A decent portion of the Muslim world (outside Turkey) reveres him as a strong leader who has quelled the secularism that took over after the Ottoman empire.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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A decent portion of the Muslim world (outside Turkey) reveres him as a strong leader who has quelled the secularism that took over after the Ottoman empire.
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DudeWithNoName
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He wasn't being serious, chief.
NyMartin90
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any links to live turkish news?
Ragnar Blackmane
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Gotta arrest those pesky Supreme Court judges before they dare oppose glorious democratically elected leader Erdogan in his restructuring and purging of the state.
RamzaIsCool
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Try to put yourself in their shoes.In case you don't want to be one of the first the newly reintroduced death penalty is exercised on, you would declare as fast and as publicly as possible that you have nothing to do with this coup...and that you pray in front of Erdogan's picture before you go to bed each night because you love and admire him so SO much.
Or Turks had such bad experiences with previous coups that people genuinely don't want that to happen again regardless the ideology they follow. Holy fuck people!
shinobi602
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Wait...why do we have nukes in Turkey...?
What does the judiciary have to with a failed military coup? Are the Turkish people really going to let Erdogan become a dictator who can do whatever he wants? What a sad day for Turkey
Funyarinpa
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I am ashamed to be living in a country with so much scum, under such an evil leader with so much support, with so little prospects of ever fixing the shitshow that is the Turkish society. I feel ready to give up on anything improving in this country, especially in the wake of this failed coup. Hence, I felt like saying "just wipe us all out and be done with it".
I know I haven't made myself clear and that it was an utterly inaccurate and offensive way to express myself. Apologies.
DudeWithNoName
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It was a good idea a few decades ago. Now, I hope the US pulls them out of there.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Cuba.
NyMartin90
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We've had them since the Cold War to keep the Soviet Union in check.
Some classes of missiles were removed as part of deal with the Cuban Missile Crisis but not all.
MMaRsu
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Im sure thats it man! Nevermind all those human rights that are being taken away.
1- What can his opponents do? His police force kills people, he arrests those who speak against him.
2- His supporters do not care. They only want Islam, and he delivers.
He himself has declared that democracy is irrelevant in Turkey and Hitler's Germany is a government to be looked up to.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-hitlers-germany-example-effective-government
shinobi602
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Location.
Reckheim
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Middle east
NyMartin90
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Damn I would not want to be in that line right now to get out of the country
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Deleted member 231381
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Because shorter-range ballistics are usually cheaper and more accurate, and Turkey is a NATO country.
Was there to launch attacks on Russia before longer range options became available. Still there for the same reason as well as being a nice commitment to Turkey.
Step 1: Get rid of judges.
Step 2: Consolidate power to the executive.
Step 3: Declare himself Grand Vizier.
Coriolanus
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It largely does.
NyMartin90
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It's still part of defense measures since Turkey is our ally and their historical enemy has always usually been Russia, who wants control of the Bosporus Straits. Putin's relations with the Turks hasn't been great.
The reporting yesterday was horrible in part because the "journalists" available from many Turkish outlets were Erdogan stooges. Something he copied directly from his nemesis' Putin's playbook. The BBC hosts were plainly frustrated as "reporters" parroted orders and tactical propaganda.
Further he has the same legions of astroturfers both paid and voluntary. You can see some in this very thread.
And all this is complicated by the fact that he is popular and building a cult of personality as he dismantles Ataturk's secular legacy.
He's a monstrous egotistical little Islamist Putin clone but an unpopular and violent coup is not the way to deal with him. Had it had popular and unified support there may have been a path to stability but yesterday was not that.
Erdogan can now accelerate the destruction of an incredible country and ally. He will swell the prisons and morgues starting today.
SDCowboy
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Because they're in NATO and they're our ally. Good news is they're US nukes, at least.
