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[KingSnake]

Catching up with the news of 2700 judges being removed and some hundreds arrested. It makes you wonder how many journalists and civilians will have "participated" in the coup within a week or so?

 

[Ether_Snake]

"Staged" is probably too strong a word- I think "manipulated" is a better one. It's looking more likely that they knew about this, forced their hand with the imminent staff purges, and were completely prepared with a response.

Of course he knew.

April 7 article from Washington Post:

Turkey’s Erdogan uses military coup buzz to expand powers, curb dissent

Turkey’s military leaders, in the face of rising speculation at home and abroad, took the extraordinary step last week of denying plans for a coup. But with domestic turmoil, a rising terrorist threat, chaos in the region and a history of military interventions in Ankara, the denials haven’t quieted buzz from Washington.

[...]

But some see Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan using even the rumors of a military takeover as a way to consolidate his already growing powers and curb political dissent.

[...]

“What that means is that the AKP-controlled, pro-government media in Turkey has been devoting substantial time and energy to publicizing these coup rumors

[...]

An editorial last month on the Kremlin-controlled Sputnik International news website said the Turkish military has been “gradually building up its political influence, thus laying the grounds for a military coup.”

[...]

But the coup talk also received a major boost from an unlikely source — a blog posted on the website of the Washington-based conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon official and a defense and security analyst at AEI, argued that Mr. Erdogan’s authoritarian tactics of “imprisoning opponents, seizing newspapers left and right, and building palaces at the rate of a mad sultan or aspiring caliph” have grown “out of control.”

If Turkish military officials were to respond with a coup, Mr. Rubin wrote, no one would stop them and Washington would go along with it — just as the Obama administration accepted the Egyptian military’s ouster of a short-lived Muslim Brotherhood government in Cairo three years ago.

Mr. Rubin said in an interview that he was not suggesting a coup may be imminent.

“I was saying that if the Turkish military were to act, the U.S. will back it up — that Erdogan has become such a liability that Washington would not lift a finger to see his restoration to power should anyone decide to oust him Egypt-style.”

Welp

 

[TheRealTalker]

Civilians are not the one who should decide who is guilty and who's not. Also the involved people shouldn't not be punished before it's decided who's guilty of what exactly. (especially when we saw soldiers that showed a lot of self-constraint even when people where kicking their heads on a tank).

I hope this is not a concept too difficult to grasp for you.

am I talking about the current situation that got settled down

am I talking about the current people who are arrested and are under police custody... NO I AM NOT

you need to grasp what I am saying instead

post coup should be held under the government with respecting human rights

when the coup was going on a majority of the soldiers were not extremely harmed relative to the large amount of civilian deaths

 

[KingSnake]

am I talking about the current situation that got settled down

am I talking about the current people who are arrested and are under police custody... NO I AM NOT

you need to grasp what I am saying instead

You're the one who decided to reply to a picture showing people being not so fairly treated with "yeah, but show here what have they done to the civilians" which strongly implies that the people in the picture are guilty of atrocities and deserve the treatment they got.

 

[trembli0s]

"Staged" is probably too strong a word- I think "manipulated" is a better one. It's looking more likely that they knew about this, forced their hand with the imminent staff purges, and were completely prepared with a response.

I agree 100%. This was the inevitable outcome of a unipolar political structure with the army's secular role still in place.

Erdogan has been jailing or firing every non-Erdogoon he could legally, and in some cases illegally, get his hands on. He's been waiting for a coup to happen and has had his lists ready to go for quite some time.

His replacement of the mid-level leadership with more goons was the last shot for the armed forces so he had to be aware there was a distinct possibility for a coup.

He correctly intuited that controlling religion would give him the backing to dismantle the secular Turkish state. The mosques calling people to arms in the streets is evidence of where Turkey is heading.

The next few years are going to result in increased Islamization and the persecution of gays, Kurds, Christians, and other minorities.

Europe needs to be prepared or the whole EU is going to collapse under the stress of another refugee crisis when all those folks try to escape Erodgan's New Turkey.

 

[TheRealTalker]

You're the one who decided to reply to a picture showing people being not so fairly treated with "yeah, but show here what have they done to the civilians" which strongly implies that the people in the picture are guilty of atrocities and deserve the treatment they got.

what I replied to was the bias the poster was doing trying to frame these soldiers in a good light

we need balanced reporting and not some one sided shenanigans

I also believe if a civilian killed a soldier not on self defense he too should be arrested and trailed

 

[Tyaren]

if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a face then at least also post the atrocities they committed

These are not "arrested soldiers" these are "dehumanized, tortured and in some cases lynched soldiers". There is NO excuse for these actions. This is the real atrocity! And who are you or the mob to decide who is gulity of an "atrocity" or not?

