobia and pure grade A bull shit who is known for over reacting and being a thin skinned jack ass? Yeah I'll be voting for Hillary even if I'm not the biggest fan because there is no way I want Trump anywhere near the option to end the human race in global nuclear war because he over reacted when Putin called him a coward with bad hair and small hands.

You're still seriously going with the "Trump will nuke someone" angle?

 

[Drazgul]

because there is no way I want Trump anywhere near the option to end the human race in global nuclear war because he over reacted when Putin called him a coward with bad hair and small hands.

It's not like there's just a big red button on the president's desk that he can press whenever he feels like it.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Hillary has a track record of being comfortable with lying to the American public. See sniper fire in Bosnia, or "I was named after the first person to climb Mt. Everest."

The fact that voters are saying Trump is more honest and trustworthy in polls seems to indicate that Hillary has forfeit the presumption of innocence to much of the public.

Yeah, we should indict her for it. Also for saying that she carries hot sauce in her purse. I don't care if it's true, I know she's lying goddammit!

 

[HStallion]

You're still seriously going with the "Trump will nuke someone" angle?

Yeah, amongst everything else. Its just the rotten cherry on top of the shit Sunday that is Trump. After everything else he's said and done to get where he is I would not put it past them or is endorsing torture like water boarding amongst other things a sign that he'll be a peaceful pacifist nut job? I know there is no red button but I don't dare put anything past this man.

It's not like there's just a big red button on the president's desk that he can press whenever he feels like it.

Not but I also wouldn't past him just like anything else he's been ranting on for the last year. How about besides my over the top example he actually tries to push for some of the more horribly racist things he's mentioned, maybe you'd be cooler with camps or mass deportations? Or how about being cool with water boarding people or murdering innocent people that might be family members of terrorists?

I used the nuke example because that is what the man would be to the US, a political Nuke if he were president. So fine maybe it was a crazy example but the man is a bomb waiting to go off.

 

[FyreWulff]

I'm just glad you can run for president while being under criminal investigation by the FBI. Abuelas breaking so many barriers.

Fucking Constitution, getting in the way of a good ol' political witchhunt

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

You're still seriously going with the "Trump will nuke someone" angle?

Where does his rhetoric and temperament go if something catastrophic happens here? Another 9/11? How impulsive has he demonstrated himself to be over the last year? Or foresee the consequences of... anything?

Would it rise to the point of a nuclear strike? I don't know but there are a host of truly awful decisions he could make even without that. Also note that nuclear strikes are one of the few things a President essentially has total, unilateral authority over. As long as he can verify his own identity, the only way to stop the order would be for his cabinet to declare him incompetent. Which you'd hope would be the case, but, you know. Depends on the Cabinet.

It's not like there's just a big red button on the president's desk that he can press whenever he feels like it.

There pretty much is. There's no way to check the order besides making an end-run around his ability to even be President.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

It's not like there's just a big red button on the president's desk that he can press whenever he feels like it.

You're right, it's not a big red button on their desk. It's actually a device inside a briefcase that the President takes with them everywhere and they have the complete authority to press it, without question, and destroy humanity whenever they feel like it.

 

[Amir0x]

How far does that reasoning go, though?

If Hillary were indicted, would you still support her as the Democratic nominee? Would you still extend her a full presumption of innocence?

Doesn't matter how far my reasoning would go. She isn't being indicted, and someone who is being investigated and broke no crimes deserves to run for President. The end. I'm not here to play 101 phantasmagorical fairy tales about alternate universes that don't exist. We are in this one, and she is a person who deserves to run for President. If you disapprove of her policies, don't vote for her on those terms. Don't try to invent bullshit reasons she should be disqualified from even getting a vote.

I don't think it's unreasonable for someone being investigated to run for President. I mean, Trump keeps touting that he's being audited, which is essentially an investigation (albeit a bit more normal).

That's awesome then. That should settle the matter of why I responded the way I did, then, since you agree. A person being investigated deserves the right not to feel shame running for President.

But Hillary isn't an ordinary "someone." She's someone who's repeatedly lied to the American public. She's someone who's yet to fully comply with FOIA requests. That makes the investigation much more suspect.

