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[Kozak]

So fucking sad to see my home country regress so rapidly.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Is that not a valid suggestion?

Not currently, no.

 

[nynt9]

Is that not a valid suggestion?

I mean, last time there were protests in Turkey protesters were shot in the head/tear gassed to death by the police, and people who speak out against Erdogan are arrested so...

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Do you have a Turkish twitter account? If you do you can try that now and see what happens.

I don't but what are people supposed to do if there is a legitimate concern here? Hide and hope things go back to normal?

 

[Frustrated_me]

Do you have a Turkish twitter account? If you do you can try that now and see what happens.

Fucking eh, m8.

 

[oti]

Do you have a Turkish twitter account? If you do you can try that now and see what happens.

Not cool.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Some people in this thread need to calm down. Turkey is not going to attack the US, Greece or any other country now. Erdogan is an asshole but not a comic super-villain.

Worst case scenario I can imagine is a former Yugoslavia conflict, Serbia vs. Kosovo situation where NATO and the world won't intervene while Erdogan pursues ethnic cleansing and turning Turkey into a full-blown authocratic islamic state.

I mean he's already had issues with the press. And he's fired over a third of judges in the country? And is apparently directing resources to find supporters of the coup on social media?

Obviously he isn't attacking the US. But that second paragraph does seem like something any sane person would be freaking out over?

 

[Phantast2k]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80J0FCe69to
So in a nutshell, is this what has happened yesterday?

 

[Alucrid]

Is that not a valid suggestion?

it depends on how much you value their freedom/lives

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

With all due respect, fleeing will only leave a vacuum and/or echo chamber for erdogan a rhetoric to grow.

the opposition needs to rally and speak out not flee imo

rofl, yea, "speak up" after a "failed coup".

Erdogan is demolishing checks and balances as we speak, the government wants citizens to report others who openly supported the coup

Speaking out against the government right now is how you either get killed or sent to the gulag

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Is that not a valid suggestion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests

Almost as many civilian deaths as have died in the coup.

 

[espher]

Catching up this morning. None of what has happened is surprisingly. This all played out perfectly for Erdogan. Convenient.

 

[Ether_Snake]

This is the exact reason political leaders of all opposition partys declared support for "democracy". It was to cover their asses. People pointing at how low the approval was for a coup are delusional if they think people didn't cover their asses for the inevitable aftermath.

Democracy and upholding the constitution, both were said preemptively knowing what might follow.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

Reason is that he's democratically elected by the people.

 

[blu]

Some people in this thread need to calm down. Turkey is not going to attack the US, Greece or any other country now. Erdogan is an asshole but not a comic super-villain.

Worst case scenario I can imagine is a former Yugoslavia conflict, Serbia vs. Kosovo situation where NATO and the world won't intervene while Erdogan pursues ethnic cleansing and turning Turkey into a full-blown authocratic islamic state.

I don't see what's 'worst case' in this perfectly likely scenario.

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

Not cool.

I'm dead serious. I think criticising the government in the public is not possible right now, considering that state agencies are trying to do a crackdown on social media accounts "supporting the coup".

 

[Reckheim]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

She has to.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

Reason is that he's democratically elected by the people.

I don't like how that phrase has been used as an excuse time and time again to ignore a ton of issues.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

it depends on how much you value their freedom/lives

rofl, yea, "speak up" after a "failed coup".

Erdogan is demolishing checks and balances as we speak, the government wants citizens to report others who openly supported the coup

Speaking out against the government right now is how you either get killed or sent to the gulag

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests

Almost as many civilian deaths as have died in the coup.

Fair enough guys but if not now then when?

Is this not a pivotal time in Turk history?

It's obvious here that there is a push to silence opposer to the government but there needs to be resistance - just silently standing by is going to let things go unchallenged

 

[NyMartin90]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

Reason is that he's democratically elected by the people.

Erdogan is probably still mad they refused him to land in Germany

 

[oti]

I'm dead serious. I think criticising the government in the public is not possible right now, considering that state agencies are trying to do a crackdown on social media accounts "supporting the coup".

I agree. Your post though: still not cool.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Fair enough guys but if not now then when?

Is this not a pivotal time in Turk history?

It's obvious here that there is a push to silence opposer to the government but there needs to be resistance - just silently standing by is going to let things go unchallenged

it's over

This is New Turkey, order is restored, council of mayhem is gone bla bla bla

 

[NHale]

More interesting is what is Erdogan's angling with Gulen. He knows this puts him in a face-off with the US. Why does he want this?

It's a show of force for his supporters and also the opposing forces. "I don't have any fear of those Americans! See how powerful me and the people of Turkey really are? We will stand against anyone!"

