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[hobblygobbly]

Quite sad what is happening to Turkey with Erdogan in power over time, he's taking a lot of pointers from Putin for creating a personality cult and for slowly forming an authoritarian bureaucratic state (or a legal dictatorship, but now it's closer to the former)

While a coup may not be always right it's sad that people call him and his presidency democratic (even in this thread), a presidency that has eroded powers of the PM to the president, jailing of foreign and local journalists, control on media, judicial reforms of high courts for giving him more power, purging of military and national police based on personal loyalty, etc.

 

[TatteredHat]

Damn, sounds like things are going to start becoming a lot worse for Turkey from here on out.

 

[RSP]

https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/754211994585141248



Here we go.

That doesn't surprise me. Was looking it up on Wikipedia earlier.

 

[Rafy]

https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/754211994585141248



Here we go.

Did anyone doubt this would happen? Even if they don't bring it back, people are going to start "disappearing" or have "accidents" in prison real soon.

The worst part is that he is just going to start consolidating powers and butcher the constitution.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

So I was reading on twitter and many people seem to believe Erdogan is behind this? Kinda hard to believe for me tbh. need more proof.

 

[TCRS]

It's such a fucking clueless stupid mistake that it makes me think it really all must be a work after all. How do you plan for something like this without making 100 percent sure you can kill the guy in charge as soon as it pops off?

This Coup wasn't thought out very well. They didn't have any support, they didn't kill/capture Erdogan and they started at fucking 10 pm when everyone was wide awake instead of 3am or something.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/754211994585141248



Here we go.

I didn't want a coup, but if there was going to be one it'd be better if it were successful. That's exactly why there shouldn't have been one, the chance of failure was always there (and even if the coup succeeded, there's no guarantee the power transition would have been smooth). There's no gold star for trying or A+ for effort, the gamble was huge and they lost. Now things are just going to get worse and worse.

 

[NimbusD]

That's not a necessary requirement and it could set a bad precedent. There have been coups without the leader being killed.

I mean, the successful ones don't end with that leader still in the country and not on the run at least.

Really crazy shit. It's bizarre to me that they'd do this without the support.

I mean, I don't know a whole lot about the situation in turkey but I know people hate Erdogan, or at least a lot of people do? I guess they overestimated how much support?

I just found this post on quora that helps me understand a bit:

Because he's a succesfull radical and the social groups of Turkey differ from each other dearly. I would bet no one could not find a subject that would unite these groups.

Broadly there are three groups of people in Turkey. One group which makes up for nearly %60 of the population are conservatives. Most of these people support Erdoğan for they see him as "one of them", and support his almost-radical conservative policies. These people generally does not care much about democracy and are all right with Erdoğan having nearly dictator like influence on Turkey.

The second group is mainly consists of secular Kemalists, social democrats and social liberals, which make up for the %25-30 of the country. They are completely opposed to Erdoğan as he seeks to abolish secularism, diminish civil liberties and won't let them keep their ways of life. Naturally, they outright hate him.

The third group is Kurds. They used to support Erdogan for he started the peace talks between the state and PKK, but then after Erdogan's party's, AKP's, failure of 2015 June elections, he abandoned the peace talks for he had lost the support of many Turkish nationalists to the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) and the hope of peace made leftist Kurds' party, HDP, very popular among the Kurds and socialists. For Erdogan did not want to lose these people's support, (AKP couldn't form the majority in the parliament without them.) he left his policy of peace and started waging war against PKK, again. And he succeeded as MHP was very ineffective and HDP couldn't hold onto their votes because they began to fall into PKK's influence again. Some of the conservative Kurds support Erdogan and the ones that are closer to PKK and HDP hate him because they think Erdogan started the war again, rather than PKK.

If they succeeded it would have been a shit-show. What are you going to do with a population that mostly supports a conservative asshole? Which group are you going to put in charge? It's not like you can have elections, because Erdogan would just come back.

 

[Sidewinder]

Damn, sounds like things are going to start becoming a lot worse for Turkey from here on out.

Erdogan will get out of this mess stronger than ever, bad times ahead for Turkey ;(

 

[fanboi]

Question to Erdogan supporters here:

Do you expect Erdogan to make moves now to get More power and would you approve of it?

 

[spekkeh]

Well I just woke up to see coup soldiers being tortured in Mosques, and some being executed.

Truly the Turkish people deserve someone like Erdogan, hope they enjoy every minute of him, and all the economic misery and tyranny that will follow.

Attaturks Turkey is dead and buried at this point, we live in a time where you can buy T shirt with ISIS slogans on them right in downtown Ankara or Istanbul without the authorities flinching.

Erdogan now controls the state, military and religion. What could possibly go wrong.

