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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Clockwork5
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Who also came out in unanimous support of Erdogen.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
noobie really has no idea what he's talking about, and Erdogan heavily limited who can run against him so calling Turkey a democracy right now is laughable as well.
I was simply making a point about the diplomatic language.
These poor soldiers.
poor soldiers?
you've got to be kidding me
do you realize that these cunts attempted a coup against a democratically elected government that has left more than 100 dead?
the liberal rhetoric on this forum is turning into plain and simple stupidity, and this thread is the perfect example
phony activists man, posting from their Iphones about human rights on the Internet while heading to the next pokestop
what a time to be alive
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Greece or Bulgaria are always your closest options. Neither countries are among the richest in the EU (yes, an understatement), but they have proper internet (essential for your occupation), and well, don't have their Erdogans in power. So far.This country was mess but now... I can't even speech!
I must run from this hell. I'm an digital artist and can't live in Turkey anymore, i was already planning to run but now, i must do it soon, realy soon.Maybe someone can help me to find a job in nice country, i can work so hard for run this shit place. I dunno, i'm just trying my change here.
They even closed Paypal in Turkey and i was earn money with this way...
Some sample of my draw:
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Previous coups led to democratic elections.
The current state of the country is a "democracy" in name only.
After the coup had failed.
Clockwork5
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They made this statement during the coup. As the US's declaration of support for the current regime. They were in no way hedging their bets for the "winner".
Pancake Mix
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The vast majority of those soldiers did nothing violent and were trying to remove someone who limited who could run against him and practises a dangerous ideology. Now they're going to be treated horribly, so there's concern. I don't know how some of you can have this bizarre ideology where Turkey counts as a democracy in 2016.
i cancelled my citizenship over (EDIT: correction) 10 years ago when i had the chance. I feel like i gained more security through that. I don't see the benefit in being a citizen of a country that has completely lost its way. I'm an atheist and secularist. If i wanted to express myself i'd be in danger anytime i'm in Turkey, especially when it comes to the atheist part.
Now i don't have any intentions to go back anymore. I'm trying to get part of my family to come live with me to get them out of this shitty situation.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit
A "democratically elected government (which wasnt democratically elected" and that has killed much more than 100 people and jailed even more? Ah yes, such a nice democratic government for sure.
Yes, it was during the coup, but the statement does not mention Erdrogan. It does not mention ANYTHING specific. It's a deliberately vague statement designed to keep us the fuck out of things. It's Diplomacy 101.
The police and most factions of the army were fighting the coupsters and half of the country stormed the streets in protest and some were willing to die to prevent this coup. Do you genuinenly think that anything good would've come out of this if it succeeded?
It would have led to a fucking civil war, that's what would've happened. Even as a Turk who is extremely opposed to Erdogan, a more authoritarian regime under Erdogan is something I would pick over a civil war any day of the week.
Fuck Gülen who was willing to steer this country into utter chaos or an authoritarian regime under Erdogan (depending on if it succeded or not) by orchestrating this coup
110+ pages and still... lol
Look up Erdagon's elections and Turkey's Constitution + history.
Clockwork5
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Wrong again.
The Hamburglar
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There's talk of them bringing back the death penalty now... He really will use this coup enact more dictator like laws, he really is a pos.
Clockwork5
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There are other statements diplomats use to express their desire to "keep us the fuck out of things".
Declaring support for one side is the antithesis of this sentiment.
So let me get this straight. You traveled all the way from Australia to the UK to campaign for Leave, a movement fueled by paranoid bigotry, and now your family in Turkey is under threat by paranoid bigots.
That's some high speed chickens coming home to roost shit.
I hope your family remains safe.
dripdripsplash
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People are such hypocrites in this thread. Democracy, but only if they do what we think is right.
The military guys aren't angels you know, they hate the Kurds more than the Islamists do.
They are the ones doing the killing of them.
The military guys aren't angels you know, they hate the Kurds more than the Islamists do.
They are the ones doing the killing of them.
They didn't declare support. It is worded in a way where the US can retroactively claim it supported the winning side either way.
Erdrogan wins = we support his "democratic" government"
Coup Wins = we want to see democratic elections ASAP
This is blatantly obvious because they did not name any specific parties.
Goodbye and good riddance.
Clockwork5
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My goodness. I'm done with you.
hobblygobbly
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Even if Erdogan was "democratically elected", he and his party + government haven't been governing democratically. Turkey is teetering between an authoritarian bureaucratic state (i.e Russia) and a legal dictatorship. You do realise that criticism extends into how a one governs (or lack of) democratically? The question of democracy doesn't end whether they were elected democratically or not, that's a very naive perception of democracy.
