Probably them eliminating everyone not on board with them in one fell swoop.
It's over, guys. If you're not pro-Erdogan, the country isn't for you anymore.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Probably them eliminating everyone not on board with them in one fell swoop.
It's over, guys. If you're not pro-Erdogan, the country isn't for you anymore.
ferrasvansen
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I'm certain that European conventions forbid extradition if the person may face the death penalty.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=URISERV:jl0053
http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/extradition.cfm
Ragnar Blackmane
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Do you agree with the death penalty and it being used as maximum penalty for coupists?
Yes
No -> Fired
WTF. Hope that Turkey does not go down through that hole.
blu
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Why, Jim, what a convenient coup to fail..
A bit late for that now, isn't it?
MMaRsu
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Man this is real bad
To silence the judicial opposition so he can change the constitution.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I thought only a handful of the military did the coup?
I'm beginning to think this whole thing was staged by him.
NyMartin90
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Constitution changes will definitely happen now that the judiciary has also been removed
ferrasvansen
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Yeah and the folk in here who were foolish to believe this would go otherwise... sigh. It's so obvious what was going to happen, but that great old democracy word, well now the democracy ends.
TheSecondSpitter
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Since it was not orders issued during not wartime, you know where the orders originate from, whether they are legitimate or illegimate in the context of what you told to do and to whom (like firing on your own citizens).
"The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger. The war is over. The Separatists have been defeated, and the Jedi rebellion has been foiled.
We stand on the threshold of a new beginning. In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society, which I assure you will last for ten thousand years."
dglavimans
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Sorry but can someone explain why this is really bad news?
If you are the one who choses who is a traitor, then everyone you want will be a traitor.
metalslimer
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Lol if anyone thought erdogan would only arrest a few people and call it a day
And this was coming regardless of whether this coup happened or not. He now just has a convenient excuse to speed up the process
hobblygobbly
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I wouldn't be surprised any more. He's been trying to reform it. This was an article a few weeks ago (I posted it very early in the thread when the coup in its early stages) Turkey's parliament passes law to restructure judiciary, bolstering Erdogan
Probably wants to enshrine death penalty for high treason. They may even neuter the military even more, given the recent events.
ferrasvansen
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Judges uphold the law and constitution, removing them paves the way to remove and alter the constitution of Turkey and start the process of dictatorship.
I don't know about staged but him being aware of the coup and allowing it to go forward while he's out of the country certainly seems possible.
Either way he's not going to let a crisis go to waste. Gotta follow the example of his idol Hitler.
ClosingADoor
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Erdogan getting rid of judges that would not rule in his favor on things. It's the government taking over the justice system.
HocusPocus
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Future of all of Europe unfortunately. Democracy will be used to install governments bent on removing secular governments.
dglavimans
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Pretty much. This is a good time to take care of anyone that he wanted to weed out. Just call them coup conspirators.
Regginator
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I agree. There wasn't a wide variety of executing people back then, basically only decapitation and hanging, of which like you said beheading was quicker (for both parties). Nowadays you see people like ISIS using little paring knifes while taking up to 5 minutes to behead some one, fucking insane. I'm sure there are dozens more, quicker and "humane" (how ironic it may sound) ways to do it now.
SkylineRKR
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I said it earlier, I think this coup might've been staged.
Know your enemy.
Know your enemy.
"Unarmed" civilians defending democracy.
NSFW: https://twitter.com/UlviYaman/status/754266911718772739
They don't need to reinstate death penalty. Surviving coup soldiers on the streets will probably be dead by dusk.
NSFW: https://twitter.com/UlviYaman/status/754266911718772739
They don't need to reinstate death penalty. Surviving coup soldiers on the streets will probably be dead by dusk.
TheSecondSpitter
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The hilarity is that more judges were laid off than soldiers involved in the coup.
not watching it but this is reality on how they see 'democracy' but this isn't the solution either
More and more media start reporting this too. A staged coup is a perfect way to clean out any resistance.
Yeah, this isn't "old pictures" or whatever. This is the bridge in Istanbul. Such a thing has never happened before.
Nathan_Drake
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I keep thinking about this. I was in the USAF for 10 years. What would I had done?
You dont follow illegal orders. But what does that mean? Some are obvious. If i were told to kill my coworker on the spot I would not do so even if a general ordered me. Easy
If my entire squadron was put on alert from "high" and told to secure a bridge or secure an area, why would I not? Military members are not political and dont have time to cross-reference news to see the situation. Not easy.
The 3rd version is if they knew it was a coup but were told they were defending the countrys constitution and rights of its citizens. I have no idea what to do here. I guess its a judgment call but saying no to your unit would be hazardous. Shitty situation to be in.
But to all the troops that hurt the civilians that is fucked. Even if they were supporters to the regime they are still who they were sworn to protect. And the civilians should not be harming the troops that were not being violent.
This is a shit show and one i am thankful i never had to contemplate. I cant make my mind up now let alone if i was in the situation.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Police has to fire warning shots to stop the civilians from further beating up the soldier on the ground who already seems as good as dead. Pretty bad situation.
With the haphazard and tentative way the coup was attempted, even while they must have the consequences for failing, I'm beginning to think this attempt was reactive rather than active, i.e. they knew the hammer was coming down soon anyway, and they had nothing left to lose.
Well, there it is...the real coup starts now.
John Dunbar
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the coup being staged sounds like 9/11 truther level conspiracy theory. how could you even hope to keep something like that a secret? taking advantage of the coup, sure, but erdogan actually being involved in launching it sounds crazy.
Good Job Bob
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Oh please. How anyone can actually believe this is beyond me.
I am sure he didn't stage it, but I am not unconvinced that he knew about it, let it happen to gain advantage of it.
Nathan_Drake
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How do you stage a coup of this size? Do they mean they influenced troops to participate? 2100+ is a lot of people. They couldn'tbe in the know. They are going to die or be severely punished. This isnt burning a government building down and using it for your benefit a la Hitler. Maybe they had knowledge like conspiracy theorists say about Pearl Harbor but staged seems a bit far. And they did lose control for a bit and it wasnt certain the populace was going to fight it. Hell the rest of the military seemed to be playing wait and see.
Though it is curious that none of the politicians were killed not even the kidnapped ones. Has to be one of these least destructive coups ever.
What seems more likely is that he knew about a faction opposed to him and deliberately provoked them into starting a poorly-attempted coup so he could take advantage of it.
Turkey as a country is now conpletely fead. Long live Erdogany. Leave the country whole you still can because its now a full blown fascist state.
I want too see their arguments...
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