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Failed military coup in Turkey; Erdogan promising swift reprisal
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Sadly i'm not, i'm freelancer. I'm thinking to create Patreon soon but this will not save me from this place but some money can do for sure.
Steamroll Turkey? How about no... Win maybe but not steamroll.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
It's an American air base with the joint force agreement and NATO usage and Turkish usage. But it's a US base, on Turkish soil.
have he gone complete nuts? the only reason Russia is not fucking Turkey completely in the ass is because of american protection.
That rumor early in the night that this was a stage coup is starting to look tempting
This statement was issued this morning:
Note that it is explicitly clear who they are supporting.
The original statement (as things were developing and information was unclear) has a tiny but important difference:
Why did that word get added in the morning? Because they knew who won.
Iran held a lot less Americans hostage after their Islamist dictator took control. Just saying.
That backyard thug was already stopping allied ships from entering the waters between Greece and Turkey and stimulated the refugees to move to Greece en mass. Besides, the refugees also need to be send back across the Syrian border.
Because there are more than a million of refugees in Turkey, much more than Greece could ever handle, much more than could ever be controlled properly (and constrained to Greece), all of which would cost much more than 6 billion? Because Europe would rather keep refugees as far away as possible? The idea is to have a "safe haven" outside of EU that they can send the migrants back to.
Thrashinuva
Banned
The US can give into any kind of blackmail. The deciding factor here is whether or not the powers that be feel that "negotiating with terrorists is out of the question".
In which case they have very much proven that the current existing leaders feel that negotiating is always good.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
One of the few times I don't want Obama to comply.
Nikodemos
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Because German politicians are a bunch of stubborn spiteful dumbasses who'd rather stick weasels in their pants than deal fairly with Greece (also, large Turkish community) and the other Euro pols are the most spineless characters since Cow&Chicken's Cousin Boneless.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I think you guys are overreacting to the gamesmanship.
petran79
Banned
Because refugees see Greece as a transit country.
Problem is the 2.5m refugees residing in Turkey under appalling conditions
Greece would be unable to keep such a large amount of people. The refugee camps that have recently been dismantled need not be remembered. Situation in some islands bordering with Turkey is out of control due to refugees.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Depends if you want the politically-correct answer or the roughback.
Either way, either of them would have to do with being nice to a major NATO stronghold 'at the enemy's gates', vs making an 'example' of Greece. 'Don't alienate Turkey, don't cut Greece any slack' has been
Apropos, the same reason UK had been supporting the Ottomans through the very end.
m_shortpants
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People are overreacting to everything right now.
I agree.
Not that I think Russia would actually invade them so I don't think Turkey would actually be much worse off.
That said, I honestly don't think keeping foreign warplanes out of the sky immediately after a coup is an insane request. Nor do I think locking down a foreign army is insane either. It's not great treatment but honestly if I was Commander over there I wouldn't want my personel going out in that environment, I'd keep them on base and I'd keep shit grounded.
But I'd still like to give the boot to Turkey because we're drifting apart and I think defense alliances should be made between like-minded countries.
Nah man, Gulen is not quite an exiled freedom activist. I usually don't like this type of blackmailing practices by stupid morons, but who wants to get dirty for this kind of bs.
Let little Erdogan play Suleyman for a while, then kick his teeth. Does he really think that he can play the refugee card forever. I can come up with at least 3 solutions concerning this issue that will make him look like a complete clown.
Seriously, just stop. The coup wasn't democratically elected. Not sure how that is hard to grasp.
Current situation:
Pro-AKP thugs have been celebrating their "Democracy Festival" after beating the crap out of unarmed soldiers who surrendered. They've been terrorizing (insulting, trashing and trying to run them over in their cars) especially women and boys who don't dress "appropriately."
Pro-AKP thugs have been celebrating their "Democracy Festival" after beating the crap out of unarmed soldiers who surrendered. They've been terrorizing (insulting, trashing and trying to run them over in their cars) especially women and boys who don't dress "appropriately."
Shit man you should let US and Europe know because I am sure they are interested in three solutions to the refugee crisis.