 

[TheRealTalker]

These are not "arrested soldiers" these are "dehumanized, tortured and in some cases lynched soldiers". There is NO excuse for these actions. This is the real atrocity!

yes hitting the soldiers and talking off their clothing is indeed wrong

I admit that and believe it should be addressed in a more reasoning matter

I also know these guys were killing people with Ware fare weaponry last night

 

[KingSnake]

what I replied to was the bias the poster was doing trying to frame these soldiers in a good light

we need balanced reporting and not some one sided shenanigans

I also believe if a civilian killed a soldier not on self defense he too should be arrested and trailed

We got plenty of balancing from you and others in this thread, I wouldn't be worried about that.

 

[mercenar1e]

These poor soldiers.

they face death now or later.. if it makes it to the court the case will most likely be presided by erdo shit heads henchmen.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

Soldiers who surrendered and are now captive. All stripped of uniform and in handcuffs. Several government officials claimed they don't deserve to wear the uniform of Turkey, from what I've seen.

This is why you never surrender under any circumstances.

 

[TheRealTalker]

We got plenty of balancing from you and others in this thread, I wouldn't be worried about that.

I am just tired now so I am not going to post in this thread for awhile

 

[Chairmanchuck]

yes hitting the soldiers and talking off their clothing is indeed wrong

I admit that and believe it should be addressed in a more reasoning matter

I also know these guys were killing people with Ware fare weaponry last night

How can you be so sure that it was "these guys" exactly that did it?

 

[davepoobond]

they face death now or later.. if it makes it to the court the case will most likely be presided by erdo shit heads henchmen.

There's apparently no death penalty in Turkey

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Catching up with the news of 2700 judges being removed and some hundreds arrested. It makes you wonder how many journalists and civilians will have "participated" in the coup within a week or so?

I just woke up and all I can think is how really concerned I am for anyone in Turkey right now who was here or anywhere online last night voicing support for Erdogan's ouster.

 

[NyMartin90]

There's apparently no death penalty in Turkey

For now..... possibly

 

[TheRealTalker]

How can you be so sure that it was "these guys" exactly that did it?

I am not

I said they need to be treated well and also investigation need to be had

but then they also could've done it too

just like some civilians who foolishly ran out on Erdogan's call some follow the order of a coup

 

[nynt9]

There's apparently no death penalty in Turkey

Erdogan's government has started talking about reinstating it.

 

[Haribi]

This coup is the worst thing that could have happened to Turkey - regardless of the outcome.

If it had succeeded I can guarantee you it would've resulted in a civil war with thousands of deaths and a political vacuum that could produce people even more dangerous than Erdogan.
Now that it failed, it will lead to an even more authoritarian regime under Erdogan.

I hope the people behind it, not the simple soldiers, will be prosecuted harshly. I'm not talking about death penalty tho, I'm against it under any circumstances.

 

[Tyaren]

I also know these guys were killing people with Ware fare weaponry last night

Oh, so you have witnessed each of these men's crimes last night and you recognize each of them in this picture?

 

[mercenar1e]

There's apparently no death penalty in Turkey

he faced no backlash with the removal of 2,000+ judges. he can and will most likely bring the death penalty for the people that oppose him. its a dictators go to tool.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

I am not

I said they need to be treated well and also investigation need to be had

But thats what people say here. While others say "these turks", you are saying "these soldiers."
This is what you said:

if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a face then at least also post the atrocities they committed

"they"

 

[TheRealTalker]

Oh, so you have witnessed each of these men's crimes last night and you recognize each of them in this picture?

look at my previous post sir

I mean you were jumping to get that reply right now congrats

But thats what people say here. While others say "these turks", you are saying "these soldiers."
This is what you said:



"they"

generalization was on both sides

I generalized on that statement as well


whatever wording is said doesn't change the fact of the previous posts above

 

[Slime]

The comparison has already been made several times, but this is definitely shaping up to be Erdogan's Reichstag moment. He's not even being subtle about it.