She's absolutely not an ordinary "someone" - or else she wouldn't be the first female nominee of a major party in the country. But she is not an extraordinary politician, which means not a single thing you list - from your farcical conspiracy theories about her Wall Street speeches to your comically misguided complaint about her sinister sounding failure to comply with "FOIA requests" to her ability to lie at times - is a moving argument for your hyperbolic expression that her investigation should therefore be "more suspect." Get some perspective or study politics some more. Your choice. Because otherwise you just sound like a political neophyte who is trying to impress upon someone that the sun is hot.

She said she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia. She said that she left the White House "not only dead broke, but also in debt." She said she turned over "all work related e-mails." She said that she was named after the first Mt. Everest climber. She's still saying that the investigation is a "security review."

Yawn. She tells not even 1/10th the lies of Donald Trump and is not even remotely special on any of these accusations alongside the annals of even the most banal politician of the last hundred years. Call me when you have real dirt. No I don't care about fake political revolutions and no I don't want to subscribe to any nonsense about one.

I certainly don't want Trump to win, but I don't understand how such seasoned politicians have fucked up so badly over the last 10 years. And it's not just the lies, either - why on earth did she consent to Wall St. speeches that she wouldn't release? She obviously knew she'd be running for President. She didn't need the money. Why on earth did Bill meet with LG, especially knowing that Hillary was going to be interviewed in the coming days?

Because famous and accomplished individuals, including politicians, almost always get paid high dollars from groups of all kinds to speak about their lives and goals and ideas. There's nothing remotely sinister about it, and bolding it does not make it sound more sinister regardless of if some of those speeches were to bank groups or wall street groups. I am sorry she has not released the Wall Street transcripts for you. More to the point: I don't give a shit about them. Good luck continuing to wait for those as you acknowledge you don't want Trump to win. While we're at it, let's just start the false equivalencies and say they're both the same. For shits and giggles.

I wish she'd just drop the political facade and start being more straightforward. The fact that she's still yet to respond to any of the substance in the inspector general's report is really frustrating.

Yeah, terribly frustrating.

 

[fritolay]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

For having a private email server? Probably not.

 

[Amir0x]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

No. Which is why most of the legal community agrees she's not going to get indicted, since it would be extremely difficult to convict her under any law.

 

[fritolay]

For having a private email server? Probably not.

No. Which is why most of the legal community agrees she's not going to get indicted, since it would be extremely difficult to convict her under any law.

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.

Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

 

[Amir0x]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.

Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

If you're arguing whether it was something that she should have avoided doing on the job, hey... that's fine. Maybe that's true!

If you're arguing as you suggested in that last post most people would be in prison... the answer is, once again, no most people would not.

 

[natjjohn]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.

Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

I think they're saying she's not going to jail/getting indicted.

 

[Valhelm]

I'm just glad you can run for president while being under criminal investigation by the FBI. Abuelas breaking so many barriers.

That's nothing. A great American hero once ran for president while in prison!

 

[AlphaDump]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

it would depend on the intent of the server's use by Clinton, since we already know State Dept was aware of its existence (despite it being unauthorized). To go the prison route, you would have to prove there was malicious intent behind its use, like for spying or selling purposes.

 

[_Ryo_]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.

Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

Wrong/bad ideas/Mistakes ≠ Illegal.
Illegal ≠ Wrong/bad ideas/Mistakes.

 

[sangreal]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

Sure but now try to apply that same logic to the company head

 

[Aaron Strife]

it would depend on the intent of the server's use by Clinton, since we already know State Dept was aware of its existence (despite it being unauthorized). To go the prison route, you would have to prove there was malicious intent behind its use, like for spying or selling purposes.

We all know the Clintons are communist spies. Even Obama is aware of it, hence why he made Hillary his SoS - he saw it as his best chance to take her down, as well as keeping her close.

 

[AlphaDump]

We all know the Clintons are communist spies. Even Obama is aware of it, hence why he made Hillary his SoS - he saw it as his best chance to take her down, as well as keeping her close.

right, exactly.

