ferrasvansen
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His victory speech about a "New Turkey" and purging the army pretty much says it all, does not take a rocket scientist to see where Turkey is going, but alas that's what the people want, I'm sure he will deliver.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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His victory speech about a "New Turkey" and purging the army pretty much says it all, does not take a rocket scientist to see where Turkey is going, but alas that's what the people want, I'm sure he will deliver.
Who the fuck in Europe would want these blood-thirsty neanderthals having full access to travel to EU nations without a visa, or even worse be fully integrated into the EU?
A horrible picture. I sure as hell would not want any of the people beating their prisoners up coming into he EU.
Can someone clarify the law that constitutes these kinds of coups? Who has the right to start the coup? Does the minister of defence have to be the one?
Because It seems extremely abusable if a few generals can start a coup "in the name of peace" and clearly this time Erdogan had all the support, so how can this be a constitutional coup like some are suggesting?
Because It seems extremely abusable if a few generals can start a coup "in the name of peace" and clearly this time Erdogan had all the support, so how can this be a constitutional coup like some are suggesting?
Heavy's Sandvich
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prefer our EU members to help drown refugees in the sea instead.
Who the fuck in Europe would want these blood-thirsty neanderthals having full access to travel to EU nations without a visa, or even worse be fully integrated into the EU?
Yeah fuck you. Neanderthals?
People have lost their lives supporting the government. Which may be shit but it's helluva alot better for the people right now that a military coup. And you have the cheek to call the Turks fucking Neanderthals.
Either you fucking delusion or a racist prick. I cant be bothered to pick one.
Hope you consider those who confuse refugees with immigrants and let them starve, fight, drown and fall in prostitution... Neanderthals too.
You're forgetting in the UK you don't vote for a PM. You vote for a party.
Having trouble parsing this.
Are you saying this about the Turkish people or their government?
Heavy's Sandvich
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And at that stage, she wasn't the head of the party when the general election was called.
So again, please let me know where Theresa May got her mandate to become PM
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Without fully knowing the motivation for this attempt, my spontaneous reaction is that it's a shame it failed. Turkey with Erdogan is heading in a terrible direction.
She got it when her party was voted in to rule the UK mate, you at no point voted for a prime minester, you voted for the party and thats what you got
Talking about dehumanizing bigotry...
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
People on Twitter are just 😂
There saying some military members where looking for Pokemon and were mistaken for a coup
There saying some military members where looking for Pokemon and were mistaken for a coup
Baki
Member
Hey....so hate to break it to you. But you are a racist.
I hope you aren't European. Because you make us look bad.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Look at this:
And then look at this
It's a wonder those soldiers don't get killed right on the spot.
And then look at this
It's a wonder those soldiers don't get killed right on the spot.
Heavy's Sandvich
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From the people who voted for the conservative party. That's how our government works. I know exactly where you coming from but that's not how Westminster operates. It was the same with Brown and Major.
It's not as easy as "Erdogan = bad/No Erdogan = good". A successfull coup could have ended in civil war, a power vacuum and ISIS using the chaos for their means. We can at least somewhat calculate what's going to happen next, if the coup was successful this would be next to impossible.
Heavy's Sandvich
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ruling party can give peerages to people, in which they can serve in the cabinet.
being voted in as the party doesn't give you powers as wide as to make a peer then install as PM.
I know our constitution isn't written, but you can't be making stuff up like that.
edit: it's happened before with Brown and Major, how exactly is it democratic?
Alkastelca
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Turkey is gone.
We should start building walls on its border.
We should start building walls on its border.
Let me guess... you also supported the illegal invasion and overthrow of Saddam and Gaddafi and prefer ISIS to them ?
You should really stop, you don't have a clue what you're on about.
KurtSloane
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Her party has the mandate, the simply select a leader to be PM.
Well boys and girls, this has been a fine example of how not to undertake a coup.
Too slow .... if you can't move with lightning speed and take over all key installations at the same time then you are fucked from the get go.
More Fun To Compute
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It's hard to see how Turkey could be helping ISIS more but I suppose that you are right.
Herbspiceguy
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Solidifies Erdogan power position
Strengthen faith amongst Erdogan supporters
Crack down on any negative Erdogan sentiment within military ranks
The idea that this was orchestrated sounds plausible. Feels like divide & conquer games played at the expense of civilians.
Strengthen faith amongst Erdogan supporters
Crack down on any negative Erdogan sentiment within military ranks
The idea that this was orchestrated sounds plausible. Feels like divide & conquer games played at the expense of civilians.