 

[AaronB]

The most amusing (in a dark way) part of this story was the US response. "We always support democratically elected governments, and refuse to deal with countries where there was a coup." Guess we owe apologies to over a dozen countries where the US has encouraged or instigated a coup. Also, Saudi Arabia needs to watch its back - we only support democracies now.

A few other thoughts:

Erdogan has been in power for about 15 years; he's had plenty of time to purge the military and police leadership of anyone viewed as disloyal to him. Even school principles who aren't in his AK Party are liable to get a pink slip and be replaced with a loyalist. I don't know how many military officers, and how many of the soldiers they lead, were really up to a coup.

This seems to have been a pretty one-sided affair, but one of the major victories for the regime was that Erdogan was able to get word out to his supporters to rally in the streets - aired by a Facetime message to CNN Turk. Coup forces shut down CNN Turk for awhile, but too late.

What Louis XIV said could have been said by Erdogan: "I am the state." I don't think the AK Party and the ruling government could continue the way it is now without him; Erdogan just replaced the Prime Minister, had ditched the previous president just a few years ago, and no one else has even 10% of his stature. Grabbing him would have been the decisive blow of the coup; not doing so doomed it.

 

[Oersted]

There's apparently no death penalty in Turkey

Give Erdogan a second

 

[Chairmanchuck]

look at my previous post sir

I mean you were jumping to get that reply right now congrats


generalization was on both sides

I generalized on that statement as well


whatever wording is said doesn't change the fact of the previous posts above

The post you are replying too is about the image and yes. They, the people in the picture are treated like cattle in that image and the other one. There wasnt any generalization about the other opposition in that post.

You try to jump to defend that "But look what they did! Killing people!" while you dont even know whether these soldiers killed anyone or were just pawns.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Indeed without any doubts Erdogan wins from this

and that is unfortunate to say the least

The post you are replying too is about the image and yes. They, the people in the picture are treated like cattle in that image and the other one.

yes they are treated like cattle

yes that is indeed wrong and should be criticized

but your point with me is?

 

[Funyarinpa]

I wonder how non-AKP/Erdogan supporters deal with life in Turkey.

I don't feel I'm Turkish anymore. My lack of interest in the Turkish history and culture is a part of it, but when you're a closeted atheist and the country is ran based on Islam, you end up feeling alienated. Thankfully I have the means to study university abroad, so I might be able to get out, but I'll br leaving many friends and relatives behind, most importantly my parents and sister... No way out. No voice. No hope. I'm in a well-off family though and in a very good high school, so I can manage. But there are people who think like me and are unable to leave this shithole. For them, it must be living hell. It's barely bearable for me as is.

As a side note, I got a text message claiming to be from the government that says:

Tum halkimizi milli iradeye, demokrasiye sahip cikmak uzere meydanlara davet ediyoruz.Turkiye Cumhuriyet Devleti

It translates as follows:
"We invite all of our folk to squares [and streets, parks, public spaces...] in order to defend national will and democracy. Government of the Republic of Turkey"

Fucking surreal

 

[Chairmanchuck]

but your point with me is?

You are trying to defend that.

All your posts seem to be: "They have to be treated like humans, but look what "they" did. "They" killed people.

I said they need to be treated well and also investigation need to be had

but then they also could've done it too

I also know these guys were killing people with Ware fare weaponry last night

 

[Clockwork5]

So the White House released a statement last night that "all parties in Turkey should support the democratically elected government of Turkey"

I wasn't aware of that.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/attempted-military-coup-underway-turkey/story?id=40618135

 

[Animator]

I don't feel I'm Turkish anymore. My lack of interest in the Turkish history and culture is a part of it, but when you're a closeted atheist and the country is ran based on Islam, you end up feeling alienated. Thankfully I have the means to study university abroad, so I might be able to get out, but I'll br leaving many friends and relatives behind, most importantly my parents and sister... No way out. No voice. No hope. I'm in a well-off family though and in a very good high school, so I can manage. But there are people who think like me and are unable to leave this shithole. For them, it must be living hell. It's barely bearable for me as is.

As a side note, I got a text message claiming to be from the government that says:


It translates as follows:
"We invite all of our folk to squares [and streets, parks, public spaces...] in order to defend national will and democracy. Government of the Republic of Turkey"

Fucking surreal

I feel the same. I left Turkey years ago and have no intention of ever going back. Thinking about just cancelling my citizenship since I already have a Canadian citizenship as well.