SilentRacoon
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The mental gymnastics behind this statement is amusing.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Stockholm syndrome much?
It's not the megalomaniac who directly fucks up your political scape, it's the one guy who parted with Erdogan and had to flee the country (former allies -> deadliest enemies).
luckygodzilla
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Ah yes, because clearly winning an election gives a ruler complete freedom to trample the Constitution of their nation and suppress some of the most basic human rights of its citizens.
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Deleted member 231381
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There's a rather large ground between "this coup was an absolutely terrible idea" and "Erdogan is absolutely perfect and I have no complaints about this".
gutter_trash
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some think that democratically elected = a blank check to transform the country into semi-dictatorship and it's okay
imagine if Trump circumvented the Supreme Court, abolished term limits, created a secret police and cracked down on critics and jailed them
democratically elected.... LOL
imagine if Trump circumvented the Supreme Court, abolished term limits, created a secret police and cracked down on critics and jailed them
democratically elected.... LOL
I don't support the coup killing protesters, but do you realize "democratically elected" Erdogan has the blood of more than hundreds on his hands?
For accurately describing the amorphous statement the US put out that covered it's diplomatic bases while not directly committing a bet to a dog in the fight?
Phantast2k
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Oh wow, the Turkish minister of labor is on gaf :O
@140journos
Çalışma Bakanı Süleyman Soylu, Habertürk canlı yayınında konuşuyor: "Bu darbenin arkasında Amerika vardır."
@aykan_erdemir Aykan Erdemir hat 140journos retweetet
#BREAKING - #Turkish Minister @suleymansoylu announced on @HaberturkTV that #UnitedStates is behind the coup attempt
Dream_Journey
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Come to Germany
Btw. do you have any idea why turkish people who have been to Turkey once and actually have a German citizenship, grew up here, "live" German support Erdogan?
That would be awesome, but you are joking right, right?
They are seeing Erdogan like a prophet. They are also brainwashed with islam and probably AKP feeding them.
Also there is 9 million people cannot read and write but they choose our future.
As a digital artist you could probably work from most European countries.
Also love the art style on some of these
Bionic warrior <3
Hope i can.
Glad you like it, thanks.
Thanks for the tip. But i need to find a job for permission to stay.
comshoplesce
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This was all part of his setup.
Speaking of which, I got an alert earlier saying the US base had its power cut off and had been sealed off. Anyone know if there have been further developments?
Pretty scary when you have a member of cabinet throwing around rhetoric like that in the midst of this shitstorm.
Phantast2k
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@CNNTURK_ENG
#BREAKING Turkish President Erdoğan speaks live, calls U.S to hand over Fethullah Gulen to if U.S is strategic ally
That certainly feeds into conspiracy theories about a fake coup.
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No further developments, afaik.
Erdogan is using all this to pressure US into extraditing Gülen.
Nonsense. A military coup is the opposite of "democratically elected govt". Furthermore, considering the situation in the region, the US was not going to benefit from a coup.
There is little doubt the US had to support Erdogan.
There was a certain irony to Erdogan encouraging protests.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I bet the same people who were against the military coup in Egypt are with the military coup in Turkey
Phantast2k
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Yes, but there's no reason to believe that a military dictatorship would be handling the Kurdish situation any better. If the past is any indication, they would not.
No, the US stays the fuck out of it publicly until there's a victor. This is how diplomacy works- you do more harm than good publicly picking a side because it completely fucks with the internal politics of the other country.
Could you not form a company or LLC in said country and make that your way to stay as you employ yourself in a company you made in their country?That would be awesome, but you are joking right, right?
They are seeing Erdogan like a prophet. They are also brainwashed with islam and probably AKP feeding them.
Also there is 9 million people cannot read and write but they choose our future.
Hope i can.
Glad you like it, thanks.
Thanks for the tip. But i need to find a job for permission to stay.
Maybe not. But I have no doubts the end result will be worse for Kurds in the future than a coup reset would have been.
Erdogan has replaced the entire judiciary and will now replace the military. When he becomes increasingly unpopular he's going to turn to nationalist politics again and use the Kurds as his political punching bag.
Phantast2k
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Sure comrade Rubenov, but first:
- Get rid of Putin
- GTFO of Ukraine's Donbas region
- GTFO of Crimea
- GTFO of Abkhazia
- GTFO of South Ossetia
- GTFO of Transnistria
- Admit responsibility for MH17 and pay damages
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That is, of source, not unlikely. Plus, the Kurds will gain more and more independence in Syria. This is probably why he's slowly trying to fix his relationship with Assad.
short term maybe because the attention is elsewhere right now. Long Term, sadly no.
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