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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Erdogoldfinger
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Of course, all those 2.700 judges were part of the coup. Obviously, duuhhhh
It's not like Erdogan is giving a fuck about any constitution though
It's not like Erdogan is giving a fuck about any constitution though
Curious: when will we reach a point where being against erdogan is enough ground to get asylum in other countries since you need to fear being persecuted because of your political opinion?
Yeah, makes sense. That's why he was able to fly around in a fucking plane. LMAO
Green Yoshi
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That's just revenge for the past. Erdogan is now the justice.
Frustrated_me
Member
Some 2000+ judges just got removed.. LOL
But the Erdogan supporters won't care, they'll continue to cheer and worship him no matter what. Scary thing.
But the Erdogan supporters won't care, they'll continue to cheer and worship him no matter what. Scary thing.
Oh well if the constitution says it...
Jesus Christ
Not even the whole military was behind this, it was undemocratic and not legitimate. Military junta's are not the answer. Erdogan will now take his chance and destroy what is left.
Mr. Giggles
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I stand by my defence of a democratic system, despite its failure in this instance.
I would hope that the people of Turkey don't let things get too out of control and check erdogan back to his place
Ragnar Blackmane
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Well, there we have it. Entire Turkish justice system has just been effectively dismantled. Prepare for re-introduction of death penalty in a matter of weeks.
Who says it would have been a Junta? There have been plenty military coups in Turkey and several of them lead to new elections and more secular governments in the past. That's what the constitution actually tasks the Turkish army to maintain, the secularism that is just getting fired alongside thousands of judges.
NyMartin90
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HAHA
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
His propaganda machine is well oiled, I'll give him that.
Frustrated_me
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About judge removals: There were 7604 judges in Turkey, 2745 (~36%) of whom are removed from duty.
They'll check him back to his place.
Back into his 1150 room place that is.
Erdogans supporters went into the streets and hit TANKS with STICKS for him.
The "public" isn't gonna send anyone anywhere unless Erdogan tells them to.
Like,just to put this into perspective again:
This is the president of your country, telling you to go outside, to march on ARMED FORCES that have TANKS and hit them with STICKS.
If the leader of my country, Angela Merkel, said this on television, I would fucking laugh my ass off.
Frustrated_me
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SMS sent from Turkish Republic: We are waiting everyone to the city squares to make secure national will:
Since militar coups have been able to institute democracy in quite a few cases, yeah it is. The Carnation Revolution in Portugal is still heavily celebrated today, and its the reason we have democracy now.
There already was democracy, it was under threat but still there. Now it will be gone for sure, great job.
hobblygobbly
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Yep. Apparently for pro-Erdogan supporters all that matters is if you are democratically elected, not the fact that you must govern and lead democratically. He has been consolidating more power that he is not supposed to have such as taking away power from the prime minister to the president (him), reforming judiciary system, jailing foreign and local journalists, and shutting down media operations. Work of a cult personality for people to be blind by this and their only news come from state media that they control.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
FTFY
ClosingADoor
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So Erdogan is for some reason forced by a failed coup to get rid of democratic institutions?
And then you also have examples of Zia Ul Haq And Abdul Fatah Sisi and their Military coups leading into complete dictatorships.
Mr. Giggles
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Then it's the public who will need to make things change.
I'm sorry but they used the system to put an asshole in power, it will be on them to undo the damage.
Captain Smoker
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What does this mean?
Do you think Erdogan cares?
Vital Tundra
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Everyone in this topic is confusing me. Is this a good thing, or a bad thing? From the looks of things it seems good, but I could be wrong.
But that is not what Erdogan or his supporters want.
And considering the support for Erdogan we see even in a supposed secular space like GAF and Turkish immigrants around Europe leads me to believe that it is 50 years of darkness for Turkey from here on out.
https://twitter.com/reutersworld/status/754293269614460928
Gulen lives in the USA, or?
Jesus, this PM.
Gulen lives in the USA, or?
Jesus, this PM.
The military's on Erdogan side though, that was a small group that attempted the coup. Is this constitutional? Shouldn't the minister of defense at least be the one to start the coup?
Can someone clarify?
Erdogan: "Oh nooooo not the EUUUUUUUUUU"
3000 judges being removed, many of them from the higher courts, and reinstating of the death penalty, and you somehow think this is good?
Just try us, Erdogan & co. Go ahead and try.
No. Just saying though, that's the consequences. They'll be on a par with Belarus at this rate.
Edit:
Council of Europe is separate to the EU. Check your facts.
Frustrated_me
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Propaganda to use the people to show a force of power.
echoshifting
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Yeah he lives in the US
Ragnar Blackmane
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That's like blaming the Germans for not getting rid of Hitler democratically after he completely took power after the Reichstagsbrand.
ClosingADoor
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It's a big grey area. While a military coup normally is not a good thing, Erdogan has been acting like a dictator more and more, and is dismantling the secularism Turkey was built upon.
If the coup had succeeded and a good transition to a new democratic government was made, it would have been a good thing.
It now has failed and Erdogan is using it to strengthen his position even more and get rid of opposing voices.
ferrasvansen
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He is doing things now which could trigger much worse coup in my opinion, he is making sure his supporters pack the streets so that cannot happen. That way he gets to dismantle the justice system and constitution while the people on the streets prevent that being stopped.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
turkey will be the land of thugs now. i would be getting the hell out if i lived there and had half a brain.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Hard to say just that the outcome in any way is the worst.
Where did I say that? You're just putting words in my mouth.
Erdogan himself said that democracy has no value in turkey.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
His Majesty
Banned
The coup succeeding without bloodshed could have been a good thing. But it failed and the fallout is looking very, very bad. It has provided Erdogan with an excellent opportunity to weed out opponents to the regime and strengthen his grip on his position.
Turkey will likely move further and further away from the secularist principles it has been founded on and more towards an Islamist fascist regime.
Chinese Cartoons
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We expect the civilians to come out and gather in the district square and protect our democracy.
Give or take.
civilians killed, soldiers being beaten in the streets, the judiciary system dismantled, what part of this seems good?
DXB-KNIGHT
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So US at war with Turkey?
Im going to Turkey next month for holiday, really hope this slows down before that. Also, feel bad for all non-Erdogan supporters in Turkey now. The future is going to be pure hell
Hope you will be fine and you very likely will be. Personally, I would never go to and support a country like what Turkey has become. I also wouldn't go to Russia, as magical as St. Petersburg might be.
Also, why do Turks behave like such blood-crazed fanatics? There are way worse videos out there (beheadings and smashed in heads) but even this rather tame video shocked me. It shows how the editorial staff of CNN Turk (not some street thugs!) is trying to basically lynch the soldiers. The police that came to arrest the soldiers has to protect them from the mob:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZ3tuIv_RI
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Nobody can tell what would have happened if the coup was successful. Maybe it would have been worse. But there was a good chance it was an attempt to get rid off a dictator-like figure.
Since the coup was a failure that dictator can now do whatever the fuck he wants in the name of "finding the ones responsible". Like, say, removing a third of the judges in the country. I'm gonna go ahead and say, probably the ones who disagreed with him. So yeah, this is a fucking bad thing.
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