Heavy's Sandvich
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soz m8, phone 0891 50 50 50 and inform me how it's wrong please
Well, it's terrible he died, but it would probably be a better idea to stay home when your lunatic party leader calls for rally and NOT run in front of a moving tank.
Also this is so f*cking fishy, it's almost like Erdogan knew that they were plotting and just let it happen and capitalize later on when he crush them.
This guy is a menace.
like, these are the rules by which your democracy is run, you vote for a party, and they choose a leader to lead the party.
if the PM resigns, the party the people voted in still rules the country,
who they decide represents them is the leader, this is how a party based system works.
its true that in many cases in such a situation new elections would be held, but that is only because there was an upheaval, not because the situation is undemocratic
Topical!
maybe it just failed
Because as will be posted for the fourth time on this page, you vote for the party. The queen is the one who technically appoints the PM.
It's not just Brown and Major. Also Callaghan, Churchill and others. Since 1900 we've had 22 PMs with 13 of them coming to power not through an immediate election win https://fullfact.org/news/unelected-prime-ministers-common-or-not/
Phantast2k
Member
Yes. There's also no guarantee that the coup would have ended up in a more (secular, Kemalist) democratic society instead of military dictatorship like in Egypt.
For people used to rule of law, freedom of speech, press and religion, and the subjection of the Military forces to the Political Institutions this all affair seems completely alien and backwards. From all sides. Prisioners should be treated fairly. Being military they should be trial in martial court. It's understandable that people that saw friends, family, shot, wounded or killed by these forces will try to enact revenge on captured soldiers. The Governmental forces should act quickly though to capture them putting them to jail until they can go to court.
I hope some sort of democratic normalcy can be achieved as quickly as possible. I'm glad all political forces were against the coup and hope that they don't fall in the temptation of making harsh reactive decisions that could change the future of Turkey distancing the country from a true secular state and defined division between State and Religion. Here's hoping. Godspeed Turkey.
I hope some sort of democratic normalcy can be achieved as quickly as possible. I'm glad all political forces were against the coup and hope that they don't fall in the temptation of making harsh reactive decisions that could change the future of Turkey distancing the country from a true secular state and defined division between State and Religion. Here's hoping. Godspeed Turkey.
Why bother? You're quite clearly intent on remaining ignorant.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I don't follow what you're saying.
Are you confusing consistency with democracy? Within the technicality of what it is, the choices were presented as selection of prime minister from winning party. At that stage, she was not.
Her mandate isn't democratically given.
Herbspiceguy
Member
That's what it feels like to me. When I said orchestrated I don't mean he instigated the coup himself, but likely had inside information and played his pieces in the best way possible for him.
Through the rules of our democracy, it is and it's something that has happened time and again.
PJV3
Member
If she sticks roughly to the manifesto then she is carrying out the mandate of the election result.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Several people get killed by that tank, their corpses are pretty messed up. But although the video is already 8h old, I haven't found any reports about this incident yet in the news, just a report about a tank running over a taxi is all over the place.
Holy shit. Lost any sympathy for the military rebels and their fate.
And if May doesn't then people have the chance to boot her out in 2020 at worst.
mehrmantrout
Member
He's using Terror/Terrorrism nearly every other word, he's going to have full power after this
aspiegamer
Member
I support this logic, as it makes the image of tanks literally squashing civilians possibly a mere accident instead of premeditated slaughter -slightly- less painful.
Just no. I feel bad for watching that video, but that shit is 100% unacceptable. I don't care who's running the country, how popular he is or isn't, what your views are, or who's attempting the coup or for what reasons. That stuff cannot be permitted. Period. I don't pretend to know a damn thing about the inner workings of Turkey, but it sure as hell doesn't take an expert to see how wrong that is. Find the people that were in that tank. Please.
Funyarinpa
Member
Yeah bud, that's exactly why it sparked protests throughout the whole fucking country and now on every national day and Gezi protests anniversary, Taksim and the nearby premises are always shut off to the public. What's your point, anyway? What does it matter whether the people spoke against this dictatorship or not in regards to your point? People have tried to demand better, but they were ineffective. You have got some nerve, calling a person a traitor when you're safe and sound in the UK. I can assure you, as a Turk who was born and raised in Turkey, that there are many more people in Turkey right now who rejoice Erdoğan has suppressed the coup many more than people who lament that Erdoğan's going to use this coup as leverage to strengthen his iron fist.
MistakenMobius
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They are there to import the same value to your country.
I now understand why my dad from Istanbul never wanted to have anything to do with the Turkish community
Heavy's Sandvich
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