AuthenticM
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Fuck Erdogan
Ragnar Blackmane
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I'm not sure about that. Putin is ruthless, highly intelligent, cool-headed and calculating. Erdogan is a ruthless megalomaniac and an extremely emotional person prone to aggressive outbursts. I think the latter is far more likely to make really stupid and dangerous decisions in a heated moment.
Anyhow, we definitely need to keep the screws tight on Putin and the sanctions in place, if the West relents and shows weakness and allow Putin to push them around then things will get really ugly in the future, particularly in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
RamzaIsCool
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Being against coups doesn't mean that you condone all the shitty things Erdoğan is doing.
Welcome to the new Islamic Republic of Turkey.
Agree. Both are equally bad. But Erdogan seems way more dangerous and unstable...
Ether_Snake
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Chances are a coup would have been effective during massive protests like the park ones some time ago.
You use the word 'delusional'.
All parties of significance, ranging from Erdogan's political opposition to the military chain of command, rejected the coup. The coup failed, partly, because it had no significant institutional support, and because it seemed to have no significant popular support.
It's a huge step to live under military rule again, and if you feel the 2014 elections were fatally flawed, at least Erdogan was likely the people's actual choice. A military coup is the antithesis of democracy, and the very specter of it undermines the democratic process. To the extent a military coup can be a good thing for democracy every once in awhile, it wouldn't meet those qualifications here. Erdogan has become increasingly authoritarian over the years, but that's still not enough. Not yet. For one, there's no popular or mass opposition to him; nothing that would indicate the military would be following the general will by overthrowing him. And partly because of that, not only would a military coup be far less democratic than anything Erdogan has done, but it would likely undermine the country's stability significantly.
So when I think of throwing the word 'delusional' around, my instinct isn't to put it on the people who, say, point to the lack of vocalized support for a coup. If I were to put it on anyone, it would be the people who are acting like there aren't massive, practical reasons for sincerely rejecting a coup, especially for citizens of Turkey.
anonymous_abc
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
What clues? I've been out of the loop for a while
He's going to be there until his 80. The Turkish people ie his supporters have giving him the mandate to stay as long as he wants after yesterday's events.
GasProblem
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Uprising by who?
What clues are those?
Ragnar Blackmane
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Yeah, sure.
I can definitely see a second coup attempt happening tonight when the whole military is on high alert, massive purges and arrest waves have already happened and Erdogan is surrounded by thousands of loyal troops and followers *rollseyes*.
MisterFalcon
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There is, like, stuff on the internet. Serious stuff.
That "yesterday" it was a wholly secular nation and that the future of that is cloudy. This coup was in some ways a gift to Erdogan, who can now say 'Look! Secularism and freedom are of no use to us!'
In fact, I don't need to put words in his mouth, here's what he said months ago, before any of this:
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...lutely-No-Value-Any-Longer-20160318-0001.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
After the news today, opposition parties may need to consider aligning with whoever organized the prior night's coup. There will be no opposition left in a few weeks if they don't.
Not confirmed official information but many people says that the government was going to do operation to arrest these Gulen's Islamic Group's people in military last night. They heard it and tried this coup. It wasn't largely planned work. They just hoped to get Anti-Erdogan's support but they failed.
Here is the Tweet series from journalist who gets some information from the intelligent service. In Turkish, ofc. I can try to translate later
https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754293852748541952
Here is the Tweet series from journalist who gets some information from the intelligent service. In Turkish, ofc. I can try to translate later
https://twitter.com/sahmetsahmet/status/754293852748541952
Mr. Giggles
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Something called "nuclear weapons sharing" from NATO.
Turkey and other countries (Belgium, Germany, etc) have some US nukes, but can't arm them without codes from the US Dept. of Defense.
Ether_Snake
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Erdogan: "Democracy doesn't work, to hell with it."
Merkel: "We must respect the rightfully elected leader of democratic Turkey! Tanks have no place in the streets!"
Merkel: "We must respect the rightfully elected leader of democratic Turkey! Tanks have no place in the streets!"
DiipuSurotu
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The only uprising happening tonight is Erdogan destroying all remainders of democracy...
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