 

[kirblar]

So the White House released a statement last night that "all parties in Turkey should support the democratically elected government of Turkey"

I wasn't aware of that.

It's an intentionally amorphous statement because "democratically elected" will mean whatever the end result is.

 

[TheRealTalker]

You are trying to defend that.

All your posts seem to be: "They have to be treated like humans, but look what "they" did. "They" killed people.

No I am not

I am trying to prevent romanticizing people on any side


Here is an arrest too by the way
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754321798158835712

Some Uber Pro Erdogan people would blabber on how well they handled that

I can grab multiple pockets from anywhere as well to have some random pointless arguments of stupidity




Side Note: Most of these coup factions are from the forces that kill the Kurds under Erdogans orders


and surprise they arrest the Kurds the same way


this is more like bad vs bad then any black and white scenario


all of which I condemn

ll your posts seem to be: "They have to be treated like humans, but look what "they" did. "They" killed people

I said they need to be treated well and also investigation need to be had

but then they also could've done it too
I also know these guys were killing people with Ware fare weaponry last night

The UNIT THE FACTION THE COUP PEOPLE

goodness me

you want me to run down some other stuff for you

 

[SilentRacoon]

I just woke up and all I can think is how really concerned I am for anyone in Turkey right now who was here or anywhere online last night voicing support for Erdogan's ouster.

Order is restored

Now the appointed judges will dance to Erdogan whistle, now there is no doubt that anyone tried for treason will be embraced by the sweet justice of death.

 

[Clockwork5]

It's an intentionally amorphous statement because "democratically elected" will mean whatever the end result is.

No, a successful military coup does not mean "democratically elected"

It is a very clear statement.

 

[Tempy]

I feel the same. I left Turkey years ago and have no intention of ever going back. Thinking about just cancelling my citizenship since I already have a Canadian citizenship as well.

I'd keep that citizenship. There's always the chance that the future will be different.

 

[kazegami]

I feel the same. I left Turkey years ago and have no intention of ever going back. Thinking about just cancelling my citizenship since I already have a Canadian citizenship as well.

I wish I could do this. Last year, I got job offers from Ireland twice. Both positions were cancelled for budget reasons.

Well, a worse future is waiting for us, decent human beings (45% of the population), here.

 

[Dream_Journey]

This country was mess but now... I can't even speech!

I must run from this hell. I'm an digital artist and can't live in Turkey anymore, i was already planning to run but now, i must do it soon, realy soon. Maybe someone can help me to find a job in nice country, i can work so hard for run this shit place. I dunno, i'm just trying my change here.

They even closed Paypal in Turkey and i was earn money with this way...

Some sample of my draw:

https://abload.de/img/crowslpke0.png
https://abload.de/img/1yak97.png
https://abload.de/img/legendryassasinupdate9ejpl.png
https://abload.de/img/bionic_warriorg0ji8.jpg
https://abload.de/img/eu_sunt_dracullckra.jpg
https://abload.de/img/nxyank91.jpg
https://abload.de/img/warriorf3jtl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/mad_warrior_92k0m.jpg
https://abload.de/img/thunder_dragon37jk6.jpg
https://abload.de/img/titansk0ki9.jpg

 

[Chairmanchuck]

This country was mess but now... I can't even speech!

I must run from this hell. I'm an digital artist and can't live in Turkey anymore, i was already planning to run but now, i must do it soon, realy soon. Maybe someone can help me to find a job in nice country, i can work so hard for run this shit place. I dunno, i'm just trying my change here.

They even closed Paypal in Turkey and i was earn money with this way...

Some sample of my draw:

https://abload.de/img/crowslpke0.png
https://abload.de/img/1yak97.png
https://abload.de/img/legendryassasinupdate9ejpl.png
https://abload.de/img/bionic_warriorg0ji8.jpg
https://abload.de/img/eu_sunt_dracullckra.jpg
https://abload.de/img/nxyank91.jpg
https://abload.de/img/warriorf3jtl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/mad_warrior_92k0m.jpg
https://abload.de/img/thunder_dragon37jk6.jpg
https://abload.de/img/titansk0ki9.jpg

Come to Germany

Btw. do you have any idea why turkish people who have been to Turkey once and actually have a German citizenship, grew up here, "live" German support Erdogan?

 

[MisterFalcon]

Here is an arrest too by the way
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754321798158835712

There sure are a lot of heavily armed men in civilian clothes and a flak jacket on all the pictures coming out of Turkey.