 

[djplaeskool]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.
If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.
Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

Basically there's no proof of criminal action, criminal negligence, or criminal intent, so you're not likely to see more than a wag of the finger.
Gov't technology compliance has a long history of being sketchy at best because the rules used to be needlessly arcane.
I think that recent report noted that multiple agencies under multiple administrations have had questionable processes vis-à-vis email communication.

 

[Elandyll]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

No.
There still is, to this day, not a single smoking gun found, in spite of 20+ years of fanatical conservative relentless focus on the Clintons, from Whitewater to their Foundation, going through Benghazi and the email server.

Either there really is nothing to find at this point, or they are the craftiest, most deviously brilliant politicians in the world's history.

I guess Republicans did manage to use FUD enough that it brought the overall view of the Clintons down in terms of trust and favorability.

Just taking the Benghazi example.

$7m spent, 33 hearings, 13 reports, more than 250 witnesses (more than 100 directly testified) to end with the same result after 4 years: there was no direct fault or coverup or conspiracy. On top of that, no less than 2 Republican leaders even admitted that witch hunt was entirely politically based.
Under George W Bush, more than 13 attacks on consulates with more than 60 deaths... Where were the pannels then?
The main difference? Here, a US ambassador died.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

At the end of the day I look at it like this. Who would I rather have controlling our nuclear arsenal? A corporate shill with some trust issues or the demagoge riding a wave or antiestablishment foolishness on a platform of hate, ignorance, xenophobia and pure grade A bull shit who is known for over reacting and being a thin skinned jack ass? Yeah I'll be voting for Hillary even if I'm not the biggest fan because there is no way I want Trump anywhere near the option to end the human race in global nuclear war because he over reacted when Putin called him a coward with bad hair and small hands.

*We will return to Survivor: Detroit after this important announcement from the President of the United States*

Ladies and gentlemen of these United States: I, your president, President Donald J. Trump, have an important announcement.

As many of you know, the other day, my ex-great friend Vladimir Putin decided to start a war with America when he called me a "manpeeg vith tiny beebee hands" or whatever. I can't do the accent. It's a stupid accent. He insulted me, right? He insulted the President of America. And you know what? That makes him a liar. He's a liar and he talks funny and he's got a big stupid face. He's a liar because my hands are fantastic, okay? They're big, and strong, and very very nice.

So he's a liar and he refused to apologize. Like a baby. That's right, he's the baby. Only babies refuse to apologize, because they can't talk, okay? He can talk. He talks all the time with that stupid accent, okay? So he wouldn't apologize. Which left me with no choice. I launched the nukes. I launched all the nukes. All of 'em. I only wanted to launch one, but my hands are so big that they pressed all the buttons at once. Could someone with small hands press all the buttons at once?

But don't worry--stop worrying. We're gonna go out in the biggest, most luxurious mushroom cloud you've ever seen, okay? We're gonna--

*Transmission ends*

 

[shawnbuddy]

Politicians are like stand up comedians. They exaggerate anecdotes and personal details to make a better story, get a laugh or win over a crowd. That's all you need to explain Edmund Hillary, the Marine story, even the sniper fire. Every single politician does it and it's barely mentioned, but of course there are different standards for Hillary so when she does it it's a great crime.

 

[Aaron Strife]

People are mad about Edmund Hillary?

I mean I was named after the cucumber on the side of a Subway kids' meal bag, but there's also a university and a MN Twins player who shared my name. Guess what I usually tell people when they ask?

Guess I can't run for president now.

 

[DasPenguin]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

Please. You just had a two term president who lied his ass off, attacked a country with no reason, completely destroyed the whole region and increased terrorism while doing so. Have you seen someone charge W. for his actions? Maybe if he was the president of a poor country, that would probably happen. Yesterday 80+ people lost their lives in Iraq when some car bombs went off. You remember many car bombs in Baghdad before the war started? W. is a gift that keeps on "giving".

Now if he wasn't charged with anything, there is no way somebody running for president will go to jail for an email server.

 

[FSLink]

If you work for a company and you have company information or data transferred to personal email server, you can get fired.

If you work in the military, or government, you should not have any government information on your own server.