And it will only get worse, as the brain drain that had slowly been building momentum over the last decade will surely go into full speed now. The AKP dummies will be back into a supermajority in no time. I give it some ten years until Turkey is on the level of Turkmenistan. Only without oil, probably a EU boycott and staunchly more islamist.

I fear it could also finally push Greece out of the EU as they decide they don't want to have such a weak border with a second Iran.

 

[Copenap]

Erdogan will get out of this mess stronger than ever, bad times ahead for Turkey ;(

It's really sad how one person alone set back a country pretty much an entire century.

 

[firehawk12]

https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/754211994585141248

Here we go.

It's going to be weird saying that Turkey is an important ally against terrorism in the region when this shit starts happening.

 

[Funyarinpa]

All things considered the turkish people showed incredible courage. To go out in masses and risk to get killed to protect the democratically elected? I dont know how many people would do that in european countries. I dont like Erdogan at all but the reaction of the people is to be admired

This isn't courage. This is religious fervor, through and through.

Mosques were having calls to prayer at 1 am (hours ahead of schedule) and telling people to defend their government.

Erdoğan supporters are not just a demographic. They are a cult, a cult that rules a country of more than 70 million people.

As a citizen of this country, I can't get across how terrifying all of this is to me.

 

[orochi91]

https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/754211994585141248



Here we go.

Death toll has risen to ~90 because of this failed coup.

I can't imagine they would have ever allowed these soldiers to live after all that.

What a disaster the past ~24hrs have been :/

 

[mercenar1e]

It's going to be weird saying that Turkey is an important ally against terrorism in the region when this shit starts happening.

I've always felt weird when someone says that.

 

[Kuldar]

Ugh, with this failed coup Erdogan paranoia will be at another level...

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

This isn't courage. This is religious fervor, through and through.

Mosques were having calls to prayer at 1 am (hours ahead of schedule) and telling people to defend their government.

Erdoğan supporters are not just a demographic. They are a cult, a cult that rules a country of more than 70 million people.

As a citizen of this country, I can't get across how terrifying all of this is to me.

you utter traitor all I can say.

 

[Matt]

you utter traitor all I can say.

What the hell man.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Whether the coup was staged or not it shows several things
-Turkey is not as strong as it used to
-The Turkish army not being united shows weakness to others
-Financially dark times are ahead of Turkey
-Freedom of speech will become worse

One thing I can't believe I know in Islam you need to support the current leader but in case of Chaos people are ought to stay away from clashes to avoid loosing lives, something the Mosques didn't do.

The inclusion of religion into politics only spells disaster in the Middle East.

 

[spekkeh]

you utter traitor all I can say.

Ah yes, so it begins. Maybe you can snitch on him, you true patriot you.

 

[spekkeh]

Whether the coup was staged or not it shows several things
-Turkey is not as strong as it used to
-The Turkish army not being united shows weakness to others
-Financially dark times are ahead of Turkey
-Freedom of speech will become worse

One thing I can't believe I know in Islam you need to support the current leader but in case of Chaos people are ought to stay away from clashes to avoid loosing lives, something the Mosques didn't do.

The inclusion of religion into politics only spells disaster in the Middle East.

The mosques are Erdogan's barracks and all under direct state control. Very much agree with your last point.

 

[BigDes]

you utter traitor all I can say.

Well this is a disgustingly fascist attitude.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Ah yes, so it begins. Maybe you can snitch on him, you true patriot you.

that makes sense.

All main political parties, all media outlets were opposed to this.

Flags waved of other parties. Izmir marched. Diyarbakir marched

"this is religious fervour"

Utter dumbo

 

[Tagyhag]

Death toll has risen to ~90 because of this failed coup.

I can't imagine they would have ever allowed these soldiers to live after all that.

What a disaster the past ~24hrs have been :/

Wow really? I mean, that's still 90 lives lost but I was expecting it to be in the high hundreds at the very minimum.

Thankfully, it could have been a lot worse.

 

[Copenap]

you utter traitor all I can say.

All this is happening and Erdogan still has time to post on neogaf.

 

[orochi91]

Wow really? I mean, that's still 90 lives lost but I was expecting it to be in the high hundreds at the very minimum.

Thankfully, it could have been a lot worse.

Full stats so far:

At least 90 people have been killed and more than 1150 injured in the unrest, with 1563 members of the armed forces arrested.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

For those unable to grasp quite simple concepts, you can utterly detest Erdogan (like I do) and oppose a coup d'etat.

Up to the people to get rid of him too.

Dumbos everywhere tonight.

 

[Cromwell]

All this is happening and Erdogan still has time to post on neogaf.

 

[firehawk12]

Wow really? I mean, that's still 90 lives lost but I was expecting it to be in the high hundreds at the very minimum.