 

[noobie]

America has never liked to deal with democracy in Muslim countries in the past when it wanted to change something. Before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a military coup was successfully implemented in Pakistan, similarly before the American second invasion of Afghanistan again Pakistan was put under military rule and Americans did all the dealing with a single dictator.

So I m sure this coup attempt by Americans was partoff their strategy for middle East. Now after its failure they must be scrambling for new strategy.

Btw if some one has seen the press release by the state department they might have noticed that it mentioned this coup as an uprising.

 

[TheRealTalker]

There sure are a lot of heavily armed men in civilian clothes and a flak jacket on all the pictures coming out of Turkey.

Erdogan had some guys too

could be police... could be security forces

could be even some pro Erdogan army people.... could also be civilians who got weapons

 

[Tecnniqe]

This country was mess but now... I can't even speech!

I must run from this hell. I'm an digital artist and can't live in Turkey anymore, i was already planning to run but now, i must do it soon, realy soon. Maybe someone can help me to find a job in nice country, i can work so hard for run this shit place. I dunno, i'm just trying my change here.

They even closed Paypal in Turkey and i was earn money with this way...

Some sample of my draw:

https://abload.de/img/crowslpke0.png
https://abload.de/img/1yak97.png
https://abload.de/img/legendryassasinupdate9ejpl.png
https://abload.de/img/bionic_warriorg0ji8.jpg
https://abload.de/img/eu_sunt_dracullckra.jpg
https://abload.de/img/nxyank91.jpg
https://abload.de/img/warriorf3jtl.jpg
https://abload.de/img/mad_warrior_92k0m.jpg
https://abload.de/img/thunder_dragon37jk6.jpg
https://abload.de/img/titansk0ki9.jpg

As a digital artist you could probably work from most European countries.

Also love the art style on some of these
Bionic warrior <3

 

[Steel]

America has never liked to deal with democracy in Muslim countries in the past when it wanted to change something. Before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a military coup was successfully implemented in Pakistan, similarly before the American second invasion of Afghanistan again Pakistan was put under military rule and Americans did all the dealing with a single dictator.

So I m sure this coup attempt by Americans was partoff their strategy for middle East. Now after its failure they must be scrambling for new strategy.

Btw if some one has seen the press release by the state department they might have noticed that it mentioned this coup as an uprising.

Why the fuck would America want to start shit in a NATO ally country?

 

[DudeWithNoName]

America has never liked to deal with democracy in Muslim countries in the past when it wanted to change something. Before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a military coup was successfully implemented in Pakistan, similarly before the American second invasion of Afghanistan again Pakistan was put under military rule and Americans did all the dealing with a single dictator.

So I m sure this coup attempt by Americans was partoff their strategy for middle East. Now after its failure they must be scrambling for new strategy.

Btw if some one has seen the press release by the state department they might have noticed that it mentioned this coup as an uprising.

You should run and find a toilet, because shit is falling out of your ass.

 

[Alucrid]

if your going to keep posting arrested soldier images with a face then at least also post the atrocities they committed

you mean every one of those soldiers shot and killed civilians?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Why the fuck would America want to start shit in a NATO ally country?

because CIA!

Stupid!

 

[Clockwork5]

America has never liked to deal with democracy in Muslim countries in the past when it wanted to change something. Before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a military coup was successfully implemented in Pakistan, similarly before the American second invasion of Afghanistan again Pakistan was put under military rule and Americans did all the dealing with a single dictator.

So I m sure this coup attempt by Americans was partoff their strategy for middle East. Now after its failure they must be scrambling for new strategy.

Btw if some one has seen the press release by the state department they might have noticed that it mentioned this coup as an uprising.

The statement from the White House called for Turks to support Erdogen.

 

[Stinkles]

The statement from the White House called for Turks to support Erdogen.

Actually the wording has almost universally not used his name but rather "democratically elected government"

America has never liked to deal with democracy in Muslim countries in the past when it wanted to change something. Before Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a military coup was successfully implemented in Pakistan, similarly before the American second invasion of Afghanistan again Pakistan was put under military rule and Americans did all the dealing with a single dictator.

So I m sure this coup attempt by Americans was partoff their strategy for middle East. Now after its failure they must be scrambling for new strategy.

Btw if some one has seen the press release by the state department they might have noticed that it mentioned this coup as an uprising.

This is the dumbest thing I have seen today. Bravo.