Are you saying that no government or confidential data never made it to this server?

If I mess up computer related security policies/protocol at a company, sure I could get fired.

Would I get arrested? Likely not.

Same thing how I feel about Hilary in this situation. I think she likely messed up, but I see this as a failure to implement proper policy/policy oversight on multiple levels. Anybody who's worked in IT in a government aspect would also know that training is still really weak, and policy oversight is getting better over the years but has much to be improved.

I also don't think this disqualifies her for president unless it's revealed she's been blatantly been sending classified e-mails herself (receiving is a different issue) which it hasn't.

 

[Moofers]

*We will return to Survivor: Detroit after this important announcement from the President of the United States*

Ladies and gentlemen of these United States: I, your president, President Donald J. Trump, have an important announcement.

As many of you know, the other day, my ex-great friend Vladimir Putin decided to start a war with America when he called me a "manpeeg vith tiny beebee hands" or whatever. I can't do the accent. It's a stupid accent. He insulted me, right? He insulted the President of America. And you know what? That makes him a liar. He's a liar and he talks funny and he's got a big stupid face. He's a liar because my hands are fantastic, okay? They're big, and strong, and very very nice.

So he's a liar and he refused to apologize. Like a baby. That's right, he's the baby. Only babies refuse to apologize, because they can't talk, okay? He can talk. He talks all the time with that stupid accent, okay? So he wouldn't apologize. Which left me with no choice. I launched the nukes. I launched all the nukes. All of 'em. I only wanted to launch one, but my hands are so big that they pressed all the buttons at once. Could someone with small hands press all the buttons at once?

But don't worry--stop worrying. We're gonna go out in the biggest, most luxurious mushroom cloud you've ever seen, okay? We're gonna--

*Transmission ends*

11/10 post. Insert clapping gif here. Made my morning

 

[ApharmdX]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

Probably not, but they would lose their job, and certainly their security clearance.

On this one, it's less 'the Clintons' and more 'everyone who used email'. It was a practice done by multiple senior officials at state, including former SoS.

"Others did it too" isn't a valid excuse for wrongdoing.

 

[Amir0x]

one day the anti-Hillary folk will find a real scandal. i promise.

 

[Armaros]

one day the anti-Hillary folk will find a real scandal. i promise.

Hey they can just exhume Vince Foster again. That's some common ground 'hard left' folks have with trump.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Most all people that would do this, would be in prison, would they not?

Most people if they sent out a drone strike that killed a bunch of innocent people in a foreign country would be in jail too, but Obama can do that without having an indictment hanging over his head. Different standards for the top few most powerful people in the country.

Obama would have spent his entire presidency charging and dealing with the cases against almost every single person involved in the Bush administration if they were

 

[royalan]

"Others did it too" isn't a valid excuse for wrongdoing.

LOL - wrongdoing.

What Hillary did amounts to violating a work policy that many other people are also guilty of violating. "Wrongdoing" isn't the appropriate term for that.

 

[Ishan]

*We will return to Survivor: Detroit after this important announcement from the President of the United States*

Ladies and gentlemen of these United States: I, your president, President Donald J. Trump, have an important announcement.

As many of you know, the other day, my ex-great friend Vladimir Putin decided to start a war with America when he called me a "manpeeg vith tiny beebee hands" or whatever. I can't do the accent. It's a stupid accent. He insulted me, right? He insulted the President of America. And you know what? That makes him a liar. He's a liar and he talks funny and he's got a big stupid face. He's a liar because my hands are fantastic, okay? They're big, and strong, and very very nice.

So he's a liar and he refused to apologize. Like a baby. That's right, he's the baby. Only babies refuse to apologize, because they can't talk, okay? He can talk. He talks all the time with that stupid accent, okay? So he wouldn't apologize. Which left me with no choice. I launched the nukes. I launched all the nukes. All of 'em. I only wanted to launch one, but my hands are so big that they pressed all the buttons at once. Could someone with small hands press all the buttons at once?