Nevermind the fact that Erdogan didn't dare to fly to Ankara last night, "opting" by going to the much more peaceful Istanbul... such bravery.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Fair enough guys but if not now then when?

Is this not a pivotal time in Turk history?

It's obvious here that there is a push to silence opposer to the government but there needs to be resistance - just silently standing by is going to let things go unchallenged

How would you do that? Did you see the crowds going into the street yesterday to support Erdogan? How are you going to speak up if the country itself is divided and the guys in charge are taking over the institutions that should protect you?

 

[mercenar1e]

Nevermind the fact that Erdogan didn't dare to fly to Ankara last night, "opting" by going to the much more peaceful Istanbul... such bravery.

Didn't you hear? He said they were ready to die for what they believe in.

He's a coward.

 

[wildfire]

Welp Erdogan won and it's doubtful this will be attempted again for decades.

 

[Qvoth]

uhhh what? the coup failed?

 

[Oersted]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

Reason is that he's democratically elected by the people.

Well, democracy has a pricetag. In this case refugees. She wouldn't say anything else.

 

[El Topo]

And edrogan doesn't fit that description?

He's not that crazy though.. right?

No? Please elaborate how Erdogan's policies and reactions imply that he would attack American soldiers. The guy is a corrupt, criminal scumbag and megalomaniac, but he's not a bonafide madman.

 

[sflufan]

uhhh what? the coup failed?

It failed before it was even executed.

 

[Tecnniqe]

uhhh what? the coup failed?

Yes, the more and more looking "coup" "fail"

 

[Dorsal Axe]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZW0K5

Turkish PM: Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey

Any country that stands by the Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen will not be a friend of Turkey and will be considered at war with the NATO member, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on Saturday.

The government said that followers of Gulen, who has been living in self-imposed exile in the United States for years, were behind the attempted coup by a faction of the military on Friday.

The government accuses Gulen of trying to build a "parallel structure" within the judiciary, education system, media and military as a way to overthrow the state, a charge the cleric denies.

 

[spekkeh]

The speed with which things are progressing, from Erdogans triumphant return amidst a rabble of conveniently present supporters to sacking a third of the judicial system a few hours later, lends an awful lot of credence that at least parts of this were preplanned, and Erdogan is now in a hurry to instate a police state that makes any chance of this coming out impossible.

 

[Jaleel]

Looks like the situation in Ankara is calming down:

Turkey’s state-run Anadolu agency says all soldiers involved in the attempted coup at the military headquarters in the capital, Ankara, have been taken into custody.

The report says anti-terrorism police will now conduct a detailed search at the headquarters.

John Kerry:

The United States, without any hesitation, squarely and unequivocally stands for democratic leadership, for the respect for the democratically elected leader and for constitutional process with that regard.

We stand by the Government of Turkey. It is our understanding that things are now calm, that order is being restored. I talked directly with my foreign minister counterpart, Mevlut Cavusoglu, last night at the time where things were still uncertain as to what was happening and expressed my confidence in him and in the Government and our readiness to be supportive.

At this moment, all of our embassy personnel are 100% accounted for and okay. We are working to determine that all of our citizens who are travelling in Turkey are equally well taken care of and protected.

There was obviously an unfortunate loss of life and so we extend our sympathies to all of the families of the victims, and our hope that in the immediate hours here things will remain calm. That there will be a constitutional process, and a legal process, that will deal appropriately with coup-plotters.

But as of this moment, Turkey’s co-operation with us with our coutner-terrorism efforts, in our Nato obligations and in our regional efforts with respect to Syria and Isis have not been affected negatively. All of that has continued as before.

I’m sure people will wonder about allegations of who may have instigated this and where support came from, the United States will obviously be supportive of any legitimate investigative efforts and under due process and within the law, we will be completely supportive of efforts to assist the Government if they so request.

source.

 

[Tyaren]

Erdogan is probably still mad they refused him to land in Germany

Lol, that didn't even happen. Was a false report.

 

[MUnited83]

Is that not a valid suggestion?

Do you realize what the situation is now in Turkey? Like, do you have any idea?

 

[jmdajr]

Things sound great!

 

[Chairman Yang]

Fair enough guys but if not now then when?

Is this not a pivotal time in Turk history?

It's obvious here that there is a push to silence opposer to the government but there needs to be resistance - just silently standing by is going to let things go unchallenged

Yes, this is a pivotal time in Turkish history...the time to stop Erdogan is now past. I doubt any challenge from this point forward will be effective.

 

[Markoman]

I mean he's already had issues with the press. And he's fired over a third of judges in the country? And is apparently directing resources to find supporters of the coup on social media?

Obviously he isn't attacking the US. But that second paragraph does seem like something any sane person would be freaking out over?