Thankfully, it could have been a lot worse.

There's going to be bodies we'll never see probably for decades, if ever.

 

[Kabouter]

For those unable to grasp quite simple concepts, you can utterly detest Erdogan (like I do) and oppose a coup d'etat.

Up to the people to get rid of him too.

Dumbos everywhere tonight.

I would strongly urge you to show more respect for other GAFers, even if they hold completely opposed beliefs, this goes for others as well.

 

[Copenap]

For those unable to grasp quite simple concepts, you can utterly detest Erdogan (like I do) and oppose a coup d'etat.

Up to the people to get rid of him too.

Dumbos everywhere tonight.

And yet here you are calling people traitors for stating their opinion which is pretty much Erdogans favourite thing to do.

 

[Dictator93]

That's not a necessary requirement and it could set a bad precedent. There have been coups without the leader being killed.

lol your avatar, tag and name

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

What are the chances of a second coup within the next five years? If Erdogan and co. decimate the ranks of the Armed Forces and stock with more loyalists, then pretty much nil?

 

[Funyarinpa]

that makes sense.

All main political parties, all media outlets were opposed to this.

Flags waved of other parties. Izmir marched. Diyarbakir marched

"this is religious fervour"

Utter dumbo

If you fail to recognize that Erdoğan's support base is incredibly loyal to him and that that greatly influenced the outcome of the coup attempt, I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[barit]

It's really sad how one person alone set back a country pretty much an entire century.

The most bizzare thing is he was the one who pushed Turkey forward like no other in the 90s and now he is doing the excat opposite. Just like a famous german-turk carbaret artist said "Erdogan is boon and bane of Turkey"

 

[BigDes]

What are the chances of a second coup within the next five years? If Erdogan and co. decimate the ranks of the Armed Forces and stock with more loyalists, then pretty much nil?

I would assume nil. The armed forces in Turkey are probably in for one hell of a purge in the next couple of weeks.

 

[chaobreaker]

What are the chances of a second coup within the next five years? If Erdogan and co. decimate the ranks of the Armed Forces and stock with more loyalists, then pretty much nil?

I think the current coup was attempted by the last remnants of the army that were yet to be purge in place Erdogen yes-men. At this point, I doubt there will be any more coups for a long time.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

The mosques are Erdogan's barracks and all under direct state control. Very much agree with your last point.

Believe me and I'm a devoted Muslim,
Politics is ruining my Religion to the level of unbearablity.
People are starting to accuse each other faith and devotion based on their political stance.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I would assume nil. The armed forces in Turkey are probably in for one hell of a purge in the next couple of weeks.

I think the current coup was attempted by the last remnants of the army that were yet to be purge in place Erdogen yes-men. At this point, I doubt there will be any more coups for a long time.

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

 

[firehawk12]

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

I don't think they care at this point though.

 

[Corto]

Some Portuguese press is reporting that it seems that the coup was supported by Gulenist forces. Is that already confirmed or just rumors still?

 

[YoungFa]

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

I dont know the situation in turkey. But I'd assume that Erdogan replaced a lot of people in the justice system with his supporters by now, so the constitution might not even matter.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Do we know yet who was behind that coup?

 

[BigDes]

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

It probably is, but no leader with an ounce of sense is going to leave a group that almost ousted him through violence the potential to do it again.

He will fill the army with yes men. They will make some noise I am sure about protecting the rights of secular Turks but will do nothing.

 

[kirblar]

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

They had been afraid to pull the trigger for ages based on the worry about his supporters not playing along.

 

[oti]

I read earlier today the constitution essentially allows the army to stage coups in order to reset Turkey back to secularism if it turns too far into religious rule (as I guess the case is with Erdogan). By purging the army like this, doesn't if defy their own constitution?

Erdogan has already used the term "New Turkey". He'll change the constitution to his will and the opposition won't be able to do anything about it but watch.

This is a pretty weird part of the constitution anyway. It seems like a reset clause for a country that always goes down the same route. Turkey has a long way to go.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

If you fail to recognize that Erdoğan's support base is incredibly loyal to him and that that greatly influenced the outcome of the coup attempt, I have nothing more to say to you.

that goes without saying

but it also goes without saying that all sections of turkish society rose up last night to make sure the coup was unsuccessful.

you should be emboldened by what they did, and mourn the heroes we lost last night.

Rather than falsely characterise what happened last night.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Some Portuguese press is reporting that it seems that the coup was supported by Gulenist forces. Is that already confirmed or just rumors still?

still rumours it seems.

They came out and condemned the coup.

 

[Sölf]

Welp, I went to bed 6 1/2 hours ago and it seemed "the coup has failed".

Any realy significant news since then, except for the coup is still ongoing?