But don't worry--stop worrying. We're gonna go out in the biggest, most luxurious mushroom cloud you've ever seen, okay? We're gonna--

*Transmission ends*

Lmao

 

[gatti-man]

That's just not how investigations work. They're interviewing her to see how the evidence stacks up against her side of the story and see where she refuses to answer questions. They also get a chance for her to lie and commit another felony.

TV shows portray it differently, often because investigations center on violent crime (in which you want the criminal off the streets ASAP) or because the target is a flight risk.

But the default for investigations, especially white-collar ones, is a slow and steady investigation that ends with confronting the person at the very end with evidence and seeing how they respond.

The fact that she's being interviewed now is worse. If there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they wouldn't have bothered to interview her.

It's not worse it's not better it's just an investigation. The FBI is supposed to be thorough especially when it comes to something like this. Eventually these case files will be released and everyone involved know their names will be attached. They are being as thorough as possible just like you or I would be.

I wish people would just relax and let the FBI do their job. If they say no indictment then that's fine and if they recommend indictment that's fine too. At the end of the day it's paid professionals doing their jobs in a high profile investigation with loons/threats on both sides.

I personally have a hard time understand why Hillary is being investigated over others who did the exact same thing like Bush. Being a Luddite seems like a federal offense now. I'm not blowing off that she did it just that many others did and aren't under federal investigation. I also have to wonder why we expect old, career politicians to also understand technology to the extent that we younger people do who have grown up with it. But the law is the law I just want equality.

 

[Mattenth]

I personally have a hard time understand why Hillary is being investigated over others who did the exact same thing like Bush.

Hillary Clinton is the first high ranking official to exclusively use a private email connected to a server entirely in her jurisdiction. No one in the government could access her emails at any point. When she deleted emails, she had no oversight and the government had no backup copies.

Or to put it more plainly... She's the first one to have her own email hardware in her basement.

Other politicians have either used personal email on government servers (Collin Powell) or used a combination of personal and work email. I personally forgive the latter - I've done that several times at my own job.

And I don't want to demonize her for it, but for democracy to work, you need 2 things: constitutionality and transparency. It's sad that we have Trump running on a Constitution-violating platform against Hillary and her complete lack of transparency.

 

[Formless]

It is not ok in the intelligence world to do something like this and I assume the same should hold true about the Secretary of State.

 

[FStop7]

I wonder how much being her IT admin pays and if you get overtime for depositions.

 

[Cromwell]

I wish she'd just drop the political facade and start being more straightforward. The fact that she's still yet to respond to any of the substance in the inspector general's report is really frustrating.

You seem totally clueless regarding the absolutely rampant sexism she has going against her. If she were "more straightforward" or "honest" people would crucify her for it. I can't believe anyone still thinks that's actually an option on the table for her, as if the playing field between her and Trump or Bernie were equal. It isn't. Trump gets away with absolutely everything, and she has to play it safe and stick to what she's experienced at.

She could make a speech tomorrow about how much she hated and still hates Bill for cheating on her, that they haven't fucked in 25 years, and that she made mistakes on emails because she's a 69 year old woman and technology is scary. People would hate her even more for it. Trump outright says in Art of the Deal that he's full of shit all the time because that's how you get people to sign deals, and people see that as a sign of strength or something. Every single thing people rail on Clinton for, Trump has done, and those problems are at the bottom of a list of about 100 horrible things you can say about him. The idea that they are in any way equivalent or that this is a horse race should be insulting to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

Clinton has to play the part she's playing because people simply refuse to accept anything else.

 

[ascii42]

It's not like there's just a big red button on the president's desk that he can press whenever he feels like it.

You mean this button?

 

[Drazgul]

You're right, it's not a big red button on their desk. It's actually a device inside a briefcase that the President takes with them everywhere and they have the complete authority to press it, without question, and destroy humanity whenever they feel like it.

Not true, any and every launch order would have to be confirmed by the secretary of defense.

 

[shem935]

Not true, any and every launch order would have to be confirmed by the secretary of defense.

You know who appoints the sec def?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

If you're arguing whether it was something that she should have avoided doing on the job, hey... that's fine. Maybe that's true!

If you're arguing as you suggested in that last post most people would be in prison... the answer is, once again, no most people would not.

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