Exactly, "freaking out" as in posting on internet boards, twitter, facebook, maybe some protests in the streets, showing general condemnation. Did something like this help any of those who were killed in "uninteresting" conflicts all over this planet. Let's be completely honest to ourselves, if Turkey closes the door, no one of us is going to pick up a weapon to fight for those locked behind said door.
That's the bitter reality...

Erdogan will pull of some blackmailing, the whole Böhmerann incident in Germany was a nice way to demonstrate how easily it works with our politicians. He will step by step test out how far he can go, Putin style.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

it's over

This is New Turkey, order is restored, council of mayhem is gone bla bla bla

I disagree that it's over

How would you do that? Did you see the crowds going into the street yesterday to support Erdogan? How are you going to speak up if the country itself is divided and the guys in charge are taking over the institutions that should protect you?

Same way people demonstrated against the other dictators...will it be painless, of course not but that's how things are

I'm just trying to understand the mindset, that if not now then when, in 100 years?

Do you realize what the situation is now in Turkey? Like, do you have any idea?

I do, but instead of saying "dark times ahead guys, run away" and just dusting my hands id like to think that opposers to erdogan don't go down without a fight

As naive as that proposition sounds in present circumstances

 

[NyMartin90]

Lol, that didn't even happen. Was a false report.

woops lol nevermind

 

[MUnited83]

Merkel is condemning the coup.

Reason is that Turkey is a NATO member and the coup failed.

Fixed

 

[Ragnar Blackmane]

Lol, that didn't even happen. Was a false report.

He still hates their guts over the whole Armenian Resolution thing. he doesn't even allow German MPs into the country (to visit German troops stationed near the Syrian border).

 

[Oersted]

Exactly, "freaking out" as in posting on internet boards, twitter, facebook, maybe some protests in the streets, showing general condemnation. Did something like this help any of those who were killed in "uninteresting" conflicts all over this planet. Let's be completely honest to ourselves, if Turkey closes the door, no one of us is going to pick up a weapon to fight for those locked behind said door.
That's the bitter reality...

Erdogan will pull of some blackmailing, the whole Böhmerann incident in Germany was a nice way to demonstrate how easily it works with our politicians. He will step by step test out how far he can go, Putin style.

Hey man, Putin is a democratically elected leader. We stand firmly behind democracy.

 

[Qvoth]

It failed before it was even executed.

Yes, the more and more looking "coup" "fail"

i woke up to this news like 12+ hours ago and didn't follow it, just comes as a surprise
don't know the situation in turkey enough to have an opinion on erdogan, but one thing i can see happening is that him and his party will probably hold the power in turkey for the coming decades bar another coup

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Journalists saying a lot of people in turkey condemn the coup, even non Erdogan supporters. I wonder if that is the true or just the angst.

 

[dakun]

I disagree that it's over



Same way people demonstrated against the other dictators...will it be painless, of course not but that's how things are

I'm just trying to understand the mindset, that if not now then when, in 100 years?

did you see what happened yesterday. If the minority of secular Turks would go out to the streets they'd be greeted by an angry mob of Islamist Erdogan Supporters that are ready for violence.

 

[Phantast2k]

Grain of salt.

@ragipsoylu Washington Correspondent for @dailysabah

Journalist @sahmetsahmet says police was to arrest coup leaders yesterday before they mobilise, that led the coup

He says coup was planned for a later date but prosecutor's decision to arrest them scared them. They mobilised immediately,that's why failed

He also says Putschists hoped that PKK or ISIS would stage some attacks during the attempt, and coup would get support from anti-gov parties

He believes that Gulen and his disciples were the "brain" of the attempted coup in Turkey. Important to mention he is fiercely anti-gov

ALSO: Prosecutors decided to arrest this officers yesterday due to their alleged conspiracy agnst other officers to get higher ranks in mil

Final note: The prosecutors have launched this investigation on Gulenists officers; and those officers staged the coup attempt. Lovely...

 

[Tecnniqe]

Fixed

Ohff

i woke up to this news like 12+ hours ago and didn't follow it, just comes as a surprise
don't know the situation in turkey enough to have an opinion on erdogan, but one thing i can see happening is that him and his party will probably hold the power in turkey for the coming decades bar another coup

Well considering the cleansing he's doing in every aspect of the government this seems more and more like a staged opportunity to bolster his stranglehold on the country.

There's no way you can speak up in Turkey right now, especially since everyone there to protect you either gets arrested or is too afraid of doing anything.

 

[Frustrated_me]

Journalists saying a lot of people in turkey condemn the coup, even non Erdogan supporters. I wonder if that is the true or just the angst.

What are people supposed to say? They'll either get jailed or killed if they support their opinion.