Because of the coup clause and Turkey's unique history. The evening statement was flexible enough to be workable if the coup was victorious. The morning statement was most definitely not.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
A NATO member holding another member's military hostage seems like an act of war, or at least some kind of treaty violation.
RustyNails
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No! Erdogan is a master manipulator who staged this coup in order to get Gulen extradited/amass more power!
Links to the women and boys being mistreated?
That sucks. Even with strong conservative parties and the presence of religion, Turkey has always been very secular and open society.
Green Yoshi
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Tehran 1979 all over again?
Unfortunately there is not much that Obama can do. He should ignore Erdogans comments.
Skellig Gra
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I wouldn't worry too much. Military lives will never be allowed to be used as bargaining chips. Pretty much anyone in the military knows if they are captured they are SOL in terms of negotiations.
ClosingADoor
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I'm glad our leaders take a bit more time to think about these alliances. Turkey has been a NATO ally for over 60 years. You don't just throw that away. They are in a strategic location also, which is much used by NATO.
Erdogan is trouble, but you don't throw away someone from a defensive alliance easily. It's not like Turkey is going to drag us into a war. They contribute to NATO and will keep doing so, giving the others access to their bases which they need at the moment. Letting go of such a strategic ally in the region is very, very shortsighted.
It's not even 24 hours since a coup. As long as they leave the soldiers there alone, there should be no trouble.
We should pressure Turkey to get rid of Erdogan, but not through NATO.
Ignoring a mad man with power is not going to resolve anything.
US needs to get their nukes and personnel the fuck
Out of Turkey and so should the rest of their NATO "allies".
Yup, they need to tell Erdogan to fuck off and keep putting pressure on him, but you don't just drop a country as an ally. Negotiations and diplomacy are a slow, methodolical art. People are reacting like Trump would in here.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Gulen is saying it's possible coup was staged.
Also Obama better tell Erdogan to eat a dick and call his bluff
Also Obama better tell Erdogan to eat a dick and call his bluff
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Get reinforcements to Incirlik, pull out and let them rot.
Maybe Russia can finally have its way with Turkey.
Maybe Russia can finally have its way with Turkey.
Thrashinuva
Banned
I think you'd think people would be overreacting to a nuclear bomb going off.
People are reacting in a manner that befits the situation.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
If Obama doesn't comply, Erdogan can always send civilians against the US troops or something
I don't get this; the US has done a lot to try to rescue military personnel being held hostage. It's always been that way... soldiers are not abandoned like that.
Soyongdori
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But who exactly is left to remove Erdogan? The guy has been dreaming to become a copycat of Putin for such a long time, any oppositions are met with severe punishment.
ClosingADoor
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"Get reinforcements"? And do what?
So you want foreign troops to violate Turkey airspace, drop troops on the ground and force entrance to a Turkish military base?
And then you wish for Russia to attack Turkey or get more influence over them. How does that help anyone?
The own military is still there. The people are still there. If they rise up and want to remove them, it can be done.
Foreign intervention in Turkey is absolutely not something we should wish for at the moment. Certainly not from NATO.
Diplomatically the EU and US can pressure them through things like economic sanctions and such.
Hesemonni
Banned
Sounds like I won't be visiting Turkey anytime soon.
SilentRacoon
Member
Let's not get crazy here, that would be even worse.
You mean like shooting down Russians and such fighting for the same thing we do right now in the same area?
That surely would be stupid.
There's no way you can pressure these people into changing. Not under Erdogan.
it's a nato airbase technically, though it has us nukes in it.
What THE fuck is going on there..
Order 66.
ClosingADoor
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I'm not excusing Erdogans behavior. But the changes people are proposing in this thread are not to be taken lightly.
You do not pressure Erdogan that way, but the people around him. That is diplomacy. And we should always opt for that before military action.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
So considering the events unfolding, I can really only thing of two likely things
1) This was staged
2) This wasn't staged, but Erdogan knew of it and to a degree manipulated or forced the coup's hand to go without having everything in order. So instead of preventing the coup from ever happening, he simply let it unfold because it was doomed to fail.
1) This was staged
2) This wasn't staged, but Erdogan knew of it and to a degree manipulated or forced the coup's hand to go without having everything in order. So instead of preventing the coup from ever happening, he simply let it unfold because it was doomed to fail.
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