These poor soldiers.
I imagine a lot of them had little meaningful choice in the matter.
Do as ordered and you might end up on the losing side.
Refuse to do as ordered and you might end up on the losing side.
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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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I imagine a lot of them had little meaningful choice in the matter.
Do as ordered and you might end up on the losing side.
Refuse to do as ordered and you might end up on the losing side.
Spoiled Milk
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citation needed
I'm guessing the court of appeals was sacked due to them not ruling in favor of sending Erdogan's enemies to jail in the previous faked coup against Erdogan:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36099889
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36099889
maquiladora
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So, the image of a decapitated soldier being shared on social media has been proven to be fake.
But are they traitors for attempting a coup or fleeing their duty to fulfill the coup?
most of these soldiers had no idea what was going on and probably realized what happened and ran for it
Phantast2k
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What does the supreme Court have to do with the coup? Im confused.
It's ok democratically elected, or something. This is what the people want, i think.
TheRealTalker
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Ragnar Blackmane
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You know, might block Erdogan's changes of the constitution = coupist or something.
NyMartin90
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Many of the captured soldiers are being transported to detention facilities in public transportation buses. You can see they are all shirtless, also listen to the crowd's reaction when they see the bus.
https://twitter.com/140journos/status/754331251646066688
https://twitter.com/140journos/status/754331251646066688
Phantast2k
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Yes & I have no idea why people keep regurgitating it without further proof.
Shh. Let democracy happen.
Same in Germany. To understand, you just have to look back. Who were those that came in the 60s, then you'll understand. I suppose those people and their kids whom you're taking about aren't well educated and not integrated.
Ether_Snake
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I was going to post precisely that: Erdogan will use Incirlik as a way to get Gulen, and Kerry's statement was pretty much "just give a good excuse to comply please, anything palpable will be fine".
These poor soldiers.
They are treated like cattle, no, much worse... Here is another one I better not directly link. There's no blood...but it's imo very unnerving and painful to see.
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13730928_887996524640324_1371925676012045284_o.jpg
paperboywriter
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So was is staged or is it a genuine coup?
I find it hard to understand them when they are insulting the country they are actually living in now, they could always go back to Erdogan's Turkey.
Erdogan supporters right there.
It would make a lot of things easier if they just all moved there. But not even they would choose to move there for obvious reasons. So they just continue bringing Turkish conflicts to Europe. That's also why politicians are opposing the EU visa deal here (despite Merkel wanting it).
Asking for blood apparently isn't bannable on here.
Looks staged.
Everything going his way and only bolster him.
They seem to want that and just purged the justice system of all opposers of it by the looks of it.
paperboywriter
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Any evidence for coup/ no coup? Genuine question.
Well at least they are still in the EU eh?
Premature to call it staged. There is zero evidence of that.
No offense, but you just discovered literally a couple of hours ago that Turkey is not in the EU. Making this kind of statements needs some kind of proof or understanding of the situation.
TheRealTalker
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They didn't send the purported Gulenist conspirators to jail last time, so and because obviously Gulen arranged this coup, they are part of the conspiracy.
Are not, won't be anytime soon and I doubt they even want to at this point.
NEWSFLASH - TURKEY STILL NOT IN THE EU - NEWSFLASH
What does this say?
"We are OK"
TheRealTalker
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if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a
face then at least also post the atrocities they committedyeah agree. Staged to me would mean that these soldiers were part of it. I'm 100% sure the soldiers went into this thinking they were really taking over. It was manipulated in exactly the fashion you said. At most i think they were surprised by the timing, but 100% prepared for what the response would be. Starting with the fact that the rest of the military stood down when it happened and them making the population take back the country. They knew the sheer number of Erdogan supporters would overwhelm the small fraction of coupist.
Yeah that's probably a better word for it.
He's taking a jab at me, like a few, for thinking they were a part of EU while they are not an apparently only on a few councils.
A few were nice enough to point out my mistake while others not so much, however it looks like he lost nothing and gained everything.
Democracy
TheRealTalker
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there was an explanation that I posted earlier before
what is more likely it seems is that they prematurely did this when they instead had a later date for it
if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a
You know that justice isn't applied collectively and it's never OK to punish people outside of the law no matter what they did? At least in a civilised country.
if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a
so Islamist Erdogan supporters can come here and talk about how they deserve to be beheaded?
Frustrated_me
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FuckThese poor soldiers.
Gemüsepizza
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if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a
What atrocities have the soldiers pictured there committed? And if they are suspected of criminal activity, shouldn't they be arrested, treated decently in accordance with human right conventions, so that they can receive a fair trial, which determines if they are guilty?
TheRealTalker
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you know some civilians would likely not be so happy after some soldiers shot at you... mow down heavy ammo on you via a helicopter... held you at gunpoint to report their statements... bombed your facilities... rushed your news rooms... ran you over with tanks... etc...
you see tons of footage were the situation was handled well and disarming actually occurred
of course in a large pool of people there would be some who are more enraged and seek out violence but compare the death toll of civilians compared to the toll the civilians did to the army and it becomes minute
Civilians are not the one who should decide who is guilty and who's not. Also the involved people shouldn't not be punished before it's decided who's guilty of what exactly. (especially when we saw soldiers that showed a lot of self-constraint even when people where kicking their heads on a tank).
I hope this is not a concept too difficult to grasp for you.
TheRealTalker
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No and I didn't advocate for that
I said that basically these people who are doing a coup aren't saints either
Gemüsepizza;210194265 said:
idk maybe they did do atrocities and maybe they didn't
of course right now they are being held by people who are enraged with them
and indeed human right conventions must be followed
they should be trialed but not executed since likely there are a ton who were just pawns in this but who like the civilians who ran out last night could've ignored the said order
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